Great Balls of Shire Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 8 hours ago, steelman1991 said: O'Donnell must have incriminating pictures of Kettlewell - man's a fuckin imposter get him to fuck. Just back and raging - again. 60 years and defeats like this still hurt. Think you could see the difference when Devine came on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 We could do worse than getting Oakley as an extra striker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 43 minutes ago, Wellsince1976 said: I agree. He needs to be dropped. Bit I don`t think the manager will, as that would definately end any faint hopes he has of a Euro place. So what?! Our league survival is more important than Kelly’s bench-warming summer jolly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 12 minutes ago, Great Balls of Shire said: Think you could see the difference when Devine came on I thought Devine started slowly, being a bit too conservative and staying deep, but he did start to improve. I'd like to see what he can do in 90 minutes. Buyabu looked so far out of his depth when he came on, however. But he was thrown into a shitshow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 4 minutes ago, wellfan said: So what?! Our league survival is more important than Kelly’s bench-warming summer jolly. Exactly. We don’t owe Kelly or the National team anything. We need to do what is best for us as a club, not put ourselves at a disadvantage to help Scotland and our underperforming goalkeeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretzel Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 5 minutes ago, wellfan said: I thought Devine started slowly, being a bit too conservative and staying deep, but he did start to improve. I'd like to see what he can do in 90 minutes. Buyabu looked so far out of his depth when he came on, however. But he was thrown into a shitshow. I'm sure there was one passage of play where Devine drove forward and a gap opened up at the edge of the box and he threaded a nice ball through only for Obika to stand statuesque. We certainly had more forward momentum when he came on. I thought Buyabu done alright, he is really fast and quite early on he flashed a cross right into a danger area. If Kelly goes to the Euros we will some cash so can't see h getting dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 5 minutes ago, pretzel said: If Kelly goes to the Euros we will some cash so can't see h getting dropped. Good point. We’ll need that cash to get us out of the Championship next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 2 hours ago, wellup83 said: That's garbage. The grass might be suffering at home but the surface is still flat. That pitch last night was like the public park, the ball was bobbling all over the shop when we tried to play passes. Just to clarify, I'm not at all blaming the pitch entirely for our lack of performance but it was certainly a contributory factor which suited Morton more than us. I still maintain however that that tie wasn't a game for Miller. You seriously need to go see an optician. Clutching at straws like a few on here. Pitch was fine and better than ours was/is at this moment in time. No excuses Miller was honking but one thing we can agree on this wasn’t the game for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 It was a bad night and Kettlewell got so many things wrong. Tactics, substitutions etc but at same time the players need to have a look at themselves. Kelly for me is one player I wouldn't be bothered about if he doesn't sign a new contract. Another howler last night from him. And if we take up option of another year for Obika then that really would be bonkers. We really need a response against Aberdeen and get back to how we had been playing the previous games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 3 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: We really need a response against Aberdeen and get back to how we had been playing the previous games We do, but do you honestly see it happening? Last night could finally be the straw to break the camel's back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz7 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Like all I'm scunnered with that last night. Big Oakley done some damage to our defence . Miller like others said really struggled with pitch and more importantly the wind as all players struggled to get it down. Their midfield 3 esp 1st half dominated and got ball forward early. I felt when vale came on 57 mins he looked gd and him and bair were in middle in what was 352 but kettlewell panicked and sent on obika 10 mins later and moved those 2 wider which totally killed any momentum that was building and players not knowing what they were doing. The last 20 mins was like a game up park with your pals with players in positions they didn't know. How Nicholson never got on ill never know. Butcher let Oakley run 20 yards into box without a tackle. Kelly standing off his line at inswinging corner. Spittal hitting outswinging corners when wind is with us. All just small things but by God amateur players know not to do those things. I could go on and on but my biggest take is kettlewell picked wrong team (halliday should have been on from start to get stuck in with miller on later) and his subs totally wrecked any cohesion in team. Obika just can't do anything now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 54 minutes ago, robsterwood said: We could do worse than getting Oakley as an extra striker Mentioned that a few weeks ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestwickwell Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 4 hours ago, MelvinBragg said: Aberdeen that lost at Darvel last season? Not suggesting that our result against Morton is acceptable but let's not pretend that we're the only top flight club to lose games against lower league sides, particularly away. Is it sore when it happens to us? Aye, but other clubs do it too... How long did Jim Goodman last after that?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 53 minutes ago, steelman1991 said: You seriously need to go see an optician. Clutching at straws like a few on here. Pitch was fine and better than ours was/is at this moment in time. No excuses Miller was honking but one thing we can agree on this wasn’t the game for him. Totally agree , we commented as soon as we arrived that the pitch was in pretty good nick considering their budget. It was flat plenty grass and perfectly playable, no worse than Fir Park is now. We lost because we were utter shite all over the park. Hoofball right from the off into a strong wind. I seriously wonder about the IQ of your average professional player, after five mins you could see putting the ball in the air was causing us problems but we continued for the entire first half. A big disappointment for me was the usual fuck up when we get a big crowd. Its happened nearly every time in my 46 years of watching our fuck ups. I heard a couple of people saying this was there first Motherwell game in ages and these folk won't be back. This continual fuck up has a drag and detrimental effect on us ever moving our regular crowds above 3500/4000. I can't blame them for not going. I left with twenty five mins to go. I couldn't stomach watching that shite any longer and I've watched them every week for 46 years. If it's doing that to me we have no chance with less committed fans. You can bet there will be a few shocks today and the draw will open up , that is also a regular occurrence every time we get fucked out by lower league opposition. I seriously am questioning why I bother. I was so confident we'd fuck up I stuck money on Morton. We seriously are a fuckin shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 51 minutes ago, gaz7 said: Like all I'm scunnered with that last night. Big Oakley done some damage to our defence . Miller like others said really struggled with pitch and more importantly the wind as all players struggled to get it down. Their midfield 3 esp 1st half dominated and got ball forward early. I felt when vale came on 57 mins he looked gd and him and bair were in middle in what was 352 but kettlewell panicked and sent on obika 10 mins later and moved those 2 wider which totally killed any momentum that was building and players not knowing what they were doing. The last 20 mins was like a game up park with your pals with players in positions they didn't know. How Nicholson never got on ill never know. Butcher let Oakley run 20 yards into box without a tackle. Kelly standing off his line at inswinging corner. Spittal hitting outswinging corners when wind is with us. All just small things but by God amateur players know not to do those things. I could go on and on but my biggest take is kettlewell picked wrong team (halliday should have been on from start to get stuck in with miller on later) and his subs totally wrecked any cohesion in team. Obika just can't do anything now. How can you struggle to get the ball down. It's easy you send a message from your brain to your feet don't put the ball in the air. That's as hard as it gets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 To anyone blaming the pitch for last night's debacle instead of Kettlewell et al., away and fling a bucket of shite at yourselves. It might, at the very least, clear the current shite out of your eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 18 minutes ago, Prestwickwell said: How long did Jim Goodman last after that?? One game, a 6 nil defeat. They'd lost their previous league game 5 nil. Kilmarnock went out to Championship opposition last year. McInnes has been rolled over in the Cup on more than one occasion, as we know. Probably why Aberdeen got rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsince1976 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Firstly, I am not a fan of disposing of managers at the drop of a hat, and I still stick by the manager. HOWEVER, like a few others on here, I was totally dismayed at A/ The team he put out last night(should have been freshened up in my opinion after the 2 previous games in quick succesion) B/ The lack of tactics C/ Some of the subs and "tactics" thereafter were baffling. You can`t get everything right, all of the time, but SK is not helping himself a lot of the time. He has to get the selection and tactics right against Aberdeen. Unfortunately, for me, this means dropping Kelly. He has been average(with the odd great save) for ages now, and Kettlewell must show his managerial teeth by dropping him. I don`t know how good Oxborough is, but there is only one way to find out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 7 minutes ago, Wellsince1976 said: Firstly, I am not a fan of disposing of managers at the drop of a hat, and I still stick by the manager. HOWEVER, like a few others on here, I was totally dismayed at A/ The team he put out last night(should have been freshened up in my opinion after the 2 previous games in quick succesion) B/ The lack of tactics C/ Some of the subs and "tactics" thereafter were baffling. You can`t get everything right, all of the time, but SK is not helping himself a lot of the time. He has to get the selection and tactics right against Aberdeen. Unfortunately, for me, this means dropping Kelly. He has been average(with the odd great save) for ages now, and Kettlewell must show his managerial teeth by dropping him. I don`t know how good Oxborough is, but there is only one way to find out! It's not Kelly's fault he is on the relatively high wage he is on but we need an exceptional player by our standards for that money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz7 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 36 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: How can you struggle to get the ball down. It's easy you send a message from your brain to your feet don't put the ball in the air. That's as hard as it gets Sounds easy but with the wind how it was it makes it difficult. Surely you are aware of that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 42 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: How can you struggle to get the ball down. It's easy you send a message from your brain to your feet don't put the ball in the air. That's as hard as it gets You have to have a big defence to match giant strikers and tough characters to win challenges. If you do that you nullify the opposition and the get the ball down and play the way you want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 14 hours ago, Mortonhallwell said: We weren't going much further in the Cup anyway so getting some decent finance into our skint club would have been very welcome. Financially tonight is a disaster because we will will not receive any further Cup income. Don't really see your logic. Why not hope for a winnable home draw in the next round then face one of those Glasgow clubs in the semis or the final? Surely those are worth more to us financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 2 hours ago, wellfan said: We do, but do you honestly see it happening? Last night could finally be the straw to break the camel's back. I would take a draw just now if offered. We had been doing well before last night. Just need a reset but will be a tough game especially with Miovski up top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmsd Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Great Balls of Shire said: It's not Kelly's fault he is on the relatively high wage he is on but we need an exceptional player by our standards for that money It’s not Kelly’s fault are you blind Kelly hasn’t came off his line in 2 years for a high ball he is useless and that summed him up last night useless needs dropped and hope we don’t sign him for next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Just now, dmsd said: It’s not Kelly’s fault are you blind Kelly hasn’t came off his line in 2 years for a high ball he is useless and that summed him up last night useless needs dropped and hope we don’t sign him for next season Not all keepers come off their line - Gorum is an example . no question Kelly has had poor games and looks devoid of confidence . As poor as he was for the first goal last night the defence were equally poor. The amount of crosses into our box where the opposition won the first and second ball is disgraceful and frankly a key reason we concede so many goals . Someone posted earlier at lack of spine - good keeper , good centre halve, centre mid and forward - we lack all of the above . Butcher looks done as a player - I’d rather bring Casey back in and see if he can regain last seasons form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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