2024/25 Ins & Outs Discussion

[Mootherwell86]

Good signing.

[Kmcalpin]

Dundee Courier report.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-fc/5163665/jordan-mcghee-dundee-exit-january-transfer-window/

 

[wellon]

17 hours ago, grizzlyg said:

He hasn't been great recently,  I just feel he gets a lot of stick.  Casey makes a lot of mistakes also but seems to escape criticism a lot if the time 

I feel in a Motherwell shirt, he has been poor,  not just lately.

Hes not great defensively and not great delivery for a full back...he's probably one of the better paid players which might be why some fans have an issue....Casey seems more whole hearted which might be in his favour

[joewarkfanclub]

SOD has struggled to display his best football for us for a variety of reasons.

This season he looked like a new player. Slimmer, quicker and putting in some really good performances.

I was delighted for him as I think THAT SOD, together with his offield attributes, shows enough on the pitch to make him a useful squad member.

Then he got injured. Unfortunately since his return we got the old SOD back.

Hopefully, its just being thrown back into a team that is now underperforming and he can recover his early season form.

[Ya Bezzer!]

Remember Jordan McGhee scoring a free kick against us in the Youth Cup Final.

[pretzel]

Scott Burns reporting that we want to sign Luke Armstrong on loan from Carlisle United. 

[wellsince75]

32 minutes ago, pretzel said:

Scott Burns reporting that we want to sign Luke Armstrong on loan from Carlisle United. 

I hope not .

im struggling to see why we need another striker , particularly one who struggled in league 2 and found his level in the national league .

I’ve lost count of the number of journeymen who have been at several clubs in the lower English national leagues that have churned through .

At this stage of the season would much prefer we went for loanee players and give promising youngsters a chance 

[joewarkfanclub]

36 minutes ago, pretzel said:

Scott Burns reporting that we want to sign Luke Armstrong on loan from Carlisle United. 

6ft target man scores 1 in every 3 games. Seems the right profile.

[andalg]

37 minutes ago, pretzel said:

Scott Burns reporting that we want to sign Luke Armstrong on loan from Carlisle United. 

I almost bumped into him in a train at beginning of season and remember thinking it was a good job I hadn't actually bumped into him as, by the looks of him, it could have put him out for the season.  Hopefully he's in better shape now 😃

[joewarkfanclub]

2 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:

I hope not .

im struggling to see why we need another striker , particularly one who struggled in league 2 and found his level in the national league .

I’ve lost count of the number of journeymen who have been at several clubs in the lower English national leagues that have churned through .

At this stage of the season would much prefer we went for loanee players and give promising youngsters a chance 

Not every loanee can be the quality of Mika Biereth. Much as I would love us to unearth another one like him. All depends on who is available.

Folks have been shouting for a big target man to allow us to be more productive the way we are playing.

Given the injuries and the continuing inability to field a functioning midfield, I dont think he would be the worst signing on a loan deal.

Has heavy Ryan Bowman vibes.

[wellsince75]

16 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Not every loanee can be the quality of Mika Biereth. Much as I would love us to unearth another one like him. All depends on who is available.

Folks have been shouting for a big target man to allow us to be more productive the way we are playing.

Given the injuries and the continuing inability to field a functioning midfield, I dont think he would be the worst signing on a loan deal.

Has heavy Ryan Bowman vibes.

Bowman is pretty much what I was thinking and appreciate the big man worked hard. 

What I find disheartening is the solution to fixing midfield seems to fall to ignoring the midfield and getting a big man to punt the ball up to. 

Each to their own, SK favours physical and work rate over guile/finesse.  

[joewarkfanclub]

20 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:

Bowman is pretty much what I was thinking and appreciate the big man worked hard. 

What I find disheartening is the solution to fixing midfield seems to fall to ignoring the midfield and getting a big man to punt the ball up to. 

Each to their own, SK favours physical and work rate over guile/finesse.  

Does he really though?

Last seasons midfield was Spittal, Miller, Paton and Slattery. He then signed Nicholson in the window when Slattery was injured. Bair was a big boy, but not your traditional target man until he worked out how to better use his physicality.

Was the same in the van Veen season.

I see the current style of play as a means to an end because our entire midfield was basically injured at the start of the season. I had expected it to improve by now but further injuries have conspired against us.

If Armstrong is a target man, I think it makes direct football a better option, but I would hope we are looking at doing more business than that now with Seddon, McGinn, Ox, Miller and Stama all still out......

[Spit_It_Out]

If he is anything like a Ryan Bowman then that shall do he nicely cause we need someone up top that has a chance to do something with the hoofball.

I do think the wings need to be addressed think the wingbacks have been so poor at getting up and putting the ball in not really consistant enough.

Just wish he would go 442 at this stage get some wingers in to get us over the line for top 6.

 

[mfc]

Armstrong is as tall as watt and vale so surely we won't be bringing him in to play as a target man,he might be physically stronger and can mix it that way but if the plan is to keep playing the long ball most of the time then it's pointless bringing in another player at 6 foot.

[wellfan]

Everyone keep calm, Kettlewell knows what he’s doing. 

[David]

1 hour ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Does he really though?

Last seasons midfield was Spittal, Miller, Paton and Slattery. He then signed Nicholson in the window when Slattery was injured. Bair was a big boy, but not your traditional target man until he worked out how to better use his physicality.

Was the same in the van Veen season.

I see the current style of play as a means to an end because our entire midfield was basically injured at the start of the season. I had expected it to improve by now but further injuries have conspired against us.

That’s an excellent point.

We should also consider that the pool of available midfielders in January is likely to be quite limited, especially for a club that can’t afford to spend millions or offer substantial wages. Additionally, as Joe mentioned, we’ve got a few midfielders currently sidelined with injuries who are expected to return at various points this season.

The key question is: what’s the standard of midfielders available right now in the January window? Is the quality we need even out there? Furthermore, among those who meet the required standard, how many would actually be keen to join a club where competition for places could become very intense once others regain fitness? Many larger clubs insist on guaranteed game time for players they send out on loan, which may complicate matters. I suspect this is why West Ham recalled Hegyi.

There are a lot of variables to consider, and I believe our style of play and formation are heavily influenced by the players we have fit and ready for selection.

[MelvinBragg]

2 hours ago, Spit_It_Out said:

Just wish he would go 442 at this stage get some wingers in to get us over the line for top 6.

 

Just wish people would realise playing two centre midfielders in a 442 is suicide these days...

[wunderwell]

17 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

Well Wunderwell was proven right after all. Credit to him. 

Can a deal he struck to bring McGhee to Fir Park this month? 

Cheers mate thanks for the kudos

arriving to play DCM 

maybe a better description from me would have been utility player 

ThisGraeme over on P&B got it in one guess 

[Kmcalpin]

4 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:

I see the current style of play as a means to an end because our entire midfield was basically injured at the start of the season. I had expected it to improve by now but further injuries have conspired against us.

If Armstrong is a target man, I think it makes direct football a better option, but I would hope we are looking at doing more business than that now with Seddon, McGinn, Ox, Miller and Stama all still out......

Yes, maybe this explains why SK didn't sign an out and out target man in the summer. It seemed weird at the time given our style of play this season. Individuals aside, bringing ina target man makes sense.

I don't know about budget, but from a playing perspective we need cover at goalkeeper, left wingback, defensive midfield (McGhee?) and target man. 

[smiddy]

7 hours ago, wellfan said:

Everyone keep calm, Kettlewell knows what he’s doing. 

Does he though ? 
if arsenal though we inproved beteith

then why havent they loaned us someone else ??

HOOFBALL !

[wellfan]

9 minutes ago, smiddy said:

Does he though ? 
if arsenal though we inproved beteith

then why havent they loaned us someone else ??

HOOFBALL !

I was being sarcastic. Don’t you know that I’m Kettlewell’s number one fan?! 

[smiddy]

1 hour ago, wellfan said:

I was being sarcastic. Don’t you know that I’m Kettlewell’s number one fan?! 

I know you are 

but i was asking a decent question 

if  SK developed bereith the way he talks that he/ we did 

then why havent arsenal loaned us any more “ promising young players to develop “ ?

answer is     HOOFBALL 

 

[wellfan]

1 hour ago, smiddy said:

I know you are 

but i was asking a decent question 

if  SK developed bereith the way he talks that he/ we did 

then why havent arsenal loaned us any more “ promising young players to develop “ ?

answer is     HOOFBALL 

 

Kettlewell didn’t single-handedly turn Biereth into a €13 million player, although his ego may tell him that. 

[stv]

7 hours ago, smiddy said:

 

then why havent arsenal loaned us any more “ promising young players to develop “ ?

answer is     HOOFBALL 

 

Nope answer is Scottish defenders. 

[wellgirl]

9 hours ago, smiddy said:

I know you are 

but i was asking a decent question 

if  SK developed bereith the way he talks that he/ we did 

then why havent arsenal loaned us any more “ promising young players to develop “ ?

answer is     HOOFBALL 

 

There are other English clubs who loaned to us over the last few seasons - including this one. I don't think any club has to send us more than one player just because they've loaned to us previously. There will be lots of variables as to why we get a player on loan at any specific time. 

We gave Mika a platform - he played well for us and then he moved on - it's quite clear that he was an exceptional talent. 

A quick Google search shows an article where Mika was praising Kettlewell and saying that he had given him confidence to score goals and various other articles where Kettlewell was praising the player.

Mika didn't really need that much development - what he needed was game time which he got with us. 

Arsenal also actually don't have that many players out on loan at the moment - 8. 

If it all comes down to HOOFBALL - players have been sent to us on loan during other managers tenure - and some fans weren't happy with those other managers style of play either.