Spiderpig Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 12 hours ago, wellgirl said: Completely disagree re Ebiye. Irrespective of the mistakes Kettlewell made today think he knows better than us if someone is fit enough to be brought on. No professional football manager is going to take up a subs place on the bench with a player who is not fit to play as you never know how the game will go and what cover might be needed. So SK knew Ebiye was fit to play, hence his inclusion in the squad, but bringing on two academy players, both of whom are nowhere near ready for the 1st team instead of him when we were chasing the game was an error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellwell91 Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 We should ask for the audio between Collum and VAR bet it would make an interesting listen. NOT a chance of it being released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 15 minutes ago, wellwell91 said: We should ask for the audio between Collum and VAR bet it would make an interesting listen. NOT a chance of it being released The whole set up is not fit for purpose, bargin basement technology operated by officials of questionable ability and overseen by a culture of secrecy and no liability or acknowledgement of errors. The clubs have the power to get changes made and make the process more transparent and accountable but I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 I'm actually at the stage of being so scunnered with VAR I'm seriously thinking about going back to watch games in the WOSL. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 Launch that fucking VAR. as I’ve said repeatedly they’re now moving to actively seeking ways to “disallow” goals. Its killing the game and I bet I’m not the only person that’s nearly had enough. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 10 minutes ago, steelman1991 said: Launch that fucking VAR. as I’ve said repeatedly they’re now moving to actively seeking ways to “disallow” goals. Its killing the game and I bet I’m not the only person that’s nearly had enough. completely agree - purpose like a few have mentioned is to correct an obvious error. Feels like there's a bunch of people desperate to prove their value in each and every game, who quite frankly we don't need. There's enough hangers on in footy as it is, having bunch of non players looking at freeze frames is a nonsense. Even with freeze frames I really can't see how Bair handled the ball. Goal should have been allowed. Re Shinnie - for me and in the spirit of the game, thats never a penalty either. I'd have been livid if we got a pen against us for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 If that had been a Sellik goal disallowed yesterday we would never have heard the end of it. Separately though we were disappointing yesterday with wrong starting line up and our star players apart from young Lennon off form. And a howler from Bevis which led to corner for their goal. As I have said before a big loveable guy but prone to so many mistakes. Kelly also just looks like a guy with hee haw confidence. I don't think he will make Euros squad now which would be so harsh on him but probably correct call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 13 minutes ago, steelman1991 said: Launch that fucking VAR. as I’ve said repeatedly they’re now moving to actively seeking ways to “disallow” goals. Its killing the game and I bet I’m not the only person that’s nearly had enough. 100% agree, I've just watched the sportscene coverage and both Var decisions were a feckin disgrace, and cost us the chance of at least a point yesterday. We all have a laugh at the ugly sisters when the moan about bad var calls, but all the clubs should be doing the same and calling g this nonsense out as its verging on incompetence now by the alleged officials who get away with shite like we saw yesterday with no fear of censure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 Just watched the TV highlights and agree about the VAR calls. VAR would work fine its the officiating and inconsistencies that are ruining it. From admittedly limited highlights, our defending looked horrendous yesterday and not just at the goal. The common theme is Aberdeen players being allowed time and space to do pretty much what they wanted in and around our box. From what I saw, Aberdeen did look better organised defensively than us and made us work hard for any effort on goal. In the coming close season, our defence needs an overhaul. Against my better judgement, I watched about 15 minutes of the Wolves V Coventry game and the contrast with our defending was immense. The game was faster and far more physical with both teams working damned hard off the ball to close opponents down and deny them any space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 17 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: completely agree - purpose like a few have mentioned is to correct an obvious error. Feels like there's a bunch of people desperate to prove their value in each and every game, who quite frankly we don't need. There's enough hangers on in footy as it is, having bunch of non players looking at freeze frames is a nonsense. Even with freeze frames I really can't see how Bair handled the ball. Goal should have been allowed. Re Shinnie - for me and in the spirit of the game, thats never a penalty either. I'd have been livid if we got a pen against us for that. I've heard this idea before, if check takes more than 30 secs, it's not clear and obvious, original decision stands , var should've been a good thing but they're wasting it. It's only the paying public who aren't been listened to though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 Our ‘Goal’ The referee had a clear and unobstructed view and he didn’t see anything wrong with it. No Aberdeen player thought there was anything wrong with it. Three highly experienced ex-professional players didn’t think there was anything wrong with it. Some faceless clown in a TV studio in Glasgow took 4 minutes to examine it before calling the referee to the pitch side monitor. There were 3 big decisions last week at Tynecastle and the match referee and VAR got them all wrong. If all of these incidents don’t send a clear message to the SFA that their use of the VAR system is utterly wrong then nothing will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted March 17 Author Report Share Posted March 17 New chant from the fans 🎵Red card for the VAR🎵 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 I was in favour of VAR - or more the idea of VAR - but now I think it’s a joke, not just here but down south as well. If it’s going to be kept it needs to be stripped back to basic’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Wee Dougie said: Let me raise this point. As we all know, there have been occasions where VAR, has been proved wrong and an apology forthcoming from the hierarchy etc. If we could follow horseracing, where a horse gets disqualified, but, thereafter owners appeal, the original stewards result is then reversed and the 2nd awarded the race. Imagine if that was brought into football, wherby instead of an apology, a goal is correctly given or correctly ruled out, therby resulting in a change of result, now that would be a large can of worms to open. Couldn't possibly work. Every goal changes a game and the way both teams approach it. Imagine a team was one nil up in a must win game to avoid relegation, lost a late-ish equaliser which was subsequently chopped off for handball, sat in and got the 3 points to stay up. Then, a day or two later, the decision is reversed and they're relegated. The fall-out would be epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Wee Dougie said: Let me raise this point. As we all know, there have been occasions where VAR, has been proved wrong and an apology forthcoming from the hierarchy etc. If we could follow horseracing, where a horse gets disqualified, but, thereafter owners appeal, the original stewards result is then reversed and the 2nd awarded the race. Imagine if that was brought into football, wherby instead of an apology, a goal is correctly given or correctly ruled out, therby resulting in a change of result, now that would be a large can of worms to open. I like the concept but the difference is that in horse racing the race is completed and so run out in full. The disqualification....or subsequent re-instatement.......happens after the race is completed. So it is easy to implement and the way the race is run is not affected. Now, if games were to be replayed........ In all seriousness, I just want to go back to living with referee errors and controversy. It feels so much more painful nowadays and I put that down to VAR, or at least the people involved in coming up with random outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coatsy Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 What we need is transparency every other sport can transmit the audio between the VAR and th Ref why is that not done in football? If its not conclusive the onfield decision stands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, Wee Dougie said: The fall out is Epic at the moment. An Old Firm title decider, decided by VAR then overturned by the SFA - you ain't seen nothing yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Coatsy said: What we need is transparency every other sport can transmit the audio between the VAR and th Ref why is that not done in football? If its not conclusive the onfield decision stands If I heard the audio I'd probably be twice as pissed off as I am just now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretzel Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 9 hours ago, santheman said: If I heard the audio I'd probably be twice as pissed off as I am just now. Willie's comments should have been, that there was no need to call me over to the monitor Steven as per the rules it's only the scorer we can penalise for handling it. But this is Scottish refs we are talking about, I mean surely after Kettlewell's complaint about the similar incident against County earlier in the season that refs take interest in these types of things. It's just mad to think that if the ball brushed a defender's bicep instead there would not have even been a mention of a penalty. I'm actually feeling quite scunnered by VAR tbh, I know it's the arseholes using it that's to blame but the inconsistencies and looking for any small thing to penalise someone is massively frustrating. I know I'm getting all precious about it but if it continues down the same path I can see myself opting to do something different on a Saturday afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 Neil McCann said on Sportscene that Steven McLean was the VAR guy on Saturday so, if true, I'm hardly surprised they made an utter Gove of it all. Collum and McLean: a combo made in hell. Get VAR in the sea. It's costly, does not adhere to its original principle of rectifying obvious mistakes and completely spoils the match experience while we all wait around for some eagle-eyed ninny in a studio to find a reason to justify his existence. As in so many areas of modern life, common sense seems a rare commodity. Like some commenters above, I heard people around me in the POD saying that VAR is putting them off coming to games, which is a woeful state of affairs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 21 minutes ago, pretzel said: Willie's comments should have been, that there was no need to call me over to the monitor Steven as per the rules it's only the scorer we can penalise for handling it. But this is Scottish refs we are talking about, I mean surely after Kettlewell's complaint about the similar incident against County earlier in the season that refs take interest in these types of things. It's just mad to think that if the ball brushed a defender's bicep instead there would not have even been a mention of a penalty. I'm actually feeling quite scunnered by VAR tbh, I know it's the arseholes using it that's to blame but the inconsistencies and looking for any small thing to penalise someone is massively frustrating. I know I'm getting all precious about it but if it continues down the same path I can see myself opting to do something different on a Saturday afternoon. It's all fans on all the other teams forums are talking about and saying much the same thing as us. It's sucked the enjoyment out of the game for me. Maybe we all need to get together and do something about it like an open letter from every fan group to their respective club and the SFA telling them to get it in the bin. I'd even support a day of action by everyone boycotting a game one weekend to send a message. That's how f*****g annoyed and angry I feel right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnstone Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 I’ve said it many times that VAR is ruining the match day experience for fans. I would think every fan in Scotland would want rid of it. Another point we don’t have the proper setup for it either. We have a handful of cameras at games, some stadiums have more cameras than others. How is that a level playing field for anyone? I know this sounds crazy but I think it’s made the refs job harder. That Lennon Miller goal stands every day of the week, yet Collum gets told to go to the monitor and then has a decision to make, where without VAR nobody will even bat an eyelid at this. My mate who is a Celtic fan said there were 5 VAR decisions at parkhead yesterday and every time they are just sitting in the stadium listening to fans booing! How is it in any way improved our game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 In principle, VAR is a great idea and I fully support it but not the way in which its being implemented. I didn't know for example for there are more cameras in some stadia than others...thats simply not fair. VAR is throwing up many issues, that have been identified and discussed on here. What hasn't changed and is now being thrust into the spotlight, is refereeing inconsistencies. One specific example is the handball decisions in the Ross County and Aberdeen games. Now which is it? If the ball hits another player's hand/arm (i.e. not the scorers) on its path into the net - is that a legitimate goal or not? Yes or no? In this particular case, I see no reason whatever why the SFA, this morning, cannot accept and acknowledge that this was an issue on Saturday (I pick my words carefully so as not to criticise officials) and issue a simple statement to clubs, fans and the media to clarify its position. All it needs to say is whether such an incident should be classed as a foul or not. That being the case, was their guidance on this followed in games by officials? As its stands, everyone is confused by this particular issue. Will it happen - NO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 There's no way there should be this much controversy over something that was brought in to help the game,VAR has been a disaster from the get go and needs to be binned until such time it's going to be used in a way that is fitting for a professional league,sadly in our cause that's likely to never happen as VAR is just another example of how poorly the game in this country is run.im in the same boat as others and that VAR has sucked any enjoyment out of going to the football and the thought of the same next season is grim already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 Interesting. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68597180 Crawford Allan: Scottish FA head of referees to leave post in summer amid VAR review Last updated on1 minute ago1 minute ago.From the sectionScottish Crawford Allan has overseen the introduction of VAR during his four years in charge Scotland's head of referees, Crawford Allan, is to leave his post at the end of the season as the Scottish FA conducts a review of the role in light of ongoing VAR controversies. The governing body says Allan, who has been in post for four years, is leaving "to pursue new opportunities". SFA chief executive Ian Maxwell admits that "VAR processes need to improve". But he urged all to "work together to alleviate the unsustainable pressure on match officials and VAR operators". 'Ridiculous' to disallow Motherwell goal VAR cost us a point - Hearts' Naismith Maxwell wants "to remove the convenient blame culture attached to subjective or unpopular decisions and to ensure more focus is placed on the entertainers rather than the on-field facilitators". He told the SFA website: "This includes all key external stakeholders having a better understanding of the laws of the game, the lines of intervention for VAR and the adopted guidance within Scottish football, especially in subjective areas such as the handball law." The SFA it has started its search to "ensure an experienced replacement will be in place for the new season". "This will coincide with a planned review of the operational priorities of the department based on the insights to date from VAR implementation, as well as feedback from category one match officials and VAR operators, the Scottish FA's professional game board, the SPFL's competitions working group and the independent review panel," Maxwell said. The chief executive thanked Allan for "his efforts in implementing VAR within Scottish football and guiding refereeing through the Covid-19 pandemic", describing the introduction of video assistant referee system as "a thankless task". Allan considers it "an honour" to have been in charge "during such an historic period of change" following his 30 years as a match official, including 15 years in the top-flight. "While there are refinements and improvements to be made to VAR, as there are in leagues across the world, it has taken a monumental effort from my team at the Scottish FA and the match officials to have it embedded in the Premiership and cup matches at Hampden Park," he said. "VAR is only one aspect of the role, albeit one that can overshadow the positive strides we have taken forward." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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