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1 hour ago, wellgirl said:

Around 2.5k a week according to earlier press reports 

 

1 hour ago, grizzlyg said:

That seems really high as I would imagine our top earners would be nearer that, ie. SOD, Slattery, Kelly

But again I am just guessing, I don't know any inside info

Taking £58K per week as the correct total for wages, we currently have a first team squad of around 24 players listed, so that averages out at just under £2.5K per player. That doesn't include the development guys like Wells, Ferrie, and Ross, assuming their wages are part of the 58K total. 

 

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1 hour ago, grizzlyg said:

That seems really high as I would imagine our top earners would be nearer that, ie. SOD, Slattery, Kelly

But again I am just guessing, I don't know any inside info

Youre right could actually be 2.5k a month. I'll need to look it up but think thats more likely. Pretty sure it is around 2.5k a month Bair is on. Don't ask me why I said a week. 

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11 hours ago, wellfan said:

If Bair continues to improve and score more goals, his goal contribution alone could be worth more than £750K in cup runs and league placing next season.

The best-case scenario would be that he signs a one-year extension on improved personal terms until the end of season 2025/26, he performs like a Messi/Haaland hybrid next season, then is sold for 4x that figure next summer. 

Or we sell him this summer for £750K, spend it on a few English lower-league jobbers, then hope that Moses becomes Messi(ah) next season. 

That's a big "if" though, isn't it? As I said earlier, we don't know what our team will look like next season. Will Bair be as effective without the likes of Spittal in midfield? 

What if he picks up an injury? What if, and I hope it's not true, this season is his "Van Veen season"? 

£750,000 is a fair price for a guy who's really done nothing of note until this season. Any team paying that would basically be taking a punt on him. Sure, English teams can spend more, but would they spend more on a guy who has one good season in seven under his belt?

6 hours ago, wellgirl said:

It's been said publicly in the press  that he's one of our lowest paid players and that he took a drop in wages to come to us. 

He didn't really take a drop in wages though. He didn't force a move from St Johnstone to join us, he agreed to terminate his contract by mutual consent with the club because they deemed him a waste of time and money and he wasn't getting much game time promised to him. 

So, when he signed for us a month or so later he was basically earning nothing. I doubt there was a whole lot of teams blowing up his agents phone wanting to pay him more than we were offering either.

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Did he get a pay off, i.e. have St Johnstone effectively paid his salary this year and we are topping it up with the buttons that was reported earlier in the season.

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3 minutes ago, ropy said:

Did he get a pay off, i.e. have St Johnstone effectively paid his salary this year and we are topping it up with the buttons that was reported earlier in the season.

If his contract was terminated by St Johnstone, then yes, he would have received a pay off from them. 

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29 minutes ago, ropy said:

Did he get a pay off, i.e. have St Johnstone effectively paid his salary this year and we are topping it up with the buttons that was reported earlier in the season.

I imagine he's likely gotten anywhere between 30%-70% of the total value left on his contract paid to him. 

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18 hours ago, David said:

That's a big "if" though, isn't it? As I said earlier, we don't know what our team will look like next season. Will Bair be as effective without the likes of Spittal in midfield? 

What if he picks up an injury? What if, and I hope it's not true, this season is his "Van Veen season"? 

£750,000 is a fair price for a guy who's really done nothing of note until this season. Any team paying that would basically be taking a punt on him. Sure, English teams can spend more, but would they spend more on a guy who has one good season in seven under his belt?

He didn't really take a drop in wages though. He didn't force a move from St Johnstone to join us, he agreed to terminate his contract by mutual consent with the club because they deemed him a waste of time and money and he wasn't getting much game time promised to him. 

So, when he signed for us a month or so later he was basically earning nothing. I doubt there was a whole lot of teams blowing up his agents phone wanting to pay him more than we were offering either.

Well daft them though eh 😏. Given that he's hit form

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29 minutes ago, TheoBair14 said:

Heard it might be Dylan Easton 

30 years old never played in the top league, scores a few goals but not exactly prolific. I don't think he'd be a direct replacement for Spittal but our midfield has been a problem for years now, so hopefully this has finally been recognised. He has plenty of experience so that's a bonus. As always if he is coming on board he will be judged on how he performs.

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9 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

30 years old never played in the top league, scores a few goals but not exactly prolific. I don't think he'd be a direct replacement for Spittal but our midfield has been a problem for years now, so hopefully this has finally been recognised. He has plenty of experience so that's a bonus. As always if he is coming on board he will be judged on how he performs.

Your last sentence applies to yourself i assume, since I’ve been on this site a few years now and I almost fell over when I read that. Or does it need a sarcastic emoji there to clarify? 😃

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36 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:

Your last sentence applies to yourself i assume, since I’ve been on this site a few years now and I almost fell over when I read that. Or does it need a sarcastic emoji there to clarify? 😃

No emoji required, I always judge players on how they perform, don't always get it right as I thought Bair was brutal but he's a great example of how new players should get time to settle and prove themselves instead of being written of as shite after 5 minutes.

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That easton is a really talented player by all accounts but has had attitude problems throughout his career but has really screwed the head the last couple of years.

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37 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

If true, where does that leave Sam Nicholson? Would there be room for both?

Nicholson hasn’t exactly impressed during his time with us, and I think his contract situation in the States is a little complex, so who knows where that leaves him. He signed a 2.5 year deal until winter 2024 with Colorado Rapids, although he was waived in January which allowed him to sign a short-term deal with us. I'd probably rather have Easton in the Spittal position than Nicholson. 

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1 hour ago, Spiderpig said:

No emoji required, I always judge players on how they perform, don't always get it right as I thought Bair was brutal but he's a great example of how new players should get time to settle and prove themselves instead of being written of as shite after 5 minutes.

I would say that if we sign Easton then previous Kettlewell have made players adapt well at club and think we can make him very good 

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I also find all the talk about Theo very interesting.  Cue start of season and the guy was being written off before he had kicked a ball. I confess I was also a doubt but I wasnt on slating him.   I feel we are far too early to judge players though I guess all clubs are the same.  Vale was criticised before signing and looking now like Halliday will be the next boo boy,  it takes time for players to settle so let's all give them a chance. Remember.....shouting and booing a player is hardly going to help their confidence.

At same time , I hope Bair signs new extension and stays but just my opinion only but if offered £750k it's great business but I would try and get £1,000,000.

COYW

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8 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

I also find all the talk about Theo very interesting.  Cue start of season and the guy was being written off before he had kicked a ball. I confess I was also a doubt but I wasnt on slating him.   I feel we are far too early to judge players though I guess all clubs are the same.  Vale was criticised before signing and looking now like Halliday will be the next boo boy,  it takes time for players to settle so let's all give them a chance. Remember.....shouting and booing a player is hardly going to help their confidence.

At same time , I hope Bair signs new extension and stays but just my opinion only but if offered £750k it's great business but I would try and get £1,000,000.

COYW

The problem for Halliday is that he came with a pedigree so expectations are higher. Im hoping his issues are just lack of football and match fitness and that its not that his legs are just gone. Happy to see how he looks after a proper pre season and a bit more first team football.

We should offer Theo an improved deal because he has earned it, but also to show prospective suitors we are serious about keeping him and if they want him they will need to make it worth our while. If we want to push his value up we need to send out the right signals.

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14 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

The problem for Halliday is that he came with a pedigree so expectations are higher. Im hoping his issues are just lack of football and match fitness and that its not that his legs are just gone. Happy to see how he looks after a proper pre season and a bit more first team football.

We should offer Theo an improved deal because he has earned it, but also to show prospective suitors we are serious about keeping him and if they want him they will need to make it worth our while. If we want to push his value up we need to send out the right signals.

Would not be surprised we give Bair new contract then he get full season next season then leaves for money like Van Veen 

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Hope the rumours we're in for / signed Easton are true the guy is a good player. A few Raith fans I know rate him highly. At 30 it's realistically his last chance to get a shot in the top flight. He can play through the middle and out wide doubt he'd be a direct replacement for spittal but he's good enough to do a job. Scored a cracker at Tannadice in December.

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32 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

I also find all the talk about Theo very interesting.  Cue start of season and the guy was being written off before he had kicked a ball. I confess I was also a doubt but I wasnt on slating him.   I feel we are far too early to judge players though I guess all clubs are the same.  Vale was criticised before signing and looking now like Halliday will be the next boo boy,  it takes time for players to settle so let's all give them a chance. Remember.....shouting and booing a player is hardly going to help their confidence.

At same time , I hope Bair signs new extension and stays but just my opinion only but if offered £750k it's great business but I would try and get £1,000,000.

COYW

I boo no one. Never have and never will. 

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18 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

The problem for Halliday is that he came with a pedigree so expectations are higher. Im hoping his issues are just lack of football and match fitness and that its not that his legs are just gone. Happy to see how he looks after a proper pre season and a bit more first team football.

We should offer Theo an improved deal because he has earned it, but also to show prospective suitors we are serious about keeping him and if they want him they will need to make it worth our while. If we want to push his value up we need to send out the right signals.

Id like to keep Bair. Agree re Halliday 

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