fizoxy Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 Football and politics have been intertwined from pretty much day one, and people should be able to express their views, whether political or otherwise, on social media should they wish. You can choose not to follow the person, or choose not to be triggered by it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 On 8/12/2024 at 11:57 PM, MWellChilders said: I appreciate Sally for working hard to make sure we eventually got to see the meeting. Thank you Sally! Chris Childers Welcome to the American/living in America contingent of 'well fans. We'll be bigger than the East of Scotland branch soon enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 1 minute ago, fizoxy said: Football and politics have been intertwined from pretty much day one, and people should be able to express their views, whether political or otherwise, on social media should they wish. You can choose not to follow the person, or choose not to be triggered by it. It's not even that political. Millions of people have taken the Belfast mural tours, 13 million people voted for Corbyn for PM. It's fairly tame stuff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 10 minutes ago, GS78 said: Paid or Unpaid - He is still representing our Club, end of story. There's nothing better than someone starting a bit of a stramash only to respond with "end of story" when they get some push back. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 2 minutes ago, steelboy said: It's not even that political. Millions of people have taken the Belfast mural tours, 13 million people voted for Corbyn for PM. It's fairly tame stuff. Well aye, that’s also a point. An Instagram story of a Bobby Sands mural followed by one of King Billy doesn’t suggest any political leanings but that doesn’t suit the narrative. If you wanted to dig up political posts from today, they could have highlighted when I was critical of the Scottish Government on rail fares but again, maybe that doesn’t suit the narrative. If we’re going to talk about club representatives being political; Jim McMahon appeared on BBC Question Time (or maybe it was Debate Night) whilst he was in the role. He was also pictured campaigning for Scottish Labour whilst Chairman. I should add that I’ve absolutely no issue with that whatsoever, but it’s worth highlighting. Is it that we don’t want people associated with the club posting about politics or we don’t want them posting about politics that you don’t agree with? 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 Everyone's entitled to hold their own political and social views and as long as they post them on their own social media accounts and not on anything related to the club I'm fine with it. I do understand however why some people might have reservations about someone with official connections to the club voicing what they consider to be controversial views. Depends what side of the fence you're on I suppose. At the end of the day he's a Motherwell fan and has worked tirelessly for the Well Society and that's what counts for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GawnUpBy? Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, GS78 said: Don't think there is any need for foul language, surely we are adults and can behave like adults? Isn’t it ironic? Don’t you think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 I saw @Dee's social media posting. I saw he had murals and pics of both sides of the coin. Do you know what I thought of that? Nothing, I'm a grown up. FWIW politics is involved in everything we do. Football or otherwise. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 10 minutes ago, santheman said: Everyone's entitled to hold their own political and social views and as long as they post them on their own social media accounts and not on anything related to the club I'm fine with it. I do understand however why some people might have reservations about someone with official connections to the club voicing what might be considered controversial views. Depends what side of the fence you're on I suppose. This is where I am too. Personally I couldn't care less what political views someone holds, providing it doesn't directly impact on any aspects of the club. The problem most commonly arises when someone holds far left or right views, which aren't necessarily wrong per se. For that reason, the club and Society should have some boundaries in place. This ensures consistency and everyone knows where they stand. All that said, posts which promote sectarianism, racism, terrorism, misogyny and misandry etc should not be acceptable - common sense really. If Derek has posted images showing both sides as part of a tour (I don't use Instagram so I hadn't seen them) then that's fine by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Blues Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 2 hours ago, ML1 said: Derek is a bell end 1 hour ago, ML1 said: potty mouth Aye, very good. Don't let the door hit you on the arse on your way out. 2 hours ago, GS78 said: After consideration, myself and others have removed/cancelled our WS memberships as from today. See above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 2 hours ago, GS78 said: After consideration, myself and others have removed/cancelled our WS memberships……. New member, did you just join to post that? Petty rage and indignation is not a good look mate - please cancel your membership here if that’s going to be your level of posting PS, I was in Belfast for a punk concert at the weekend, took the bus tour (and some pictures), have left wing socialist views, don’t like sanctimonious folk and general bawbags - if I was inclined to stand for the WS board would that make me an unsuitable candidate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 Nice to see a couple of bigots have outed themselves tonight. Keep up the good work, Derek. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 My political leanings are very left wing - however on social media I talk to many people who's views are completely opposed to mine. Not everyone is going to have their politics slap bang in the centre. If I were standing for the well society board which I wouldn't ever do I really would not want to have to dilute myself on my own social media because my views are a huge part of who I am. Would I vote for a well society board member who was very right wing? No. But other people might - the point is you only know someone's views when they express them There has to be an argument that people can post their own views on their own socials without it being linked to Motherwell football club - or you'll get to a point where people don't stand for election People shouldn't have to be apolitical to be a well society board member Also - if people really do think football and politics dont mix then why do our club and other clubs do toy drives and food bank collections? That all comes from politics - whether we like it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 2 hours ago, GS78 said: After consideration, myself and others have removed/cancelled our WS memberships as from today. We will continue to support the club in other ways but can no longer support the WS when elected members such as Derek are expressing deep political views on well known social media platforms that don't represent and promote our club in good light. I'll ask the obvious question then. Given that you seem to have been selective in the photos you chose to post, could you clarify whether you and your pals would have reacted similarly had he posted photos only representing the other side of the divide? And why did you not show those other ones? The answer to those questions might tell us more about you and your mates than it does about Derek. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 Also - and this will be the hill I die on. Don't out people like this and plaster their socials all over a forum to try and turn other people against them . (it's horrible) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 5 hours ago, MWellChilders said: Since I am American and I lost the election, I feel only fair to call it rigged and stolen election. Trump would be proud. LOL. I am clearly joking for those who dont get the joke. I voted for you and honestly I really hope a lot of consideration is given to how we can engage fans from the US. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 22 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Would I vote for a well society board member who was very right wing? No. But other people might - the point is you only know someone's views when they express them There has to be an argument that people can post their own views on their own socials without it being linked to Motherwell football club - or you'll get to a point where people don't stand for election People shouldn't have to be apolitical to be a well society board member Also - if people really do think football and politics dont mix then why do our club and other clubs do toy drives and food bank collections? That all comes from politics - whether we like it or not. Whilst I agree with a fair bit of your post, I don't agree that politics and football should mix. Can I ask if you'd vote for a "right wing" candidate who posted their legal, as opposed to illegal, views online, if they didn't let them affect their Society work/views and would do a good job or has done a good job for the Society? Personally, I couldn't give a toss what someone's politics are, providing they're legal and they don't let them affect any Society/club work. In such a case, like Derek, its what they have done for the Society or would do for the Society that would determine my vote. Toy drives and food banks? For some it might be political but for others, like me, its never entered my head. No ulterior motives. It just seems like a good thing to do; no more no less. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
du_du_dubordeaux Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 Listen I’ve seen in Derek’s living room window. He’s got a tricolour rug right in front of the tele. Enough is enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron_Mcd Posted August 20 Author Report Share Posted August 20 Just one contribution from me, Nick Mackie has run for the Well Society board twice and works with the MFC Heritage, he works for a Tory MSP, have the people having a hissy fit over DW's Instagram ever mentioned that or is their outrage only for the stuff they disagree with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 2 hours ago, Dee said: If we’re going to talk about club representatives being political; Jim McMahon appeared on BBC Question Time (or maybe it was Debate Night) whilst he was in the role. He was also pictured campaigning for Scottish Labour whilst Chairman Andrew Wilson as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 17 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: Whilst I agree with a fair bit of your post, I don't agree that politics and football should mix. Can I ask if you'd vote for a "right wing" candidate who posted their legal, as opposed to illegal, views online, if they didn't let them affect their Society work/views and would do a good job or has done a good job for the Society? Personally, I couldn't give a toss what someone's politics are, providing they're legal and they don't let them affect any Society/club work. In such a case, like Derek, its what they have done for the Society or would do for the Society that would determine my vote. Toy drives and food banks? For some it might be political but for others, like me, its never entered my head. No ulterior motives. It just seems like a good thing to do; no more no less. Yeah. I would vote for someone whose politics were completely opposed to mine as long as they weren't a fascist. There's a line I would draw. I didn't actually vote for Derek as it happens - but I thought he would be re elected and he was. Like I said previously i am very left wing but I speak to people who have completely opposite views to mine. The point is Derek has put his views out there - other people haven't and I think he should have the right to. I think toy drives and food banks are political. People have been driven into poverty by Govt policies - me included Absolutely Im with you on the not giving a toss thing but if someone came out as being a Tommy fan boy - game over - not that I think anyone would. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with being working class and left wing - I am What is ridiculous about this is that anyone who looks at Dereks twitter can see hes got certain political views. I'd say Jay is the same - why is this only an issue now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 4 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Yeah. I would vote for someone whose politics were completely opposed to mine as long as they weren't a fascist. There's a line I would draw. We're in agreement then that political views wouldn't enter into our voting intention, providing they didn't influence Society business and weren't illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 15 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: Whilst I agree with a fair bit of your post, I don't agree that politics and football should mix. Can I ask if you'd vote for a "right wing" candidate who posted their legal, as opposed to illegal, views online, if they didn't let them affect their Society work/views and would do a good job or has done a good job for the Society? Personally, I couldn't give a toss what someone's politics are, providing they're legal and they don't let them affect any Society/club work. In such a case, like Derek, its what they have done for the Society or would do for the Society that would determine my vote. Toy drives and food banks? For some it might be political but for others, like me, its never entered my head. No ulterior motives. It just seems like a good thing to do; no more no less. Agree 100% with your views re political leanings of potential board members but sadly the need for drives is a political issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 I'd argue that Les Hutchison saved out club and helped structure it for a healthy future; and I'll always be grateful for that. I'm 100% sure his politics are very different from mine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 1 minute ago, Kmcalpin said: We're in agreement then that political views wouldn't enter into our voting intention, providing they didn't influence Society business and weren't illegal. Completely this. I would have no issue with voting for someone who didn't agree with me politically. The issue would be if they were racist etc like you said in an earlier post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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