Spit_It_Out Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Just now, wellgirl said: I think Butcher deserves to stay. Just my view. He's been solid in times where Bevis hasn't been. And what have you seen of him this season that tells you he is worth a new contract? He has had a mare every game he has started he is done at the this level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I think Butcher deserves to stay. Just my view. He's been solid in times where Bevis hasn't been. He's got a lot of good qualities as a player. A shame about that injury If he was same player before injury I would totally agree but sadly looks a different player now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie73 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, wellgirl said: I think Butcher deserves to stay. Just my view. He's been solid in times where Bevis hasn't been. Just think he’s getting on a bit now, too slow, commits too many fouls, doesn’t win his personal battles the way he did last year, seems to have lost a yard, think a full new defence is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Just now, Spit_It_Out said: And what have you seen of him this season that tells you he is worth a new contract? He has had a mare every game he has started he is done at the this level. I don't agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mccus28 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 26 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Disagree. Cannot see how Butcher has to go but Bevis stays. Bevis is a good guy but he's cost us too many times defensively. 100000000% agree, decent big fella but utter baws at footy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Just now, Mccus28 said: 100000000% agree, decent big fella but utter baws at footy I'm just amazed that SOD gets all the grief when Bevis form is so all over the place. The odd goal he scores doesn't make up for the defensive errors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz7 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 40 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: I didn't say he wasn't simply that I'm far from convinced that he is. These labels are often academic and hard to prove one way or the other. How many goals would the likes of Bair, Vale or other strikers score if they played for Hearts? You might disagree with my conclusion and that's perfectly fine but I hope you agree that there is some merit in my argument. Not really but top 3 in league are imo kyogo then shankland then dessers/miovski based on last few years. Only reason shankland is 2nd is because he's at hearts and not one of other 2 so doesn't get same praise. Who in your opinion is top 3 in league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Different topic but if Germany v Scotland was tomorrow I would have Shankland as the lone striker but loyalty from Clarke will mean Dykes or Adams who ain't exactly firing on all cylinders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie73 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 If we survive this season, would you take the boy from Airdrie and let him build a team, talking to a Raith scout and he says the football they play is the best in that league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 4 minutes ago, Stevie73 said: If we survive this season, would you take the boy from Airdrie and let him build a team, talking to a Raith scout and he says the football they play is the best in that league No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie73 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, wellgirl said: No. Why, Ketterwell has zero tactics, and his recruitment team have been brutal, constructive reason why not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, Stevie73 said: If we survive this season, would you take the boy from Airdrie and let him build a team, talking to a Raith scout and he says the football they play is the best in that league It might be, but they're 20 points off the top and 9 off the bottom, so that's a no from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie73 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: It might be, but they're 20 points off the top and 9 off the bottom, so that's a no from me. True, but probably shit budget, just going what the boy is saying, says it’s a bit like Spurs gaffer, tries to constantly attack, says he is going to be a good manager 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 8 minutes ago, Stevie73 said: Why, Ketterwell has zero tactics, and his recruitment team have been brutal, constructive reason why not ? His recruitment team? Dont you mean the one he inherited from Alexander? Kettlewell didn't recruit Daws as far as I'm aware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie73 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, wellgirl said: His recruitment team? Dont you mean the one he inherited from Alexander? Kettlewell didn't recruit Daws as far as I'm aware. Does he not agree the signings 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Just now, Stevie73 said: Does he not agree the signings 🤷🏻♂️ You asked me a question. I answered it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, gaz7 said: Good post Joe and agree with all. We look well drilled but I felt his subs were poor. If and only if gent was injured he could have brought on buyabu to keep same balance. After that was hit and hope from him .Seriously bevis rather than obika when chasing game up top. Shankland difference as he's a top player I think the SOD sub was more to do with Vargas coming on that side. He would have torn Devine a new one. For all SOD has his detractors he did marshall him reasonably well and better than Devine would have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie73 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Full clear out needed, hopefully board make the right decision and let SK walk as well, should be looking now for new team to recruit in the summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, wellfan said: I've just seen the goals. Comedy defending as usual. Pathetic. Any comment about the free kick that Davor donated to Hearts? I suspect without that free kick we may well have gotten the draw as Hearts were running out of ideas. Also the Miller miss was crucial. And Kelly did well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 38 minutes ago, Stevie73 said: Full clear out needed, hopefully board make the right decision and let SK walk as well, should be looking now for new team to recruit in the summer. We should be looking for a new team to recruit in the summer? How do you think players will feel if he walks now? Hes not going to walk. They'll need to sack him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie73 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: We should be looking for a new team to recruit in the summer? How do you think players will feel if he walks now? Hes not going to walk. They'll need to sack him. No one said sack him, we can’t afford to, his contract is up in the summer, don’t renew it, simple, he has 3 wins in 24, it’s rotten statistics, but you obviously like him, your choice, my opinion we need change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 12 minutes ago, Stevie73 said: No one said sack him, we can’t afford to, his contract is up in the summer, don’t renew it, simple, he has 3 wins in 24, it’s rotten statistics, but you obviously like him, your choice, my opinion we need change. It's five in 26. I get the form. I have a season ticket. You said walk. You want him out right now yeah ? How do you think the players would react to that? If you think it would improve our season fair enough and it might come to that in the end. We can't afford to? We paid off Alexander and Hammell? Why not Kettlewell? Hes only got four months to go like you say. I personally think this will be the last year I put money into the club. On so many levels I cannot be bothered. Probably for the exact opposite reasons of other people who feel like chucking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 24 minutes ago, wellgirl said: It's five in 26. I get the form. I have a season ticket. You said walk. You want him out right now yeah ? How do you think the players would react to that? If you think it would improve our season fair enough and it might come to that in the end. I think what Stevie is saying , and no doubt he'll correct me if I'm wrong, is that we do nothing and say nothing until the end of the season and then we simply don't renew his contract. That way the players know no more than we do. In short, they can't react to something which hasn't happened. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootherwell86 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, grizzlyg said: Any man that wears a short sleeved shirt and gloves deserves to be shown the door Could not agree more 👍🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 14 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: I think what Stevie is saying , and no doubt he'll correct me if I'm wrong, is that we do nothing and say nothing until the end of the season and then we simply don't renew his contract. That way the players know no more than we do. In short, they can't react to something which hasn't happened. I get that. But if that's the case I'll be done with putting money into the club. Not good enough on any level whether people do or don't like Stuart. The rot set in ages ago as far as I'm concerned and a new manager every 18 months or so isn't going to help that rot. I think Kettlewell deserves better than that too. But that's just my own opinion. I don't think anyone deserves to see out the next four months of a contract just to be quietly be let go. He's also got the right to want job security and if we don't want to give him it he has the right to look elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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