Spiderpig Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 6 minutes ago, Mad Dog said: Is Callan Elliot definitely away? Don't remember seeing it on the website. Yes, he's defo off joining a new team in the new Zealand league apparently. Nobody is 100% certain he ever really existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 1 hour ago, Spiderpig said: Yes, he's defo off joining a new team in the new Zealand league apparently. Nobody is 100% certain he ever really existed. If it is Auckland FC he's joining, they'll be competing in the Australian A-League as an expansion team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelllfan Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 Well with the season over I can comfortably say that's probably the worst defensive unit i've seen 3 CS in 38 games is criminal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, thewelllfan said: Well with the season over I can comfortably say that's probably the worst defensive unit i've seen 3 CS in 38 games is criminal Must be the worst I've seen since our relegation in the 1979/79 season. I didn't know this off the top of my head (although I remember it being woeful), but a quick google shows we shipped 86 goals in 36 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 Obviously we have to make the defensive fixes but before we do that.... Our top 6 performers this season in my view. Biereth - already gone Spittal - going Gent - loan, will return to parent club Miller - attracting interest from other clubs Bair - attracting interest from other clubs McGinn - out of contract, turning 34. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 10 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said: Obviously we have to make the defensive fixes but before we do that.... Our top 6 performers this season in my view. Biereth - already gone Spittal - going Gent - loan, will return to parent club Miller - attracting interest from other clubs Bair - attracting interest from other clubs McGinn - out of contract, turning 34. A few others could considered: Spencer - gone; positive outlet once Kettlewelll realised he wasn't a LWB. Davor - under contract; tightened up the DM position, allowing Miller to flourish. Vale - end of loan; introduced tenacity up front until Kettlewell nullified his threat by dropping him too deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 We need 8 new starters. Only Miller, Casey and Bair are good enough to be considered first choices. Blaney, Paton, Davor and Moses are squad players. That's why we need to let McGinn, Slattery, O'Donnell and Halliday go so we can use the wages to bring in the quality we need. We can't keep on passing money away on guys who aren't good enough to start. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 40 minutes ago, wellfan said: A few others could considered: Spencer - gone; positive outlet once Kettlewelll realised he wasn't a LWB. Davor - under contract; tightened up the DM position, allowing Miller to flourish. Vale - end of loan; introduced tenacity up front until Kettlewell nullified his threat by dropping him too deep. Spencer started well but got dragged down by playing out of position. Davor wouldn't get a game for any other team in our league, Livi have three better midfielders than him. His one attempt at playing a forward pass yesterday missed by about 25 yards. Vale hasn't looked like scoring a goal apart from a couple of injury time goals when County and Livi had chucked it. He's a good athlete but not much of a footballer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 20 minutes ago, steelboy said: We need 8 new starters. Only Miller, Casey and Bair are good enough to be considered first choices. Blaney, Paton, Davor and Moses are squad players. That's why we need to let McGinn, Slattery, O'Donnell and Halliday go so we can use the wages to bring in the quality we need. We can't keep on passing money away on guys who aren't good enough to start. I agree overall, but the jury is still out on Moses, for me. You may be right, but its too early to form a definitive conclusion. I'd maybe retain SOD, as experienced back up. McGinn was a steadying influence for much of the season but his form tailed off. At 33 going on 34, his legs won't be a strong as they were this season and he's not going to be of the same standard. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 Hopefully the much awaited release list will be published this week. We don't want to read about too many "Contract offered but awaiting response" entries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretzel Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 Six sub appearances, not even played 90 minutes in total and he has scored twice and assisted with a goal, it would have been two if it weren't for Oli Shaw, but I'm quite pleased with Moses' contribution all things considered. 4 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: Hopefully the much awaited release list will be published this week. We don't want to read about too many "Contract offered but awaiting response" entries. I think that is going to be the case. No offense to the guy but hopefully Obika is on the released list, Butcher and Maguire are the only real names I think that will be concrete. There were rumours of Mugabi heading to Dundee United. Apparently, it's going to be a busy few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 43 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: You may be right, but its too early to form a definitive conclusion. I'd maybe retain SOD, as experienced back up. He was meant to be back up this season and played every game because Kettlewell decided it was the best use of our resources to bring in a guy in his 30s who has broken every bone in his body on a short term deal plus FIVE u21 players on loan at wingback. And the Australian no hoper. So seven short term deals to cover two positions. Genius at work.... Get shot of him and use the money sign someone younger on a two year deal to give us some consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 11 minutes ago, pretzel said: There were rumours of Mugabi heading to Dundee United. Apparently, it's going to be a busy few weeks. Yes, I heard that rumour too, at yesterday's game. Surprised they are interested, frankly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 58 minutes ago, steelboy said: We need 8 new starters. Only Miller, Casey and Bair are good enough to be considered first choices. Blaney, Paton, Davor and Moses are squad players. That's why we need to let McGinn, Slattery, O'Donnell and Halliday go so we can use the wages to bring in the quality we need. We can't keep on passing money away on guys who aren't good enough to start. I mostly agree, but only as Casey hasn't had the best season. He's a solid SPL player and carries a goal threat, so I hope having a proper pre-season this time will help him. I don't see us releasing all 4 of those you suggest. Halliday already has a 1-year deal, unfortunately, and I can see Kettlewell wanting SOD and McGinn. Slattery, however, may well want something different as he recovers. 54 minutes ago, steelboy said: Spencer started well but got dragged down by playing out of position. Davor wouldn't get a game for any other team in our league, Livi have three better midfielders than him. His one attempt at playing a forward pass yesterday missed by about 25 yards. Vale hasn't looked like scoring a goal apart from a couple of injury time goals when County and Livi had chucked it. He's a good athlete but not much of a footballer. Spencer proved he was good enough for us and more, no thanks to Kettlewell. Whilst not a world-beater, Davor did have a hand in our changed fortunes. He's a decent squad player. I think Vale could go on to have a decent career, but probably not at the English Championship level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 18 minutes ago, Happy Dosser said: Yes, I heard that rumour too, at yesterday's game. Surprised they are interested, frankly. If Mugabi ends up at Dundee Utd his agent should win an award for the best con in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 4 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: If Mugabi ends up at Dundee Utd his agent should win an award for the best con in history. 🤣😆🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, steelboy said: We need 8 new starters. Only Miller, Casey and Bair are good enough to be considered first choices. Blaney, Paton, Davor and Moses are squad players. That's why we need to let McGinn, Slattery, O'Donnell and Halliday go so we can use the wages to bring in the quality we need. We can't keep on passing money away on guys who aren't good enough to start. I'd be very surprised if any of the aforementioned players went possibly apart from Slattery who might want to go elsewhere after he recovers. As for Halliday he's been offered a one year deal so to let him go would presumably cost us money. Moses has played 45 mins of football in total. Think it's too early to make a decision about whether he's a squad player or not. I personally think Slattery is a much better player than some of the players you are suggesting we keep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 11 minutes ago, wellgirl said: As for Halliday he's been offered a one year deal so to let him go would presumably cost us money. As someone else has said, he can't have signed a permanent deal as he's still on Hearts' books. There may be a PCA or gentleman's agreement but that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 4 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: As someone else has said, he can't have signed a permanent deal as he's still on Hearts' books. There may be a PCA or gentleman's agreement but that's it. I'd be very surprised if it were a gentlemans agreement. Surely given the fact that other clubs were after him he would want some kind of security. If there was a PCA can Motherwell cancel it? Everything on the Internet re Halliday makes clear that his deal was going to become permanent in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 5 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: As someone else has said, he can't have signed a permanent deal as he's still on Hearts' books. There may be a PCA or gentleman's agreement but that's it. Hopefully Halliday will be a gentleman and agree he is finished at this level. I noticed he didnt make the matchday squad yesterday although there was no mention of him being injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 2 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Hopefully Halliday will be a gentleman and agree he is finished at this level. I noticed he didnt make the matchday squad yesterday although there was no mention of him being injured. He was injured I believe - there was talk of him being a doubt during the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 Just now, wellgirl said: He was injured I believe - there was talk of him being a doubt during the week. Didnt hear Ketts reference it after Hibs and no mention on the matchday squad, although SOD and Casey dropping to the bench were both highlighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 18 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I'd be very surprised if it were a gentlemans agreement. Surely given the fact that other clubs were after him he would want some kind of security. If there was a PCA can Motherwell cancel it? Everything on the Internet re Halliday makes clear that his deal was going to become permanent in the summer. Rikki Lamie's was cancelled when Dundee were last relegated but that may have been a specific relegation clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 5 minutes ago, Mad Dog said: Rikki Lamie's was cancelled when Dundee were last relegated but that may have been a specific relegation clause. I think it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 Was there not also a cancelled PCA spat between Ross County and St Johnstone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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