joewarkfanclub Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 5 hours ago, steelboy said: @Cameron_Mcd That's hilarious. I came on here I think in March and said he was the worst goalkeeper in the league and people were not having it. Even i didn't think he was that much worse than Shamal George. Â That stat doesnt by itself make him the worst keeper in the league. I accept it doesnt make good reading and Im not sad he has moved on. But you have to also look at the defence each keeper played behind. Our overall defensive record last year was honking. Yes, Kelly had a part to play in that, but it wasnt all him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted October 14 Report Share Posted October 14 There is no doubt at the moment that Ox appears to be an upgrade on Kelly. Taking pressure off the defence by coming for cross balls is a huge benefit. His shot stopping has been pretty decent as well. But one of the things that seems to go unoticed or at least not mentioned is his distribution. I dont recall him kicking the ball out of the park once this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 Good shot stopper is a kindness, all goalies are good shot stoppers, that's why they play there, there are other rudiments for being a keeper that are important, but good shot stopper is where your goalie career starts, who was the last marginal keeper that was not a good shot stopper? Stevie Woods could make saves all day but his awareness and concentration were honking. Is Ox an upgrade? Partially, we upgraded our defenders too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 2 hours ago, Yabba's Turd said: Good shot stopper is a kindness, all goalies are good shot stoppers, that's why they play there, there are other rudiments for being a keeper that are important, but good shot stopper is where your goalie career starts, who was the last marginal keeper that was not a good shot stopper? Stevie Woods could make saves all day but his awareness and concentration were honking. Is Ox an upgrade? Partially, we upgraded our defenders too. Aaron Chapman? 😆😆😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 1 hour ago, joewarkfanclub said: Aaron Chapman? 😆😆😆 Jeez!!!! Nightmare.  This is reason we should be grateful for Kelly as if we hadn't got him on loan we would have been doomed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 10 hours ago, Yabba's Turd said: Good shot stopper is a kindness, all goalies are good shot stoppers, that's why they play there, there are other rudiments for being a keeper that are important, but good shot stopper is where your goalie career starts, who was the last marginal keeper that was not a good shot stopper? Stevie Woods could make saves all day but his awareness and concentration were honking. Is Ox an upgrade? Partially, we upgraded our defenders too. Ox is a big upgrade on Kelly now that we've seen what he can do, which makes it even more annoying that SK stuck with Kelly all of last season, considering the number of points he cost us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackscat Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 9 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: Aaron Chapman? 😆😆😆 Now plying his trade with national league north side Hereford, since leaving us has had about 7 clubs, highest level was Gillingham who got relegated, seems to play about 10 games at most then moved on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 17 hours ago, Yabba's Turd said: Good shot stopper is a kindness, all goalies are good shot stoppers, that's why they play there, there are other rudiments for being a keeper that are important, but good shot stopper is where your goalie career starts, who was the last marginal keeper that was not a good shot stopper? Stevie Woods could make saves all day but his awareness and concentration were honking. Is Ox an upgrade? Partially, we upgraded our defenders too. I can't bring myself to take about Stevie Woods. Would have won the league with a better keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 16 Author Report Share Posted October 16 On 10/14/2024 at 6:06 PM, steelboy said: I came on here I think in March and said he was the worst goalkeeper in the league and people were not having it. Yeah, but you also claimed that numerous other players in our team were "the worst in the league," so you were always going to be correct at some point. A broken clock etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 We certainly had the worst defence in the league, but I'd say the comedy defending antics of Butcher, Blaney, Casey and Mugabi (to name a few) were more responsible for that. Difficult to compare when we were giving up free shots and headers half a dozen times per game. Likewise when Gordon passed the ball to St Mirren and SOD gave away the ball against Hibs, Ox conceded 2 goals. I wouldn't blame him for conceding either one, but that's what Kelly was up against for an entire season. It has a knock-on effect. Defenders are poor, the keeper loses confidence and makes mistakes. The keeper makes mistakes and the defenders lose even more confidence - and so it goes on. That's why I was a proponent of ditching all the central defenders and the keeper in the summer and rebuilding from scratch. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 Ewan Wilson signs a new deal until 2027 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 38 minutes ago, mfc said: Ewan Wilson signs a new deal until 2027 Great news. Is that all our saleable assets tied up? Be nice to get Miller on an extra year extension. But that will fepend very much on the goodwill of the player and his family. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 This is excellent stuff from the club AND the players. I’m sure there’s some wording in there somewhere about a future move and the club willing to be flexible to work with on any reasonable offers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 That’s McGinn out for the foreseeable. I ask again, what the fuck are we doing in training to lead to this amount of soft tissue injuries?! https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2024/10/17/paul-mcginn-to-spend-time-on-sidelines/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 17 Author Report Share Posted October 17 25 minutes ago, wellfan said: I ask again, what the fuck are we doing in training to lead to this amount of soft tissue injuries?! He literally kicked a football. I'm not sure how that could have been avoided. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 1 hour ago, David said: He literally kicked a football. I'm not sure how that could have been avoided. Footballer kicks football. Superb observation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 4 hours ago, texanwellfan said: This is excellent stuff from the club AND the players. I’m sure there’s some wording in there somewhere about a future move and the club willing to be flexible to work with on any reasonable offers. Caldwell setting about this very well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 6 hours ago, wellfan said: That’s McGinn out for the foreseeable. I ask again, what the fuck are we doing in training to lead to this amount of soft tissue injuries?! https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2024/10/17/paul-mcginn-to-spend-time-on-sidelines/ He’s 34 this month . Suspect he’s at the point where he’ll pick up injuries .  I know we’ve picked up lots of training injuries , I put this down to some of the signing of players who are aging or had several injuries . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 Looks like Shaun Rooney is avilable 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 30 minutes ago, steelman1991 said: Looks like Shaun Rooney is avilable 😀 His next job will be with whatever club that wee rodent Si Ferry is at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndrew7 Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 16 minutes ago, wellfan said: His next job will be with whatever club that wee rodent Si Ferry is at. Or end up at Ayr in January; Broony signed him for Fleetwood, I think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 The real question is which ex-Well player will they sign to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 1 hour ago, weeyin said: The real question is which ex-Well player will they sign to replace him. Can josh morris play rwb?🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 2 hours ago, well_said said: Can josh morris play rwb?🤣 Now that is funny!!. A classic Alexander signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 21 Author Report Share Posted October 21 On 10/17/2024 at 5:15 PM, wellfan said: Footballer kicks football. Superb observation. Speak to the manager. It was his "superb observation." It basically shows that you can have the best training plan in the game, and sometimes shit still happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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