2024/25 Ins & Outs Discussion

[StAndrew7]

To get back to us looking at signings, I worked in Accrington for just shy of 3 years and keep tabs on them as a club, as a few colleagues were fans and I went along to some games.

They've got a winger there called Jack Nolan who I (think) is out of contract in the summer. He's scored 15 goals this year and could be in our price bracket.

I guess it depends on other interest and what system Kettlewell wants to play next year.

[robsterwood]

57 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

They won't get it.

In fairness though, the very fact that he plays for Aberdeen, and before he even kicked a ball, automatically means he's a very good player. That's worth £1-2m alone. 

I agree they won't get it. Also that if old firm sign players they are deemed automatically higher value.

[steelboy]

Miovski's a much player than Bair. He looks like he chucked it after January this season but still turns up against the Old Firm to keep himself in the shop window. 

[robsterwood]

1 hour ago, wellfan97 said:

Aberdeen won't get 8 mil for miovski. 750k is a big amount of money for a club with us maybe with a few more goals to end the season we can get closer to 1 mil but the club aren't going to reject that could sign 4-5 good players with that rather than keep 1.

Still think Bairs worth more keeping him even if it ends up a January deal. He's got pace and composure and is intelligent player. We wouldn't get 4 or 5 players. More like 3. But even then it may be guys like Wilkinson and Ollie Shaw.

[grizzlyg]

40 minutes ago, robsterwood said:

I agree they won't get it. Also that if old firm sign players they are deemed automatically higher value.

Every time a Sellik player plays one game he is automatically valued at £20 million!! 😜😜😜

[well_said]

43 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Every time a Sellik player plays one game he is automatically valued at £20 million!! 😜😜😜

And the Scottish main stream media play a huge part in that.

[Stuwell2]

Rangers were asking around £20M for Morelos but the closest -rumoured- offer was around £10M which they and their fans thought derogatory, I wonder how many now think they should have taken the deal. 
 

On another note a bogeyman I know says Aberdeen have a deal to sell Miovski for £4M and Burrows has done a deal with McMahon to buy Bair for a fiver. 

[bobbybingo]

23 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:

On another note a bogeyman I know says Aberdeen have a deal to sell Miovski for £4M and Burrows has done a deal with McMahon to buy Bair for a fiver. 

Where are we getting the £4million from?

[David]

7 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Surely its acceptable to post that although a players record at his previous club is poor, you are happy to see what the manager can do with him and judge him then.

Or opine that without the full information regarding investment you dont have a position one way or the other?

These are both opinions.

Not everything is black and white.

Of course it's acceptable to have those opinions.

The difference is, it's usually the people who want to wait to see what a manager can do or who want to wait for full information on investment who are the ones telling others to basically shut up. 

There's room for all types of opinions. That's the whole point of this website. We're fans. If we only ever discussed facts or waited until October or November to critique a player then this place would be a ghost town most of the time.

[wellgirl]

10 minutes ago, David said:

Of course it's acceptable to have those opinions.

The difference is, it's usually the people who want to wait to see what a manager can do or who want to wait for full information on investment who are the ones telling others to basically shut up. 

There's room for all types of opinions. That's the whole point of this website. We're fans. If we only ever discussed facts or waited until October or November to critique a player then this place would be a ghost town most of the time.

Personally  I feel quite sorry for Theo because I think the criticism he was getting all over social media was a bit over the top - and at some point I think you get to a point where you wonder if it's going to have a negative effect. 

For me anyway this season all over social media I've seen players and Kettlewell slaughtered really badly. More than I can remember. 

[David]

25 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Personally  I feel quite sorry for Theo because I think the criticism he was getting all over social media was a bit over the top - and at some point I think you get to a point where you wonder if it's going to have a negative effect. 

For me anyway this season all over social media I've seen players and Kettlewell slaughtered really badly. More than I can remember. 

It really comes down to the criticism and how it's delivered. I doubt that Bair would have any issue with anyone calling into question his record before he arrived at Motherwell or people questioning our signing him based on that record. 

If we're honest, it was absolutely honking. He'll likely be the first to admit that. He's not an idiot. He'll know his record wasn't great.

Another key aspect is being critical of the player's performance and his record without getting personal. 

But those same fans who were critical of him are now giving him his due credit, so it works both ways, doesn't it? 

Social media is a cesspool anyway, and any player who reacts to that really needs to sort themselves out. 

Once we step into the stadium, all that criticism should go out the window. It's at that point we support the team and the manager. I don't think booing or hurling abuse from the stands is acceptable.

[Great Balls of Shire]

22 hours ago, wellfan said:

Nicholson hasn’t exactly impressed during his time with us, and I think his contract situation in the States is a little complex, so who knows where that leaves him. He signed a 2.5 year deal until winter 2024 with Colorado Rapids, although he was waived in January which allowed him to sign a short-term deal with us. I'd probably rather have Easton in the Spittal position than Nicholson. 

SN has had limited game time , any time I've seen him, he's looked decent 

[Stuwell2]

3 hours ago, bobbybingo said:

Where are we getting the £4million from?

The bogeyman says it’s from a Nigerian prince, all we have to do is give him all our bank details and he will transfer the money - think he’s worked with Accies before. 

[stv]

10 hours ago, bobbybingo said:

I want a unicorn for my birthday.

If Bair doesn't sign an extension, he goes, before or during next season. 

He owes us for giving him the chance when others, including most on here were very adamant that he was total shite. Let go by St Johnstone doesn't look good on any strikers CV . Scoring only 1 goal, i think, last season not many would have given him that chance. I feel he will have this in mind when making any decision. Manager was absolutley right about him. Sell or keep him its up to SK.

[bobbybingo]

33 minutes ago, stv said:

He owes us for giving him the chance when others, including most on here were very adamant that he was total shite. Let go by St Johnstone doesn't look good on any strikers CV . Scoring only 1 goal, i think, last season not many would have given him that chance. I feel he will have this in mind when making any decision. Manager was absolutley right about him. Sell or keep him its up to SK.

It would be nice to think Bair acknowledges we've kick started his career and he'll sign an extension, if only to up any transfer fee a wee bit. But his goals have helped keep us up in a season where it looked like we were in big trouble, so maybe he feels we're about even. Who knows?

It's pretty certain Kettlewell will want want to keep Bair, but if an offer comes in and the board feel it's good enough, it won't be his decision.

[wellgirl]

15 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

It would be nice to think Bair acknowledges we've kick started his career and he'll sign an extension, if only to up any transfer fee a wee bit. But his goals have helped keep us up in a season where it looked like we were in big trouble, so maybe he feels we're about even. Who knows?

It's pretty certain Kettlewell will want want to keep Bair, but if an offer comes in and the board feel it's good enough, it won't be his decision.

Yeah. He's been an asset 

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 hour ago, stv said:

He owes us for giving him the chance when others, including most on here were very adamant that he was total shite. Let go by St Johnstone doesn't look good on any strikers CV . Scoring only 1 goal, i think, last season not many would have given him that chance. I feel he will have this in mind when making any decision. Manager was absolutley right about him. Sell or keep him its up to SK.

he doesn't owe us anything, we may think he does but the reality is he looks after himself and no one else. Guys like Turnbull and Lennon are the exception to the rule and they tried to look after themselves and the club.

[wellgirl]

10 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

he doesn't owe us anything, we may think he does but the reality is he looks after himself and no one else. Guys like Turnbull and Lennon are the exception to the rule and they tried to look after themselves and the club.

I think it's a bit different re Turnbull and Lennon given the fee Turnbull was sold for and what Lennon will probably go for. And to be fair right now it's just speculation re Theo moving on 

[joewarkfanclub]

2 hours ago, David said:

Of course it's acceptable to have those opinions.

The difference is, it's usually the people who want to wait to see what a manager can do or who want to wait for full information on investment who are the ones telling others to basically shut up. 

There's room for all types of opinions. That's the whole point of this website. We're fans. If we only ever discussed facts or waited until October or November to critique a player then this place would be a ghost town most of the time.

Not sure Ive seen anyone telling another poster to shut up in respect of the investment stuff or indeed opinions of players / the manager.

The ones who tend to be called out are those who are negative about absolutely everything regardless of context.

Ive had some lively debates with your good self and others at times over opinions. But as you yourself said previously, thats what this place is about.

I think we can both agree though that we were both wrong about Bair. But he is better than "semi-pro" level! 😉

 

[FirParkCornerExile]

Just now, wellgirl said:

I think it's a bit different re Turnbull and Lennon given the fee Turnbull was sold for and what Lennon will probably go for. And to be fair right now it's just speculation re Theo moving on 

The fee is immaterial. Neither Turnbull or Lennon needed to sign extended contracts but did so to make sure the club got a payment for their investment. They knew they were / are going and could have left for nothing but chose to help the club . As I said they are exceptions.  Whatever Bair does it is extremely unlikely if he knows he's a wanted man and likely to be leaving that he'd sign an extended contract to ensure Motherwell were taken care of. He, like the vast majority, will when the time comes piss off without so much as a backward glance to the club. Football is full of guys like Chris Cadden..

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 minute ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Not sure Ive seen anyone telling another poster to shut up in respect of the investment stuff or indeed opinions of players / the manager.

The ones who tend to be called out are those who are negative about absolutely everything regardless of context.

Ive had some lively debates with your good self and others at times over opinions. But as you yourself said previously, thats what this place is about.

I think we can both agree though that we were both wrong about Bair. But he is better than "semi-pro" level! 😉

 

There are a number of thoroughly dislikeable folk on here , who cannot debate with anyone with resorting to abuse and insults because you may disagree with them. I just make it clear to these types I will not discuss anything with them and move on. I don't know if there is a block facility of this site but if not it could be worth getting..

[wellgirl]

1 minute ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

The fee is immaterial. Neither Turnbull or Lennon needed to sign extended contracts but did so to make sure the club got a payment for their investment. They knew they were / are going and could have left for nothing but chose to help the club . As I said they are exceptions.  Whatever Bair does it is extremely unlikely if he knows he's a wanted man and likely to be leaving that he'd sign an extended contract to ensure Motherwell were taken care of. He, like the vast majority, will when the time comes piss off without so much as a backward glance to the club. Football is full of guys like Chris Cadden..

To be fair. Lots of players do the same as you say. Like Spittal. We'll get nothing for him. Theo is contracted till the end of 2025 anyway. 

[wellgirl]

Just now, FirParkCornerExile said:

There are a number of thoroughly dislikeable folk on here , who cannot debate with anyone with resorting to abuse and insults because you may disagree with them. I just make it clear to these types I will not discuss anything with them and move on. I don't know if there is a block facility of this site but if not it could be worth getting..

There's an ignore button. 

[FirParkCornerExile]

Just now, wellgirl said:

There's an ignore button. 

Is there I need to find it.

[wellgirl]

1 minute ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Is there I need to find it.

Yeah. Go into your account settings and you can put people on ignore.