SteelmaninOZ Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 3 hours ago, grizzlyg said: McGinn has been one of our most consistent players so definitely should be kept. Obika no way should be kept on and Butcher done us a great turn last season but shouldnt be offered a new deal. I wouldn't mind SOD staying, has been much better this season and doesn't deserve the stick he gets from some I agree with you pal. SOD has a very good communication with team as witnessed in the Dundee game when he came on, and carried out SK’s instructions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron_Mcd Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 I suspect we'll keep Nicholson, SOD, Bevis and McGinn. Would like to see if we could get Gent or Vale back but I would be surprised if we did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Given our defence is leakier than Downing Street, I'll focus my comments on those players now. SOD will be 32 in May and should have a few years left in him, but probably not as a marauding RWB for much longer. He's local, so I'm sure he'd accept a new deal if offered, but it's anyone's guess what those terms would/should be. McGinn will be 34 in October and probably has another season at least left at this level, so we may offer him a 1-year deal as he's versatile and reliable, and his experience will help the younger boys. However, I can see another SPL club offering him a 2-year contract with, likely, improved wages, which he would be wise to take. Bevis is a bit of an unknown. He's been here for what feels like a long time, and he's now an international captain, which is incredible for him. This new status will likely have his agent's ears pricked up, meaning he'll be getting touted for a higher wage to other clubs, although this could be something we accept and offer him a new deal anyway. Butcher appears to be finished at this level and shouldn't be offered a new deal. He's an Obika, unfortunately. Blaney is under contract, has found his way into the team lately, and may decide to see out his deal, but that all depends on what conversations Kettlewell has had with him. Casey. Let's hope he continues to improve and learn. His strengths and passion are there for all to see, as well as his weaknesses. He'll get a proper pre-season this year. Elliot. Does he exist? Why was he signed? Gent's loan will end, and he's out of contract at Blackburn, meaning he's likely out of our price range, although I would love to sign him. He's been fantastic and seems to be flourishing. He can even play as an inside forward. Monty is already back at Celtic, recovering from an injury, although we may see him come off the bench for us in May. Good luck to the lad, whatever happens, as his cameo was impressive. Devine. Back to Rangers. He would benefit from going out on loan to a lower league for a spell. Wilson. He'll return to us from Beith, and his contract expires in May. I'm not sure what will happen next. I've no clue about the other young lads and won't comment. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 41 minutes ago, wellfan said: Given our defence is leakier than Downing Street, I'll focus my comments on those players now. SOD will be 32 in May and should have a few years left in him, but probably not as a marauding RWB for much longer. He's local, so I'm sure he'd accept a new deal if offered, but it's anyone's guess what those terms would/should be. McGinn will be 34 in October and probably has another season at least left at this level, so we may offer him a 1-year deal as he's versatile and reliable, and his experience will help the younger boys. However, I can see another SPL club offering him a 2-year contract with, likely, improved wages, which he would be wise to take. Bevis is a bit of an unknown. He's been here for what feels like a long time, and he's now an international captain, which is incredible for him. This new status will likely have his agent's ears pricked up, meaning he'll be getting touted for a higher wage to other clubs, although this could be something we accept and offer him a new deal anyway. Butcher appears to be finished at this level and shouldn't be offered a new deal. He's an Obika, unfortunately. Blaney is under contract, has found his way into the team lately, and may decide to see out his deal, but that all depends on what conversations Kettlewell has had with him. Casey. Let's hope he continues to improve and learn. His strengths and passion are there for all to see, as well as his weaknesses. He'll get a proper pre-season this year. Elliot. Does he exist? Why was he signed? Gent's loan will end, and he's out of contract at Blackburn, meaning he's likely out of our price range, although I would love to sign him. He's been fantastic and seems to be flourishing. He can even play as an inside forward. Monty is already back at Celtic, recovering from an injury, although we may see him come off the bench for us in May. Good luck to the lad, whatever happens, as his cameo was impressive. Devine. Back to Rangers. He would benefit from going out on loan to a lower league for a spell. Wilson. He'll return to us from Beith, and his contract expires in May. I'm not sure what will happen next. I've no clue about the other young lads and won't comment. Agree with pretty much all of that. Whatever happens, there is plenty of scope for changes to our defence. First thing I would be doing is trying to identify a big commanding goalkeeper. Hopefully SK can find the balance to the rest of the defence after that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Sam Nicholson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 3 hours ago, wellfan said: Devine. Back to Rangers. He would benefit from going out on loan to a lower league for a spell He was previously on loan to Partick and latterly to Brechin in the Highland League where he only played 11 games. After that he went back to Rangers and played 4 games for their ‘B’ team before coming to us on loan. No harm to the guy but having watched him since he arrived it’s hard to see him making his way in top level football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 3 hours ago, wellfan said: Given our defence is leakier than Downing Street, I'll focus my comments on those players now. SOD will be 32 in May and should have a few years left in him, but probably not as a marauding RWB for much longer. He's local, so I'm sure he'd accept a new deal if offered, but it's anyone's guess what those terms would/should be. McGinn will be 34 in October and probably has another season at least left at this level, so we may offer him a 1-year deal as he's versatile and reliable, and his experience will help the younger boys. However, I can see another SPL club offering him a 2-year contract with, likely, improved wages, which he would be wise to take. Bevis is a bit of an unknown. He's been here for what feels like a long time, and he's now an international captain, which is incredible for him. This new status will likely have his agent's ears pricked up, meaning he'll be getting touted for a higher wage to other clubs, although this could be something we accept and offer him a new deal anyway. Butcher appears to be finished at this level and shouldn't be offered a new deal. He's an Obika, unfortunately. Blaney is under contract, has found his way into the team lately, and may decide to see out his deal, but that all depends on what conversations Kettlewell has had with him. Casey. Let's hope he continues to improve and learn. His strengths and passion are there for all to see, as well as his weaknesses. He'll get a proper pre-season this year. Elliot. Does he exist? Why was he signed? Gent's loan will end, and he's out of contract at Blackburn, meaning he's likely out of our price range, although I would love to sign him. He's been fantastic and seems to be flourishing. He can even play as an inside forward. Monty is already back at Celtic, recovering from an injury, although we may see him come off the bench for us in May. Good luck to the lad, whatever happens, as his cameo was impressive. Devine. Back to Rangers. He would benefit from going out on loan to a lower league for a spell. Wilson. He'll return to us from Beith, and his contract expires in May. I'm not sure what will happen next. I've no clue about the other young lads and won't comment. From what I've read, Gent's contract appears to run till 2025. Completely agree, he's been great for us. If there's any realistic way of getting him back next season, we're surely looking at that, rather than spending money on one or two unknown quantities to replace him. He seems happy here and must realise he's well liked, which are good starting points, although a chance at Blackburn or bigger vultures swooping will obviously kill us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 I’d really like to see Gent and Vale both back here playing next season. Both are pretty handy and always put in a good shift. Players who have some skill and put in a shift are like gold dust to teams like us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, bobbybingo said: From what I've read, Gent's contract appears to run till 2025. Completely agree, he's been great for us. If there's any realistic way of getting him back next season, we're surely looking at that, rather than spending money on one or two unknown quantities to replace him. He seems happy here and must realise he's well liked, which are good starting points, although a chance at Blackburn or bigger vultures swooping will obviously kill us. For whatever reason, I thought he was out of contract, but it makes sense that he was sent to us after extending his deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelllfan Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Hopefully with the new investment coming in to the club we can maybe afford 1 or 2 better players for next season. If we sell Miller this summer we should be looking for upwards of the Turnbull fee as he's a great prospect. The squad needs a fair bit of surgery in my opinion. Only players I'd be desperate to keep are Bair, Miller and Vale made permanent. Spittal would be here but off to Hearts. Would be surprised if they didn't all receive far more appealing financial offers. Definetley need a overhaul in Defence and Midfield who knows maybe Kettlewell will even change formation. Either way hopefully we get into the top 6 and manage to sneak into 5th for a wee European tour next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 It looks like young dylan wells will be signing a new deal with us rather than going to the english premiership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 9 hours ago, mfc said: It looks like young dylan wells will be signing a new deal with us rather than going to the english premiership. The ink is not dried yet. However, if it comes to pass, it would be a good bit of business and a boost to our Academy. Probably best for the lad's long term development too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 10 hours ago, mfc said: It looks like young dylan wells will be signing a new deal with us rather than going to the english premiership. That would be great. I know money talks but he would be best staying with us for a few years and getting game time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 2 hours ago, grizzlyg said: That would be great. I know money talks but he would be best staying with us for a few years and getting game time Exactly,if wells or any other youngster are good enough then the big move will eventually come,they will be much better off staying where they are and getting some real game time under the belt before moving on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 Better to stay, get games under your belt and move on as an Alan Campbell, David Turnbull or (whisper it) Chris Cadden, than a Jake Hastie or Bailey Rice........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, joewarkfanclub said: Better to stay, get games under your belt and move on as an Alan Campbell, David Turnbull or (whisper it) Chris Cadden, than a Jake Hastie or Bailey Rice........ Alan Martin, Reece McAlear................. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 4 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: Better to stay, get games under your belt and move on as an Alan Campbell, David Turnbull or (whisper it) Chris Cadden, than a Jake Hastie or Bailey Rice........ Although preferably leaving for a transfer fee as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 2 hours ago, Mad Dog said: Although preferably leaving for a transfer fee as well. Of course! You could add, not try and wind up our fans on your return to Fir Park having left for no transfer fee and bending international rules to ensure the development fee doesnt get paid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, joewarkfanclub said: Of course! You could add, not try and wind up our fans on your return to Fir Park having left for no transfer fee and bending international rules to ensure the development fee doesnt get paid! It did get paid, though. Just took longer than usual because it was the first year MLS teams were in the scheme and their federation were trying to claim they were Tier 4 for the purposes of compensation pay outs. So it had to go through all the UEFA and FIFA bureaucracy until it was settled. In the end, when Cadden signed for Hibs, the fee had to be paid before he got his clearance. 'Flow talked about this on a couple of occasions including confirming that it was paid. Also, anybody who gives a footballer any credit for the brains to come up with a scheme like that hasn't met many footballers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 The Rancid is reporting that SK is trying to fix up Georgie Gent and Jack Vale for next season. I hope he can pull that off ,but fear its a pipedream. . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodo Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 25 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: The Rancid is reporting that SK is trying to fix up Georgie Gent and Jack Vale for next season. I hope he can pull that off ,but fear its a pipedream. . Would have rather he got something in place before running to the press only alerts other clubs of their availability 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 11 hours ago, weeyin said: It did get paid, though. Just took longer than usual because it was the first year MLS teams were in the scheme and their federation were trying to claim they were Tier 4 for the purposes of compensation pay outs. So it had to go through all the UEFA and FIFA bureaucracy until it was settled. In the end, when Cadden signed for Hibs, the fee had to be paid before he got his clearance. 'Flow talked about this on a couple of occasions including confirming that it was paid. Also, anybody who gives a footballer any credit for the brains to come up with a scheme like that hasn't met many footballers. Must have missed the fact that it was paid. I do recall Flow talking about being in communication with the US club but there were complications because they were outside the regulatory framework. Ive never thought Cadden cooked the scheme up. Always felt is was down to Columbus Crew and his agent. I hold no ill will towards the player but Id rather we didnt end up in the same situation again. Anyway, my post was intended to be light hearted so maybe I should have used some imojis! 😆😆😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 2 hours ago, Yodo said: Would have rather he got something in place before running to the press only alerts other clubs of their availability Hes no that daft. There is a plan.🤞 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 3 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: Must have missed the fact that it was paid. I do recall Flow talking about being in communication with the US club but there were complications because they were outside the regulatory framework. Ive never thought Cadden cooked the scheme up. Always felt is was down to Columbus Crew and his agent. I hold no ill will towards the player but Id rather we didnt end up in the same situation again. Anyway, my post was intended to be light hearted so maybe I should have used some imojis! 😆😆😆 Just finish with a Ba boom.....and COYW!! That is always my tactic !!! Ba boom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 1 hour ago, grizzlyg said: Just finish with a Ba boom.....and COYW!! That is always my tactic !!! Ba boom COYW!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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