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Ya Bezzer! Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 18 hours ago, Yodo said: Slattery Paton Callachan Halliday slowest midfield in the league Just means we'll never get caught out on the counter attack as they'll still be trying to get up the pitch. 🤣 Think we've been better without Slattery than with him. Look at the results when Lennon Miller was out and look at them when Slattery was out. Think it's pretty telling. Would not have offered him a new contract and I'm assuming he's one of the better paid players. Paton isn't the greatest but he rarely gives you less than 100% and if you blend the midfield to include technically better players I think he can play a role. Callachan could honestly go either way. Worth pointing out the guy has played well over 140 matches and scored 20 goals at this level for various teams so it's not totally outlandish. Obviously his injury record at County is pretty alarming but he was one of the better midfielders in the league two or three seasons ago. Can he replicate that form? The jury is out but I think you need to give him a chance. Kettlewell has taken a risk but it's premature to lambast him on it. Let's see some performances and results first. Halliday should stick to podcasting, offered very little last season. Only thing you can say is maybe a pre-season will sharpen him up but he's turning 33 and we already have too many older players especially in the defensive areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 12 hours ago, wunderwell said: I'd say it's the opposite to remain with the status quo we need to rely on funds like this. So the opposite in terms of supporters..... What ever you want 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benson Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 11 hours ago, weeyin said: Not everyone is blessed with the pace of a David Turnbull, Gary McAllister or Bobby Russell. Difference being none of them could lace turnbull,mcallister and Russell boots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 3 hours ago, Benson said: Difference being none of them could lace turnbull,mcallister and Russell boots Halliday might literally struggle to bend down to tie their laces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 Quote Darren Edward Andrew Randolph is an Irish professional footballer who plays as a goalkeeper. He is currently a free agent. Randolph has also represented Ireland at basketball. If he's at a fighting weight bring him home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 9 hours ago, stv said: What ever you want I’m sure Grizzly will approve of your reply 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 9 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: I’m sure Grizzly will approve of your reply Oh i liked it I liked it I liked it I liked it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinjy Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 Someone on here is advocating combining four wages and bringing in one top player on that sort of money. They clearly do not know or understand how a dressing room woks. Derek Weir when asked at the AGM why we did not try to sign Van Veen was quite clear that senior dedicated professionals ( I think he mentioned Kelly, McGinn and O'Donnell ) would not be happy and could have had detrimental effects on moral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 2 hours ago, sinjy said: Someone on here is advocating combining four wages and bringing in one top player on that sort of money. They clearly do not know or understand how a dressing room woks. Derek Weir when asked at the AGM why we did not try to sign Van Veen was quite clear that senior dedicated professionals ( I think he mentioned Kelly, McGinn and O'Donnell ) would not be happy and could have had detrimental effects on moral. Think what they were emphasising is quality over quantity. Clubs our size do need to speculate at times. Not quite x 4 amount but show ambition in attracting higher quality. Team improves and morale improves. It is competitive sport after all. Players not always happy and shouldn't have control over manager. All have chance to impress for terms. If they can't they can go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 9 minutes ago, robsterwood said: Think what they were emphasising is quality over quantity. Clubs our size do need to speculate at times. We speculate all the time - that's how we ended up with players like Kipre and Ojamaa - and more recently Slattery, Davor, Moses, Stuparević and, of course, Bair. What we can't afford to do is break the wage structure for one or two players at the cost of leaving us 2 or 3 players short in the squad. We've seen first hand on multiple occasions how injuries can wreak havoc on our normally small pool. We ended up in administration because Boyle tried that approach with guys like Spencer and Goram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 I thought the point was if you have a set budget rather than spend it on say 25 players, spend the same budget on c18 players instead. Overall go smaller squad and higher spend per player but keeping the same budget. Last season we seemed to do both, smaller squad and smaller per player budget. I can see the argument of less players and better quality but we'd need a deeper pool of youngsters coming through which is harder to achieve as each season passes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 1 hour ago, robsterwood said: Think what they were emphasising is quality over quantity. Clubs our size do need to speculate at times. Not quite x 4 amount but show ambition in attracting higher quality. Team improves and morale improves. It is competitive sport after all. Players not always happy and shouldn't have control over manager. All have chance to impress for terms. If they can't they can go. Quality over quantity is ok but when you need lots of positions filled we are in the situation we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 49 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: I thought the point was if you have a set budget rather than spend it on say 25 players, spend the same budget on c18 players instead. Overall go smaller squad and higher spend per player but keeping the same budget. Last season we seemed to do both, smaller squad and smaller per player budget. I can see the argument of less players and better quality but we'd need a deeper pool of youngsters coming through which is harder to achieve as each season passes. Bigger wages doesn’t garentee better quailty or performances .Only that the agent got more dosh for his client. Look at Killie with KVV what a waste of money. Its a balancing act to stick to a budget like ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 2 hours ago, stv said: Bigger wages doesn’t garentee better quailty or performances .Only that the agent got more dosh for his client. Look at Killie with KVV what a waste of money. Its a balancing act to stick to a budget like ours. completely understand that and I'm not advocating that we spend 3 - 4x on a single player. It's harsh though to see us losing the ability to compete with several other clubs who haven't stayed in the SPL. Likes of StMirren, Killie, Dundee etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 6 hours ago, sinjy said: Someone on here is advocating combining four wages and bringing in one top player on that sort of money. They clearly do not know or understand how a dressing room woks. Derek Weir when asked at the AGM why we did not try to sign Van Veen was quite clear that senior dedicated professionals ( I think he mentioned Kelly, McGinn and O'Donnell ) would not be happy and could have had detrimental effects on moral. If they have a problem they can sit down and watch their season highlights and reflect on the fact that they are extremely fortunate to still be at the club. Sign shite players to keep Stephen O'Donnell happy is the kind of logic you would expect from Kettlewell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 23 Author Report Share Posted June 23 As I said earlier in the thread, do those players even want to come to Motherwell? For instance, instead of signing four players at the wage we usually offer for a single player, let's say we actually do consider combining those four salaries to buy one player. Just for arguments sake. You'll often find that players commanding the equivalent of four players' wages at our level will attract interest from clubs higher up the hierarchy, who see that combined four-player salary as their standard, single-player salary. Consequently, they are likely to offer far more than we can in other aspects besides salary. In essence, it wouldn't work. It's a very simplistic way of looking at transfer dealings. It’s easy to plan with rough estimates, but the real world is usually far more complicated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 53 minutes ago, David said: As I said earlier in the thread, do those players even want to come to Motherwell? For instance, instead of signing four players at the wage we usually offer for a single player, let's say we actually do consider combining those four salaries to buy one player. Just for arguments sake. You'll often find that players commanding the equivalent of four players' wages at our level will attract interest from clubs higher up the hierarchy, who see that combined four-player salary as their standard, single-player salary. Consequently, they are likely to offer far more than we can in other aspects besides salary. In essence, it wouldn't work. It's a very simplistic way of looking at transfer dealings. It’s easy to plan with rough estimates, but the real world is usually far more complicated. That's the basic principle but it's showing ambition to tempt higher quy players so we should try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 Any word on a goalkeeper signing? Or are we going away for out preseason camp with only one goalie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 23 Author Report Share Posted June 23 32 minutes ago, robsterwood said: That's the basic principle but it's showing ambition to tempt higher quy players so we should try. I'm fairly sure that we don't actively try not to sign good players. But, like it not, those factors I mentioned will come into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamwell Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 I like big SODS, always find the seethe toward him a bit weird. *sticks helmet on and runs away* 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 37 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said: Any word on a goalkeeper signing? Or are we going away for out preseason camp with only one goalie? Presumably we'll have nominated an outfield player as back up goalie, unless we have a trialist. Maybe Neil Alexander has been registered as temporary back up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 Can we get big Sieb back for pre season? Make my day. I'm sure at approaching 60 he can still put the fear of god into strikers.....and a few of his own defenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 1 hour ago, David said: I'm fairly sure that we don't actively try not to sign good players. But, like it not, those factors I mentioned will come into play. There will always be players paid more in football. Always the option to bid or pay higher and inevitably change in salary of players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 8 hours ago, David said: As I said earlier in the thread, do those players even want to come to Motherwell? For instance, instead of signing four players at the wage we usually offer for a single player, let's say we actually do consider combining those four salaries to buy one player. Just for arguments sake. It's definitely happened in the past Porter, Hughes, Nicky Law right up to Liam Kelly. The idea that we should be worried about the sensibilities of a guy like SOD who personally conceded more penalties than we kept clean sheets is mental. If he doesn't like it good luck finding another club. I'm not saying we should have broke the bank for KVV but if you look at our midfield options Kettlewell has brought to the club it's shambolic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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