Spiderpig Posted February 20, 2024 Report Share Posted February 20, 2024 On 2/20/2024 at 4:00 PM, santheman said: My attitude is they're just another team in the same league as us. It doesnt bother me any more having a poor record against either of the OF than it does any other team. I really don't care how long it's been since we beat them, I only care about the next game. Expand Well said 👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 20, 2024 Report Share Posted February 20, 2024 On 2/20/2024 at 4:17 PM, David said: Instead of "I agree with MJC..."? Yeah, probably. Expand I do agree that in the past certain managers and squads have pandered to the media narrative that Celtic and Rangers are too strong and its almost impossible for diddy teams to challenge them. Of course some managers will also say that in public and say something totally different to their squad in private. My point really was, that there is no point challenging our managers and players to have a more positive mindset if we as fans have us beat before a ball is kicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted February 20, 2024 Report Share Posted February 20, 2024 As pessimistic as I am about Sunday and any game against the Old Firm nowadays, I desperately hope that we can defy the odds and finally get a win against them. It would be especially satisfying to finally get a win against Celtic and that sanctimonious shark faced prick Rodgers and hopefully drive another nail into their title challenge. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 20, 2024 Report Share Posted February 20, 2024 On 2/20/2024 at 4:09 PM, weeyin said: The top-heavy weighting of the 1st and 2nd prize money was created to ensure the OF received the most cash the majority of the seasons. Expand Good post. When Sevco when in the lower leagues, an issue in itself, there was a vote to change the distribution of prize money but one club, which expected to finish 2nd, voted against change. In the event they were pipped to the runners up spot with seconds of the season to go. 🤣 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted February 20, 2024 Report Share Posted February 20, 2024 On 2/20/2024 at 6:34 PM, MJC said: As pessimistic as I am about Sunday and any game against the Old Firm nowadays, I desperately hope that we can defy the odds and finally get a win against them. It would be especially satisfying to finally get a win against Celtic and that sanctimonious shark faced prick Rodgers and hopefully drive another nail into their title challenge. Expand No doubt we will lose by 2 or 3 because I am a jinx , hopefully though we get at least a draw or a win I totally understand other Well fans saying it is just another 3 points which of course it is I just love to see us take points off either those teams , not just for a bit of bragging rights but just as well for my whole entire lifetime supporting Well I have took more slagging off those two sets of fans than any other (big style) . I include family members and close friends in that and great to hear them silenced even for a day or two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted February 20, 2024 Report Share Posted February 20, 2024 On 2/20/2024 at 9:45 AM, Kmcalpin said: and a fair referee. Expand Whoa! You almost had me onside there. Best you go and have a sit down now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted February 20, 2024 Report Share Posted February 20, 2024 Perhaps a two-edged sword playing Celtic in their current dodgy form. Fir Park is a great place to come when you're on a poor run and if we lose one of our traditional, early goals from a stupid defensive mistake it could be a long, painful and sickening afternoon. And yet, and yet, I'm not without the hope that we could upset them IF we could just score first and get in their faces (or the other way around). I know three Celtic fans who are pretty nervous about Sunday and I wonder if they would turn against Mr Permatan Smarm if we could get our noses in front. Of course, the referee doesn't fill me with confidence and I'm sure VAR will make an unwanted intervention at a crucial moment if necessary but my imaginary friend Harvey says I'm going onnyhoo so Tongs, Ya Bass! I feel better now......😱 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 20, 2024 Report Share Posted February 20, 2024 On 2/20/2024 at 1:34 PM, Spiderpig said: I can't understand the obsession some people have about beating either of the ugly sisters, especially the blue half, we've beaten both of them in games that matter over the years , the 91 semi final, 2015 playoff final, 2017/18 league Cup, yes a league win is nice but its not as simple as that. The uncomfortable truth whether people like it or not is that they are both much better teams than us (Rangers playoff final team excepted) so we don't have a god given right to expect to beat them every time we play them. All these stats about other teams having better records than ours etc are irrelevant it's nothing to do with mental attitude either, every Motherwell player goes into every game hoping to win, but in the real world you get beaten by better teams, who cares if its 20 odd years since our last league win against the blue uglies I'd rather see us winning against the other 9 teams, to earn a Euro spot, a decent cup run, stay in the premiership etc, people need to chill out a bit. Expand I care. I find it utterly depressing that nearly every other club in the league has a better record against the OF than us. That's where we differ. I couldn't care less if Motherwell ever qualified for Europe ever again. Other than a junket and piss up they are an utter waste of time. If we don't utterly embarrass Scottish football (Flamaturi, MyPa47, Stjarnan and Sligo Rovers) we invariably play utter shite and are out before it even starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 20, 2024 Report Share Posted February 20, 2024 On 2/20/2024 at 7:04 PM, Kmcalpin said: Good post. When Sevco when in the lower leagues, an issue in itself, there was a vote to change the distribution of prize money but one club, which expected to finish 2nd, voted against change. In the event they were pipped to the runners up spot with seconds of the season to go. 🤣 Expand Reid 'em and weep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted February 20, 2024 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2024 On 2/20/2024 at 8:40 PM, Happy Dosser said: Perhaps a two-edged sword playing Celtic in their current dodgy form. Fir Park is a great place to come when you're on a poor run and if we lose one of our traditional, early goals from a stupid defensive mistake it could be a long, painful and sickening afternoon. And yet, and yet, I'm not without the hope that we could upset them IF we could just score first and get in their faces (or the other way around). I know three Celtic fans who are pretty nervous about Sunday and I wonder if they would turn against Mr Permatan Smarm if we could get our noses in front. Of course, the referee doesn't fill me with confidence and I'm sure VAR will make an unwanted intervention at a crucial moment if necessary but my imaginary friend Harvey says I'm going onnyhoo so Tongs, Ya Bass! I feel better now......😱 Expand Keep up your meds pal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted February 20, 2024 Report Share Posted February 20, 2024 On 2/20/2024 at 8:55 PM, FirParkCornerExile said: I care. I find it utterly depressing that nearly every other club in the league has a better record against the OF than us. That's where we differ. I couldn't care less if Motherwell ever qualified for Europe ever again. Other than a junket and piss up they are an utter waste of time. If we don't utterly embarrass Scottish football (Flamaturi, MyPa47, Stjarnan and Sligo Rovers) we invariably play utter shite and are out before it even starts. Expand So all you are interested in is beating the uglies, and the statement you make about "nearly every other club in the league having a better record against them than us" is just bullshit. But if that's your sole ambition as a Motherwell fan to beat the ugly sisters then who am I to argue, best of luck coping with being disappointed most years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted February 20, 2024 Report Share Posted February 20, 2024 On 2/20/2024 at 7:23 PM, Wee Dougie said: Can you please make your mind up, on page 1,you're prediction is 3-1 defeat, now you're desperately hoping for a home win. You'd make a good politician!!!!!!. Expand There is a difference between what I think will happen and what I hope will happen. I always hope for a Motherwell win but given our dismal record in these fixtures then I can’t help but think that we will do nothing other than our usual and lose. On 2/20/2024 at 9:35 PM, Spiderpig said: So all you are interested in is beating the uglies, and the statement you make about "nearly every other club in the league having a better record against them than us" is just bullshit. But if that's your sole ambition as a Motherwell fan to beat the ugly sisters then who am I to argue, best of luck coping with being disappointed most years. Expand Selective reading and quoting at its finest. No one has said that “all they are interested in is beating the uglies” or that that’s anyone’s “sole ambition” to win games against either OF club. But you just go on making things up to suit your ‘agenda’ eh? And of course no doubt you’ll be getting strong powerful ‘vibes’ that Rangers are the “big team some people support” and all that regurgitated nonsense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted February 20, 2024 Report Share Posted February 20, 2024 Just as an aside on our recent terrible record vs the Old Firm (particularly Rangers).. A few of these teams who are of a similar size to ourselves but have a better record against the Old Firm have also suffered relegations in this period where we've been awful against the two headed monster. I'm not saying we shouldn't be aiming for both, but if it's staying up or a better record against them... I know which I prefer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted February 20, 2024 Report Share Posted February 20, 2024 the only deffo thing about sunday will be the new guys in our team will have crackin hairdos for the cameras and there mammys back in engurland ,,, thank you good nite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted February 21, 2024 Report Share Posted February 21, 2024 On 2/20/2024 at 9:57 PM, MJC said: There is a difference between what I think will happen and what I hope will happen. I always hope for a Motherwell win but given our dismal record in these fixtures then I can’t help but think that we will do nothing other than our usual and lose. Selective reading and quoting at its finest. No one has said that “all they are interested in is beating the uglies” or that that’s anyone’s “sole ambition” to win games against either OF club. But you just go on making things up to suit your ‘agenda’ eh? And of course no doubt you’ll be getting strong powerful ‘vibes’ that Rangers are the “big team some people support” and all that regurgitated nonsense. Expand I'm good at selective reading, i get lots of practice ignoring the dross you constantly spout but thanks for acknowledging it. 👍 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted February 21, 2024 Report Share Posted February 21, 2024 On 2/21/2024 at 7:11 AM, Spiderpig said: I'm good at selective reading, i get lots of practice ignoring the dross you constantly spout but thanks for acknowledging it. 👍 Expand You ignore it so well that you quote it. Looks like you need more practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted February 21, 2024 Report Share Posted February 21, 2024 On 2/20/2024 at 10:34 PM, MelvinBragg said: Just as an aside on our recent terrible record vs the Old Firm (particularly Rangers).. A few of these teams who are of a similar size to ourselves but have a better record against the Old Firm have also suffered relegations in this period where we've been awful against the two headed monster. I'm not saying we shouldn't be aiming for both, but if it's staying up or a better record against them... I know which I prefer... Expand Yes and a few of them have also won silverware, three times in the last ten year in St.Johnstone’s case. I would certainly prefer that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelllfan Posted February 21, 2024 Report Share Posted February 21, 2024 I Have no hope at all Id start Oxborough Mcginn Blaney Casey Devine Miller Davor Gent Spittal Bair Obika (Purley because he can hold the ball up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 21, 2024 Report Share Posted February 21, 2024 Kelly (wont be dropped) McGinn Casey Blaney Devine Miller Davor Spittal Gent Vale Bair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 21, 2024 Report Share Posted February 21, 2024 Random, but why not... Oxborough Devine McGinn Blaney Buyabu Davor Spittal Miller Gent Bair Vale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted February 21, 2024 Report Share Posted February 21, 2024 On 2/21/2024 at 11:32 AM, thewelllfan said: I Have no hope at all Id start Oxborough Mcginn Blaney Casey Devine Miller Davor Gent Spittal Bair Obika (Purley because he can hold the ball up) Expand Obika in the team is like starting with 10 men, he offers nothing, Vale has a lot more pace than Obika so id keep him up front with Bair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelllfan Posted February 21, 2024 Report Share Posted February 21, 2024 On 2/21/2024 at 12:15 PM, Spiderpig said: Obika in the team is like starting with 10 men, he offers nothing, Vale has a lot more pace than Obika so id keep him up front with Bair. Expand I agree normally but against a team like Celtic who struggle aireally he could be very useful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted February 21, 2024 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2024 On 2/21/2024 at 11:44 AM, joewarkfanclub said: Kelly (wont be dropped) McGinn Casey Blaney Devine Miller Davor Spittal Gent Vale Bair Expand That’s a bit better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted February 21, 2024 Report Share Posted February 21, 2024 On 2/21/2024 at 7:43 AM, MJC said: Yes and a few of them have also won silverware, three times in the last ten year in St.Johnstone’s case. I would certainly prefer that. Expand That's a separate question but a valid one. The point I'm making here though is that getting points off the Old Firm isn't always a barometer for a successful league season. Would I like to get results against them more often? Of course. But I refuse to get hung up about it. Just think of it as having a couple of bogey teams... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 21, 2024 Report Share Posted February 21, 2024 On 2/21/2024 at 12:35 PM, thewelllfan said: I agree normally but against a team like Celtic who struggle aireally he could be very useful Expand Obika isnt very good in the air though. He rarely wins a header. He is much better with the ball into his chest or feet, but Vale can do all of those things and is much quicker. Id love for the big man to he a success, but unless he stays fit enough to get a run of games soon, Im afraid Id be cutting my losses with him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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