2024/25 Ins & Outs Discussion

[Spit_It_Out]

Pretty shocked a really big club hasn't came in for Lennon Miller i mean if we are looking for say 4-5 million thats next to nothing for even the Aston Villas and such of the world.

Surely they have seen enough to say yep get this boy in and we shall get our money back on him at the very least if it doesn't pan out.

[wellup83]

I'd be thrilled if he stayed until the summer tbh. The transfer market has been unusually quiet so far this month but there's a while to go yet. Maybe we'll see a bidding war come the windows close.

[Spit_It_Out]

Would love it if a big Prem club came in for him 4-5 mill plus add ons,we keep him until the end of the season then he goes on his merry way Bobs yer uncle and Fannys yer aunt!

[thewelllfan]

if it's a prem team we should be asking for 6-8m and a sell on clause that's pocket change to them and worth the risk for a player of his potential.

I still suspect he'll go to an Italian team.

[wellfan]

10 hours ago, Stevie73 said:

Whatever money we do get for Miller, would you trust SK with it, just think if he doesn’t change his current formation then it’s time to move on and try something new.

No. I don’t even trust him with the funds Caldwell is giving him this window. 

[fizoxy]

I mean, he signed Bair, Biereth, Furlong, Gent, Spencer, AP, JT, Gordon, Seddon, Kaleta, all if whom seem to be consensus good signings. He has got Miller to this stage, and improved Max and Spittal to the degree that they got good moves. Wilson has flagged lately but it wasn't that long ago we were all raving about him too.  He also got a ridiculous tune out of KVV, and an equally ridiculous fee, but we prob don't want to talk about that one much.

I know he's signed a fair few duds as well, but I'm genuinely interested to see his hit rate compared to other managers, and what other clubs our size have been selling folk for.

[grizzlyg]

9 minutes ago, fizoxy said:

I mean, he signed Bair, Biereth, Furlong, Gent, Spencer, AP, JT, Gordon, Seddon, Kaleta, all if whom seem to be consensus good signings. He has got Miller to this stage, and improved Max and Spittal to the degree that they got good moves. Wilson has flagged lately but it wasn't that long ago we were all raving about him too.  He also got a ridiculous tune out of KVV, and an equally ridiculous fee, but we prob don't want to talk about that one much.

I know he's signed a fair few duds as well, but I'm genuinely interested to see his hit rate compared to other managers, and what other clubs our size have been selling folk for.

Very good point,  who is JT though?

[steelman1991]

15 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Very good point,  who is JT though?

Tawanda Jethro Maswanhise …………I think 

[grizzlyg]

9 minutes ago, steelman1991 said:

Tawanda Jethro Maswanhise …………I think 

Ahhh , I see.   I was thinking we had signed Terry John 🤪

[fizoxy]

14 minutes ago, steelman1991 said:

Tawanda Jethro Maswanhise …………I think 

Yeah, for some reason he goes by JT even though his name is ordered TJ. 

[wellfan]

43 minutes ago, fizoxy said:

I mean, he signed Bair, Biereth, Furlong, Gent, Spencer, AP, JT, Gordon, Seddon, Kaleta, all if whom seem to be consensus good signings. He has got Miller to this stage, and improved Max and Spittal to the degree that they got good moves. Wilson has flagged lately but it wasn't that long ago we were all raving about him too.  He also got a ridiculous tune out of KVV, and an equally ridiculous fee, but we prob don't want to talk about that one much.

I know he's signed a fair few duds as well, but I'm genuinely interested to see his hit rate compared to other managers, and what other clubs our size have been selling folk for.

He's signed 34 players for Motherwell. There are 36 on the list but Halliday and Vale were both signed twice. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/stuart-kettlewell/spielertransfers/trainer/36838/plus/0/galerie/0?station_id=422489

Some decent, some great, some average, some crap, and some complete flops. 

Edited 22 hours ago by wellfan
34, not 36.

[grizzlyg]

2 minutes ago, wellfan said:

He's signed 36 players for Motherwell. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/stuart-kettlewell/spielertransfers/trainer/36838/plus/0/galerie/0?station_id=422489

Some decent, some great, some average, some crap, and some complete flops. 

And some injured......permanently...ie. obika...soaure and callachan

[grizzlyg]

Forgot about Adam Montgomery.  Worth going for him again? He looked good until he got injured 

[Wellfan91]

1 hour ago, fizoxy said:

I mean, he signed Bair, Biereth, Furlong, Gent, Spencer, AP, JT, Gordon, Seddon, Kaleta, all if whom seem to be consensus good signings. He has got Miller to this stage, and improved Max and Spittal to the degree that they got good moves. Wilson has flagged lately but it wasn't that long ago we were all raving about him too.  He also got a ridiculous tune out of KVV, and an equally ridiculous fee, but we prob don't want to talk about that one much.

I know he's signed a fair few duds as well, but I'm genuinely interested to see his hit rate compared to other managers, and what other clubs our size have been selling folk for.

Exactly this!!! You also missed out Kelly moving to Rangers albeit most would agree that was an incredible move based on his performances last season however you've got to credit him for this, incredible effort on a shoestring budget. Begs the question why as a club we are not approaching an Arsenal, Spurs, Man Utd etc and asking them for a loan agreement.....

[Kmcalpin]

I suspect we'll receive something like £3.5 - 4m for young Miller. Time will tell. 

[mio]

10 hours ago, wellfan said:

He's signed 34 players for Motherwell. There are 36 on the list but Halliday and Vale were both signed twice. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/stuart-kettlewell/spielertransfers/trainer/36838/plus/0/galerie/0?station_id=422489

Some decent, some great, some average, some crap, and some complete flops. 

I wish we could go back and have stats like this for when Tommy McLean was our manager. A list of signed players made by him would have made your eyes bleed and send this forum into a frenzy.

i suppose for every hundred duffers he got a Cooper right enough.

[Richie]

As well as Eintracht Frankfurt, a few Italian acciunts suggesting Torino looking at him.

[wellfan]

2 hours ago, mio said:

I wish we could go back and have stats like this for when Tommy McLean was our manager. A list of signed players made by him would have made your eyes bleed and send this forum into a frenzy.

i suppose for every hundred duffers he got a Cooper right enough.

Super Cooper!

[wellsince75]

26 minutes ago, wellfan said:

Super Cooper!

not sure we'd sign him if that opportunity came up as we ignore wingers. 

Poor Davy if he did get signed would be put into a wingback position and get dropped for not tracking back enough 
 

[mio]

1 minute ago, wellsince75 said:

not sure we'd sign him if that opportunity came up as we ignore wingers. 

Poor Davy if he did get signed would be put into a wingback position and get dropped for not tracking back enough 
 

In today’s game they probably wouldn’t play him as he didn’t run 10k during a game. Halliday gets away with it as he jogs 10k around the centre circle in 90mins.

cooper would run about 1km during a match but create about 40 goal scoring chances. Magnificent player.

[Mad Dog]

I just hope that he doesn't take the lazy option like Turnbull did. He had at least one other option in Norwich which would have challenged him and he would have had a familiar face in Kenny McLean to mentor him. Hopefully Miller will look at how well Max is doing.

[mio]

38 minutes ago, Mad Dog said:

I just hope that he doesn't take the lazy option like Turnbull did. He had at least one other option in Norwich which would have challenged him and he would have had a familiar face in Kenny McLean to mentor him. Hopefully Miller will look at how well Max is doing.

I do know what you sort of mean with Turnbull but let’s be fair, he went to them and won 2 titles, 2 Scottish cups and 2 league cups and also played in an environment which demanded winning on a weekly basis, playing in front of 60000 people and regular champions league matches.  He wouldn’t have got that at Norwich.

hes been very unlucky with injuries(as seems to be the case at the moment as well) if it wasn’t for injuries im sure he’d have been in a better place just now and still be around the Scotland squad.

[Mad Dog]

43 minutes ago, mio said:

I do know what you sort of mean with Turnbull but let’s be fair, he went to them and won 2 titles, 2 Scottish cups and 2 league cups and also played in an environment which demanded winning on a weekly basis, playing in front of 60000 people and regular champions league matches.  He wouldn’t have got that at Norwich.

hes been very unlucky with injuries(as seems to be the case at the moment as well) if it wasn’t for injuries im sure he’d have been in a better place just now and still be around the Scotland squad.

Lewis Ferguson might win nothing in his career but he's playing every week in Serie A against some of the best players in the world and is team captain.

[weeyin]

47 minutes ago, Mad Dog said:

Lewis Ferguson might win nothing in his career but he's playing every week in Serie A against some of the best players in the world and is team captain.

Ultimately, it's down to what motivates individual players - and even that might change at different stages of a career.

If I had the talent, I'd be very much in the Lewis Ferguson camp, getting as much as I could from living and playing in Italy.

I can see, however, how a diehard Celtic fan would be attracted to playing for them early in their career and winning leagues or trophies with their boyhood heroes.

It's been great to see Scottish players thrive abroad in recent times. For a long time, many were following the "big move south - quiet move back north" career development plan.

 

 

 

[texanwellfan]

1 hour ago, mio said:

I do know what you sort of mean with Turnbull but let’s be fair, he went to them and won 2 titles, 2 Scottish cups and 2 league cups and also played in an environment which demanded winning on a weekly basis, playing in front of 60000 people and regular champions league matches.  He wouldn’t have got that at Norwich.

hes been very unlucky with injuries(as seems to be the case at the moment as well) if it wasn’t for injuries im sure he’d have been in a better place just now and still be around the Scotland squad.

Maybe not right away if he went to Norwich but possibly after a year or two and with a bigger better club than Celtic but we’ll never know now.