joewarkfanclub Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 8 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Who says the investment from outside sources is 1.5 million? Who says it isnt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 12 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Who says it isnt? I have no idea what it is.. But I'm not in the loop. And no desire to be either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 5 hours ago, bobbybingo said: Problem is, his worth isn't up to us, the buyers will decide that. If he is willing to sign a new contract, fair enough. Otherwise, the clock is already ticking and selling in January would greatly reduce our chances of finding a decent replacement. That’s right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 4 hours ago, grizzlyg said: You ever get the feeling where I wish I hadn't mentioned it!! Cheers Mr Cowan 😜😜 Ba Boom 🤯 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 7 hours ago, grizzlyg said: Same here but no way could we turn down that money if it was true Feed the Bair One of many good goals he has scored for us. Is he worth more than 175k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 Theo will be 25 at the start of next season and only about a third of the way through his career. According to transfer market website his value is €750k (roughly £646k). Salary sport have his salary at £31200 - I’m assuming this is without bonuses. So if they are to be believed £750k isn’t that bad a deal and would mean that for an outlay of probably £50k max, the club would get a return in the region of £700k. Now I’m not saying we sell him but from a financial point of view £750k doesn’t look that bad. Personally, like most of us I’d rather we offered and he accepted a new contract on better terms and continued to develop/improve with the view to selling him for more next summer but to a certain extent that would be a gamble and I could understand selling him if he doesn’t want an extension or if SK and his staff think he can be replaced and have someone lined up. No point in hanging on until the transfer window is about to close and then scrambling about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted April 22 Author Report Share Posted April 22 5 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: There are lots of variable factors but Theo has scored 13 goals and prior to this season had a total of 8 senior goals. That's the main factor I think. Like it or not, clubs down south will be looking at a player like Bair as a punt. They're always going to be asking "yes, he's done that in Scotland against the teams in that league, but can he cut it in the big time down south?" We could keep him for another year. But there's always the risk that he returns to previous form depending on what the team looks like around him next season. Will he be the same player without Spittal in the side? Not sure that's a risk we can take. We ideally need to bring these players in then move them on at a decent profit. Bair would fit the bill in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 4 hours ago, Stuwell2 said: No point in hanging on until the transfer window is about to close and then scrambling about. No manager wants to be scrambling about. The challenge is that every player has an agent telling them to wait until the last minute because a better offer might come along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 12 hours ago, wellgirl said: 750k isn't decent cash. We don't need it that badly At the financial levels we operate at re wages etc £750k would fund possibly 4 or 5 players, so it's very decent cash to a club like ours. And the bigger English clubs know this all too well, it's small change to them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 If Bair continues to improve and score more goals, his goal contribution alone could be worth more than £750K in cup runs and league placing next season. The best-case scenario would be that he signs a one-year extension on improved personal terms until the end of season 2025/26, he performs like a Messi/Haaland hybrid next season, then is sold for 4x that figure next summer. Or we sell him this summer for £750K, spend it on a few English lower-league jobbers, then hope that Moses becomes Messi(ah) next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 38 minutes ago, wellfan said: If Bair continues to improve and score more goals, his goal contribution alone could be worth more than £750K in cup runs and league placing next season. The best-case scenario would be that he signs a one-year extension on improved personal terms until the end of season 2025/26, he performs like a Messi/Haaland hybrid next season, then is sold for 4x that figure next summer. Or we sell him this summer for £750K, spend it on a few English lower-league jobbers, then hope that Moses becomes Messi(ah) next season. Moses is not the Messiah!!....... he's a very naughty boy.........cue.............ba boom......COYW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 27 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Moses is not the Messiah!!....... he's a very naughty boy.........cue.............ba boom......COYW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 8 hours ago, Stuwell2 said: Theo will be 25 at the start of next season and only about a third of the way through his career. According to transfer market website his value is €750k (roughly £646k). Salary sport have his salary at £31200 - I’m assuming this is without bonuses. So if they are to be believed £750k isn’t that bad a deal and would mean that for an outlay of probably £50k max, the club would get a return in the region of £700k. Now I’m not saying we sell him but from a financial point of view £750k doesn’t look that bad. Personally, like most of us I’d rather we offered and he accepted a new contract on better terms and continued to develop/improve with the view to selling him for more next summer but to a certain extent that would be a gamble and I could understand selling him if he doesn’t want an extension or if SK and his staff think he can be replaced and have someone lined up. No point in hanging on until the transfer window is about to close and then scrambling about. 600quid a week? I'd be surprised if that's all he is on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 33 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said: 600quid a week? I'd be surprised if that's all he is on We should offer him best terms we can now. It's not so much a gamble if we keep him either. And he gets us into Europe or further in the cup. He's probably on more than 600 a week yes. Hope he was not on a win bonus as he wouldn't have got much extra. If Kelly leaves Bair can have some of the salary cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, 0Neils40yarder said: 600quid a week? I'd be surprised if that's all he is on Why not? We are by all accounts the third lowest wage budget in the country & Bair was never brought in as an assumed starting 11 man but rather a squad player to work on. And he is young. He will have done well in terms of bonuses but i wouldnt be surprised if he is one of our lower earners (in terms of basic) Saying that, i have no idea what a lower earner at MFC will be on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, 0Neils40yarder said: 600quid a week? I'd be surprised if that's all he is on He won't be on big money...mind no one wanted to touch him including a lot of our fans and he was a " project" ....quite ironic we are now having this thread...won't work out but let's give guys a chance before we write them off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, Big Stall said: Why not? We are by all accounts the third lowest wage budget in the country & Bair was never brought in as an assumed starting 11 man but rather a squad player to work on. And he is young. He will have done well in terms of bonuses but i wouldnt be surprised if he is one of our lower earners (in terms of basic) Saying that, i have no idea what a lower earner at MFC will be on. I think some on here have an unrealistic view of just how much a typical Motherwell player earns. We are now used to describing your average footballers wages in the 10's of thousands etc but for me I think that's fantasy land when discussing Motherwell. There may be 1 or 2 senior players on maybe 2 or 3k a week, but I believe the vast majority of the squad are on significantly lower wages than that so £600 a week may be nearer the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndrew7 Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 13 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: I think some on here have an unrealistic view of just how much a typical Motherwell player earns. We are now used to describing your average footballers wages in the 10's of thousands etc but for me I think that's fantasy land when discussing Motherwell. There may be 1 or 2 senior players on maybe 2 or 3k a week, but I believe the vast majority of the squad are on significantly lower wages than that so £600 a week may be nearer the truth. Aye, I'd be inclined to agree with that. There are a lot more benefits as well; car schemes, accommodation paid for, performance related bonuses etc. so the equivalent "take home" is probably higher as an overall value but not so much in salary terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, Great Balls of Shire said: He won't be on big money...mind no one wanted to touch him including a lot of our fans and he was a " project" ....quite ironic we are now having this thread...won't work out but let's give guys a chance before we write them off It's been said publicly in the press that he's one of our lowest paid players and that he took a drop in wages to come to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 2 hours ago, Spiderpig said: I think some on here have an unrealistic view of just how much a typical Motherwell player earns. We are now used to describing your average footballers wages in the 10's of thousands etc but for me I think that's fantasy land when discussing Motherwell. There may be 1 or 2 senior players on maybe 2 or 3k a week, but I believe the vast majority of the squad are on significantly lower wages than that so £600 a week may be nearer the truth. Boys at Airdrie are on more than 600quid a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 According to Weir we are at roughly 50% of Turnover for player wages so around £3m. We have another £2m in non playing wages. So it's around £58,000 per week on player wages. It's pretty obvious who is being unrealistic here. As far as us having the 3rd lowest wage bill it's doesn't seem likely. Ross County, St Mirren and Killie have both reported lower wage bills than in the last set of accounts. Livi and St Johnstone don't publish full accounts but will be lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 5 minutes ago, steelboy said: According to Weir we are at roughly 50% of Turnover for player wages so around £3m. We have another £2m in non playing wages. So it's around £58,000 per week on player wages. It's pretty obvious who is being unrealistic here. So how much is Bair on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 44 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: So how much is Bair on? Around 2.5k a week according to earlier press reports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 9 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Around 2.5k a week according to earlier press reports That seems really high as I would imagine our top earners would be nearer that, ie. SOD, Slattery, Kelly But again I am just guessing, I don't know any inside info 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, 0Neils40yarder said: Boys at Airdrie are on more than 600quid a week The who gets what per week debate at whatever club etc is pointless as it's all uniformed bullshit guessing from all of us the only people who know for sure are the actual players and the clubs wages department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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