Mad Dog Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 If The Ox is up to the task then I'm more than happy for him to have a shot at being first choice with a young understudy. Having two goalies on a high wage is a waste in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 Knew I should have delayed my season ticket renewal for another day - Mugabi offered a new deal 🤬. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 35 minutes ago, David said: I wouldn't be 100% sure that the contract situation is all down to Kettlewell. It's rare in this day and age that football managers or coaches are the ones who make the sole decision on player retention, contract offers and so on. It's never really been clarified how much final say Kettlewell has on the player retention or recruitment side of things. There's a CEO involved now, and obviously a Head of Recruitment Operations. I doubt both of them will be sitting on their hands while Kettlewell goes around handing out new deals and sanctioning budget spending. Not sure what your point is here. Surely nobody has been offered a new contract if SK doesnt rate them and wants to move them on? We are talking here about players that have been offered new contracts. Id agree with you that the CEO may not sifn off on a player if SK wanted them but their terms were unreasonable..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 18 minutes ago, steelman1991 said: Knew I should have delayed my season ticket renewal for another day - Mugabi offered a new deal 🤬. Some of our support rate Bevis. I'm not one of them but on reflection I'm not that surprised he's been offered terms (which is the opposite of what I thought an hour ago) 😂 The issue is he's not really progressed that much since he's been with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 9 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Not sure what your point is here. Surely nobody has been offered a new contract if SK doesnt rate them and wants to move them on? We are talking here about players that have been offered new contracts. Id agree with you that the CEO may not sifn off on a player if SK wanted them but their terms were unreasonable..... Agreed. Of course the Head of Recruitment will have a role, but he'll have been working to SK's instructions. Likewise, the CEO will have a technical role in setting the overall budget and checking contract details to ensure they're in line with the club's best interest. However neither should be interfering as such, in SK's team building plans or player recruitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 Now it's confirmed we are wasting tens of thousands if not a 6 figure sum on Andy Halliday anyone at the club or Society who give us any pish about low budgets or shortfalls should be tar and feathered. It's actually funny that they are too feart to announce that they will still be paying Obika next season. McGinn is absolutely done, the idea that he might be here for another two years is mental. Kettlewell is actually thick enough to start with the exact same defence that only kept 3 clean sheets in 41 games. This season he got the good will from his initial KVV led turnaround. That's well and truly gone and if we keep the same shitty form with no Livingston there as a cushion we need to get shot of him at the first opportunity. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 5 minutes ago, steelboy said: Now it's confirmed we are wasting tens of thousands if not a 6 figure sum on Andy Halliday anyone at the club or Society who give us any pish about low budgets or shortfalls should be tar and feathered. It's actually funny that they are too feart to announce that they will still be paying Obika next season. McGinn is absolutely done, the idea that he might be here for another two years is mental. Kettlewell is actually thick enough to start with the exact same defence that only kept 3 clean sheets in 41 games. This season he got the good will from his initial KVV led turnaround. That's well and truly gone and if we keep the same shitty form with no Livingston there as a cushion we need to get shot of him at the first opportunity. Hardly think they are too feart given Obikas contract expires next week. Hallidays terms were all over social media. And McGinn being done is your opinion. You're completely entitled to it. I don't rate Mugabi. Other people do. It's about opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootherwell86 Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 I think I’ll spontaneously combust if Mugabi signs that contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 26 minutes ago, steelboy said: Kettlewell is actually thick enough to start with the exact same defence that only kept 3 clean sheets in 41 games. Even if you ignore the fact that Gent returned to his club and Butcher is gone, even you must have noticed Kelly is moving on - the only man to have started in defence 100% of those games. I also wouldn't be suprised to see Blaney or Casey move on over summer. Under contract today doesn't mean they won't be punted tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 I’m ok with SK signing most of the defence again as he knows them well, but of course, he needs to sign upgraded new players that will be first choice. We need a squad of players not just a first team. Going to be hard enough finding 1 upgraded replacement for each position. So at least keeping current players on board he has a group of players that he knows exactly how they can perform and also they know exactly how SK works 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 Mugabi is a difficult one. Had some great games and some terrible games. Played in some specific roles, with specific tasks he can do well and perhaps he can excel with the right players around him. So I’m not really fussed either way should he stay or go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted May 24 Author Report Share Posted May 24 59 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Not sure what your point is here. My point is that this isn't solely Kettlewell's decision. While he'll have a say, the decision will be a collaborative one, taking into account the opinions of everyone I mentioned. Various factors will be considered, such as the availability of alternatives for that position this summer, the budget, and the costs associated with bringing in someone new compared to keeping someone familiar with the club who the manager believes can improve with different personnel around him. Therefore, calling Kettlewell "a fucking idiot" is unfair, as the final decision won't rest on him alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 9 minutes ago, weeyin said: Even if you ignore the fact that Gent returned to his club and Butcher is gone, even you must have noticed Kelly is moving on - the only man to have started in defence 100% of those games. I also wouldn't be suprised to see Blaney or Casey move on over summer. Under contract today doesn't mean they won't be punted tomorrow. Id personally like to keep Casey. Not had the best season but you could say that about a few of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 If its a choice between Mugabi or Obiley as has been rumoured then Big Bevis gets my vote. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 3 minutes ago, David said: My point is that this isn't solely Kettlewell's decision. While he'll have a say, the decision will be a collaborative one, taking into account the opinions of everyone I mentioned. Various factors will be considered, such as the availability of alternatives for that position this summer, the budget, and the costs associated with bringing in someone new compared to keeping someone familiar with the club who the manager believes can improve with different personnel around him. Therefore, calling Kettlewell "a fucking idiot" is unfair, as the final decision won't rest on him alone. The name calling isn't necessary in my view. We are a long way from August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootherwell86 Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 1 minute ago, santheman said: If its a choice between Mugabi or Obiley as has been rumoured then Big Bevis gets my vote. Alternatively, don’t sign either. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 37 minutes ago, steelboy said: Now it's confirmed we are wasting tens of thousands if not a 6 figure sum on Andy Halliday anyone at the club or Society who give us any pish about low budgets or shortfalls should be tar and feathered. It's actually funny that they are too feart to announce that they will still be paying Obika next season. McGinn is absolutely done, the idea that he might be here for another two years is mental. Kettlewell is actually thick enough to start with the exact same defence that only kept 3 clean sheets in 41 games. This season he got the good will from his initial KVV led turnaround. That's well and truly gone and if we keep the same shitty form with no Livingston there as a cushion we need to get shot of him at the first opportunity. I wouldn't say McGinn was done, been one of our most consistent performers. Still got a role to play. As for Halliday, you don't like him, we get it. I am not convinced either but let's see how next season pans out 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 1 minute ago, weeyin said: Even if you ignore the fact that Gent returned to his club and Butcher is gone, even you must have noticed Kelly is moving on - the only man to have started in defence 100% of those games. Perhaps he is alluding to the fact that the entire defence of last season were good enough to be retained as far as SK is concerned. Kelly, Butcher, McGinn, Mugabi, SOD and Oxborough offered new contracts, Gent retained on loan and Casey and Blaney under contract. Matchday threads would suggest that not many would agree with Kettlewell. Unusual as it is for me agree with Steelboy , that does suggest our Manager was happy with their contribution last season. I find that concerning. I took that to be the point that was being made. Even as back up I would question the merits of retaining several of that list. As a fan, do you think our defence was anywhere near good enough last season? And would you have been happy to continue with all of those players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 12 minutes ago, dennyc said: Perhaps he is alluding to the fact that the entire defence of last season were good enough to be retained as far as SK is concerned. Kelly, Butcher, McGinn, Mugabi, SOD and Oxborough offered new contracts, Gent retained on loan and Casey and Blaney under contract. Matchday threads would suggest that not many would agree with Kettlewell. Unusual as it is for me agree with Steelboy , that does suggest our Manager was happy with their contribution last season. I find that concerning. I took that to be the point that was being made. Even as back up I would question the merits of retaining several of that list. As a fan, do you think our defence was anywhere near good enough last season? And would you have been happy to continue with all of those players? I believe from previous posts Steelboy rates Mugabi. He's part of the same defence that other players are getting pelters for (even if it's deserved). We also surely have no control over what happens to Gent. That's up to the club he's contracted to. Surely it does come down to opinions? Some people rate Casey and Blaney and other people don't. I've seen people on twitter tonight saying they want Bevis signed back up ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 28 minutes ago, dennyc said: Unusual as it is for me agree with Steelboy , that does suggest our Manager was happy with their contribution last season. I find that concerning. I took that to be the point that was being made. Even as back up I would question the merits of retaining several of that list. Good point. Most of us would agree that our defence was poor last season. That also involves the midfield but we'll leave that aside for the time being. SK also commented about this weakness so he knew about it. Presumably coaching was not successful in improving our rearguard. That being the case, I simply cannot comprehend why the defence is being left pretty much as is. The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is the one which Weeyin has proposed; that is some defenders, currently under contract will be shipped out. Quite simply I'm scratching my head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 I personally overthink in every aspect of my entire life. So I'm not going to overthink this. I don't think it's unreasonable to offer terms to players who have been with us a long time. I don't think it's unreasonable to offer Butcher terms either. I said several threads back that I thought he would be.. But theres been no official confirmation of this. Think it's the decent thing to do after the injury. Same with Slattery. The point is. We are a long way from August and I would expect to see a fair few changes between now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 2 hours ago, wellgirl said: I believe from previous posts Steelboy rates Mugabi. He's part of the same defence that other players are getting pelters for (even if it's deserved). We also surely have no control over what happens to Gent. That's up to the club he's contracted to. Surely it does come down to opinions? Some people rate Casey and Blaney and other people don't. I've seen people on twitter tonight saying they want Bevis signed back up ASAP. All valid. But my point....and I think Steelboys's.....is that our Manager decided every single one of our defence last season contributed enough to be retained. Yeah, we may debate the merits of each player and have different opinions. But that defence was simply not good enough so attempting to retain them en masse baffles me. And I say that as someone who rates Kettlewell. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamwell Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 No major shocks. I’m glad Kelly is away, need a big commanding keeper and a proper captain (Casey For me). Reckon we’re about 8 players short as it stands? Keepers, few cbs, defensive mids and some forwards. early days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 ^ save money on the keepers and invest in a couple of competent wingbacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 2 hours ago, David said: My point is that this isn't solely Kettlewell's decision. While he'll have a say, the decision will be a collaborative one, taking into account the opinions of everyone I mentioned. Various factors will be considered, such as the availability of alternatives for that position this summer, the budget, and the costs associated with bringing in someone new compared to keeping someone familiar with the club who the manager believes can improve with different personnel around him. Therefore, calling Kettlewell "a fucking idiot" is unfair, as the final decision won't rest on him alone. So what you're saying is that Daws and Caldwell are also fucking idiots for watching the likes of Mugabi and Butcher this season and thinking that their performances merited a new contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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