2024/25 Ins & Outs Discussion

[fizoxy]

Can definitely see a number going out. As per my post at the start of the week, we generally make signings on a one in one out basis, with most of this year's outs being injuries, of which we have 9, and 10 if the Vale rumor is true (and add the likes of Slattery and Nicholson on limited minutes due to injuries).

Callachan, Watt, Tavares, Vale, Moses seem like candidates to go. Miller potentially for other reasons. Can't see mair hanging around with his broken hand either.

Can definitely see a number going out. As per my post at the start of the week, we generally make signings on a one in one out basis, with most of this year's outs being injuries, of which we have 9 (10 if the Vale rumor is true), and add the likes of Slattery, Paton and Nicholson on limited minutes due to injuries.

Callachan, Watt, Tavares, Vale, Moses seem like candidates to go. Miller potentially for other reasons. 

So, out of the 33 we have, 10 aren't available, some for a considerable time. With 9 on the bench you need 20 for a matchday squad, so we're sitting at a surplus of 3 available players. Two of whom are Moses and Koutroumbis. 

If we want the much mooted squad of 23, then tomorrow we'd have 2 subs and making the rest up with kids. 

On the strikers, we signed Stuparevic, Robinson and Stama. Two of those are injured and one isn't up to scratch and was sent out on loan (whether that changes next season, who knows). Watt is clearly done, and Moses is a chaos sub at best. Tavares is injured and Vale is suspended and maybe injured too.  Before we signed armstrong we had Watt, Moses and JT available. Not giving us any options on the bench. Of the three that have come in, 2 have replaced Stama and Robinson. The third suggests someone is off.

Signing Stuparevic, Koutroumbis, Callachan and Tavares all seem like legit mistakes, the first two are just how it goes, the other two are plain dumb. Also, I doubt we're keeping mair with his broken hand.

So, out of the 33 we have, 10 aren't available, some for a considerable time. With 9 on the bench you need 20 for a matchday squad, so we're sitting at a surplus of 3. Two of the squad are on limited minutes, and two are Moses and Koutroumbis. 

If we want the much mooted squad of 23, then tomorrow we'd have 2 first team subs and making the rest up with kids.  

On the strikers, we signed Stuparevic, Robinson and Stama. Two of those are injured and one isn't up to scratch and was sent out on loan (whether that changes next season, who knows). Watt is clearly done, and Moses is a chaos sub at best. Tavares is injured and Vale is suspended and maybe injured too.  Before we signed armstrong we had Watt, Moses and JT available. Not giving us any options on the bench. Of the three that have come in, 2 have replaced Stama and Robinson. The third suggests someone is off.

Signing Stuparevic, Koutroumbis, Callachan and Tavares all seem like legit mistakes, the first two are just how it goes, the other two are plain dumb. Balcombe also doesn't look great.

If we sign any more forwards by Monday (unless 2 go out), I'd say logic is out of the window, but you can't always sign the players you need in the perfect order. Hopefully a midfielder that isn't a child is one of the remaining signings.

Why we don't have any young players that can step up, or why we aren't using them, is it's own discussion.

[grizzlyg]

3 hours ago, Villageman said:

I could also say we are being very forward looking  but if Grizzly is reading this he might be worried about redundancy. It is way beyond ridiculous. The new manager going to have to use pen and paper to remember all of them.

Eh?

[santheman]

Rumours of another 2 coming in on Monday too.

[well_said]

6 hours ago, Mccus28 said:

At least we can go full attack and play 10 up front

Our tribute to jimmy calderwood.

[stv]

49 minutes ago, fizoxy said:

Can definitely see a number going out. As per my post at the start of the week, we generally make signings on a one in one out basis, with most of this year's outs being injuries, of which we have 9, and 10 if the Vale rumor is true (and add the likes of Slattery and Nicholson on limited minutes due to injuries).

Callachan, Watt, Tavares, Vale, Moses seem like candidates to go. Miller potentially for other reasons. Can't see mair hanging around with his broken hand either.

Can definitely see a number going out. As per my post at the start of the week, we generally make signings on a one in one out basis, with most of this year's outs being injuries, of which we have 9 (10 if the Vale rumor is true), and add the likes of Slattery, Paton and Nicholson on limited minutes due to injuries.

Callachan, Watt, Tavares, Vale, Moses seem like candidates to go. Miller potentially for other reasons. 

So, out of the 33 we have, 10 aren't available, some for a considerable time. With 9 on the bench you need 20 for a matchday squad, so we're sitting at a surplus of 3 available players. Two of whom are Moses and Koutroumbis. 

If we want the much mooted squad of 23, then tomorrow we'd have 2 subs and making the rest up with kids. 

On the strikers, we signed Stuparevic, Robinson and Stama. Two of those are injured and one isn't up to scratch and was sent out on loan (whether that changes next season, who knows). Watt is clearly done, and Moses is a chaos sub at best. Tavares is injured and Vale is suspended and maybe injured too.  Before we signed armstrong we had Watt, Moses and JT available. Not giving us any options on the bench. Of the three that have come in, 2 have replaced Stama and Robinson. The third suggests someone is off.

Signing Stuparevic, Koutroumbis, Callachan and Tavares all seem like legit mistakes, the first two are just how it goes, the other two are plain dumb. Also, I doubt we're keeping mair with his broken hand.

So, out of the 33 we have, 10 aren't available, some for a considerable time. With 9 on the bench you need 20 for a matchday squad, so we're sitting at a surplus of 3. Two of the squad are on limited minutes, and two are Moses and Koutroumbis. 

If we want the much mooted squad of 23, then tomorrow we'd have 2 first team subs and making the rest up with kids.  

On the strikers, we signed Stuparevic, Robinson and Stama. Two of those are injured and one isn't up to scratch and was sent out on loan (whether that changes next season, who knows). Watt is clearly done, and Moses is a chaos sub at best. Tavares is injured and Vale is suspended and maybe injured too.  Before we signed armstrong we had Watt, Moses and JT available. Not giving us any options on the bench. Of the three that have come in, 2 have replaced Stama and Robinson. The third suggests someone is off.

Signing Stuparevic, Koutroumbis, Callachan and Tavares all seem like legit mistakes, the first two are just how it goes, the other two are plain dumb. Balcombe also doesn't look great.

If we sign any more forwards by Monday (unless 2 go out), I'd say logic is out of the window, but you can't always sign the players you need in the perfect order. Hopefully a midfielder that isn't a child is one of the remaining signings.

Why we don't have any young players that can step up, or why we aren't using them, is it's own discussion.

Can i have two pints of what your on please . 🍻 

[Stuwell2]

1 hour ago, stv said:

Can i have two pints of what your on please . 🍻 

Listen, he will say this only once…or twice….or maybe even a third time - copy, paste, repeat

[fizoxy]

Well everyone is spouting the unbelievable 33 man squad pish, so I'll keep going.

[thewelllfan]

11 hours ago, santheman said:

Rumours of another 2 coming in on Monday too.

I still think we probably still need another 4

Another Cm, Cb, Bu Gk, and a winger are needed if we want to stake a claim for top 6.

Callahan, Koutrombis, Ebiye, Davor all need sold/loaned out.

Taveres needs sent back to his parent club as does Mair who's broke his finger and out for 6/8 weeks.

We have Robinson and Mcginn out for the season so that's us down to 31 that can be available for selection anyway.

Seddon, Miller, Stam all out for at least another 1-2 months

Ox out for 3 months.

Current crop available for selection

Gk- Balcombe, Connoly

Cb- Balmer, Gordon, Casey, Blaney, SOD

Rwb- Kaleta, SOD, Koutrombis

Lwb- Wilson. Thompson

Cm- Halliday, Andrews, Paton, Sparrow, Slattery, Nicholson, Davor

Fwds- Dickson, Plange, TJ, Watt, Ebiye, Armstrong, Vale (Once suspension finishes)

Those 24 to pick from currently w Vale to add back in. That to me looks weak and forward heavy. Top 6 would be huge for cost off-setting as would getting into Europe. Majority being loans is also ideal as it means we can actually squad build from scratch next season and aren't stuck with players the new manager doesn't want long-term.

[Kmcalpin]

Archie Mair loan cut short due to injury. We're looking at Cove's keeper and have made a bid  which was rejected. Matty Connelly obviously not fancied ( so why was he re-signed). I'm expecting some moves  both in and out tomorrow. 

[Mccus28]

The media at it again for clicks...................first thing you see this morning 

"WELL ON HIS WAY? Celtic weighing up sensational deadline day swoop for Motherwell won"

 

Its so cringeworthy, the media up here are toe curling.

Miller will surely have his head screwed on and see how Celtic basically ruined Turnbull and others.

I dont know why anyone with options, would choose any of the Old Firm and the goldfish bowl that they are!!!!!!!!!

[wellfan97]

9 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

Archie Mair loan cut short due to injury. We're looking at Cove's keeper and have made a bid  which was rejected. Matty Connelly obviously not fancied ( so why was he re-signed). I'm expecting some moves  both in and out tomorrow. 

Suman is a good keeper would be a quality challenge to Ox next season. If we don't get him now then surely we get him on a PCA although the new manager could change that. 

[robsterwood]

1 hour ago, Mccus28 said:

The media at it again for clicks...................first thing you see this morning 

"WELL ON HIS WAY? Celtic weighing up sensational deadline day swoop for Motherwell won"

 

Its so cringeworthy, the media up here are toe curling.

Miller will surely have his head screwed on and see how Celtic basically ruined Turnbull and others.

I dont know why anyone with options, would choose any of the Old Firm and the goldfish bowl that they are!!!!!!!!!

Anyone but septic or rancid rangers. He's better than that.

[Kmcalpin]

I don't mind where he goes as long as the price is right and the lad himself is happy with the move.  I assume that we will have a figure a mind and if a club meets that then its over to the lad. My only concern is the timing. I'd be tempted to bump up our asking price a wee bit, if the lad agrees, to compensate. IF true, its a good move by Celtic, as they'll view us as being currently managerless and vulnerable, like a crab temporarily without a shell.

If the club knows of other interest and expects another better bid then I'd hold off, again only if the lad agrees.

Celtic could easily have made a bid some weeks ago.

[El Grew]

18 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

I don't mind where he goes as long as the price is right and the lad himself is happy with the move.  I assume that we will have a figure a mind and if a club meets that then its over to the lad. My only concern is the timing. I'd be tempted to bump up our asking price a wee bit, if the lad agrees, to compensate. IF true, its a good move by Celtic, as they'll view us as being currently managerless and vulnerable, like a crab temporarily without a shell.

If the club knows of other interest and expects another better bid then I'd hold off, again only if the lad agrees.

Celtic could easily have made a bid some weeks ago.

As per the OF usual modus operandi, they’ll be trying to get him by offering the least amount they think they can get away with. Tell them the asking price starts at £4M cash; no player swaps or instalment crap and that it’s non-negotiable!

[Kmcalpin]

16 minutes ago, El Grew said:

As per the OF usual modus operandi, they’ll be trying to get him by offering the least amount they think they can get away with. Tell them the asking price starts at £4M cash; no player swaps or instalment crap and that it’s non-negotiable!

100% agree. If they still wanted him they'd offer £4 million and a penny. If our asking price is say £4 then tell them not to bother contacting us again unless they can meet that price, or more if another bid comes in. 

[joewarkfanclub]

1 hour ago, El Grew said:

As per the OF usual modus operandi, they’ll be trying to get him by offering the least amount they think they can get away with. Tell them the asking price starts at £4M cash; no player swaps or instalment crap and that it’s non-negotiable!

If they come in last minute, then this is absolutely what they are doing.

Id take £4m up front plus Luke McCowan though! 😉

[mothman]

Not sure where the £4m price tag for Miller has materialised from, but I think the club should be asking more than this if true, given his talent, age and with 1.5 years left of current contract. Also agree with others that if/when he does eventually depart, would obviously hate to see him end up at either of the bigot bros.

[Spit_It_Out]

The board needs to hold nerve with Miller no need to shit the bed this transfer window.

Personally we might get a manager that takes him to another level so no point in selling right now.

 

[Spiderpig]

7 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said:

The board needs to hold nerve with Miller no need to shit the bed this transfer window.

Personally we might get a manager that takes him to another level so no point in selling right now.

 

Spot on he'll be a major boost for us when he's back fit, plus it's never a good idea to sell your best players to rival teams in the same league, especially the ugly sisters. 

I hope when he eventually moves on it is down south or Europe as that will benefit his future career. 

[joewarkfanclub]

All good points.

Hopefully Celtic are not the only bidder and the clubs resolve does not require to be put to the test as we AND the player will have better options!

[FirParkCornerExile]

5 hours ago, Mccus28 said:

The media at it again for clicks...................first thing you see this morning 

"WELL ON HIS WAY? Celtic weighing up sensational deadline day swoop for Motherwell won"

 

Its so cringeworthy, the media up here are toe curling.

Miller will surely have his head screwed on and see how Celtic basically ruined Turnbull and others.

I dont know why anyone with options, would choose any of the Old Firm and the goldfish bowl that they are!!!!!!!!!

Id love to know what is sensational about it , if its true. They can afford him and its a transfer window , where is the sensation.

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 hour ago, Spit_It_Out said:

The board needs to hold nerve with Miller no need to shit the bed this transfer window.

Personally we might get a manager that takes him to another level so no point in selling right now.

 

There are other factors too. With less time on his contract the price may well decline a bit. Furthermore if we end up Championship bound our desperation for cash will not put us in a strong bargaining position. Id say strike while the irons hot and IMO that is now. Others scenarios are equally possible, just my opinion.

[well_said]

21 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Id love to know what is sensational about it , if its true. They can afford him and its a transfer window , where is the sensation.

Scottish media are a joke.

[mfc]

29 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Id love to know what is sensational about it , if its true. They can afford him and its a transfer window , where is the sensation.

Aye I had to laugh when I seen that,there's nothing sensational about it,it was the same the other day celtic were planning a stunning swoop for a guy that can't get a game for seville that rodgers had at leicester.the media in this country love to go overboard at any mention of the old firm.

[Spit_It_Out]

I tell you one things for sure we need to spend some of the money we do get and spend it properly on some bits of quality cause that's the difference in this league.

Not just fritter it away on a ton of loans that won't reap us anything we need to invest at least 1 million on a few bits of quality we can make better and sell on.

Once Miller goes we have a huge void so we shall need to spend to progress.