Cameron_Mcd Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 To be perfectly honest I'm not bothered if we stay or leave Fir Park, however if it's just really the Main Stand causing the issues then would it not make more sense to just knock that down and restart rather than build an entire new stadium in an area with no proper transport, I'm not not sure of the logistics right enough. I suspect the money spent on the East Stand and the pitch over the last few years means we're not moving away from FP any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 9 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said: The thought of moving to Ravenscraig gives me the heeby jeebies Me too. No thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted October 2 Author Report Share Posted October 2 I get the arguments both for and against moving our tradional home but Ravenscraig is not that far away. Its not as if we'd be moving to Shotts, Carluke or even Newmains. The Motherwell area is changing and evolving and we need to accept that. The Motherwell area of 1900 was very very different to the area today, which will be very different to the area of 2100. We can't stop change and fossilise the area. Sorry I digress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 Vietnam 91's post on P&B provides a very informative document on the pro's and cons of both scenarios. Remaining at Fir Park and redeveloping the POD is the lowest cost/risk scenario. But if we are serious about building a club for the future then we need to move. The problem with that scenario is that it is expensive and needs so much good will to make it happen. However, if done properly and it includes retail, conferencing, hotel and other revenue generating avenues, it could actually move us substantially as a club. However, it would need done correctly and there would be a lot of ducks to line up as Dundee have found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 6 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Vietnam 91's post on P&B provides a very informative document on the pro's and cons of both scenarios. Remaining at Fir Park and redeveloping the POD is the lowest cost/risk scenario. But if we are serious about building a club for the future then we need to move. The problem with that scenario is that it is expensive and needs so much good will to make it happen. However, if done properly and it includes retail, conferencing, hotel and other revenue generating avenues, it could actually move us substantially as a club. However, it would need done correctly and there would be a lot of ducks to line up as Dundee have found. Retail , conferincing , revenue generating avenues ? Gone are the days when our ground was worth any major money. We are a wee football club in a generally poor area right next door to Scotlands biggest supported and bigoted clubs. I admire the ambition but we need to be realistic i think. Stay at Fir Park and concentrate on being a football team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 24 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: I get the arguments both for and against moving our tradional home but Ravenscraig is not that far away. Its not as if we'd be moving to Shotts, Carluke or even Newmains. The Motherwell area is changing and evolving and we need to accept that. The Motherwell area of 1900 was very very different to the area today, which will be very different to the area of 2100. We can't stop change and fossilise the area. Sorry I digress. If they moved to Ravenscraig I think that would be pretty much my last home game and I would go and see them away instead. I personally see no reason to move Motherwell fc out of town. Someone already said earlier on that it had been brought up at an AGM and the club said it wasn't happening And with respect to Stephen just because he's done a thread on it doesn't mean its viable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 2 minutes ago, stv said: Retail , conferincing , revenue generating avenues ? Gone are the days when our ground was worth any major money. We are a wee football club in a generally poor area right next door to Scotlands biggest supported and bigoted clubs. I admire the ambition but we need to be realistic i think. Stay at Fir Park and concentrate on being a football team. Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 16 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Vietnam 91's post on P&B provides a very informative document on the pro's and cons of both scenarios. Remaining at Fir Park and redeveloping the POD is the lowest cost/risk scenario. But if we are serious about building a club for the future then we need to move. The problem with that scenario is that it is expensive and needs so much good will to make it happen. However, if done properly and it includes retail, conferencing, hotel and other revenue generating avenues, it could actually move us substantially as a club. However, it would need done correctly and there would be a lot of ducks to line up as Dundee have found. I don't think we do need to move. I think we are doing ok as we are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 2 minutes ago, stv said: Retail , conferincing , revenue generating avenues ? Gone are the days when our ground was worth any major money. We are a wee football club in a generally poor area right next door to Scotlands biggest supported and bigoted clubs. I admire the ambition but we need to be realistic i think. Stay at Fir Park and concentrate on being a football team. I didnt say I was for or against. I just pointed out that there was a decent document showing the pros and cons of both sides. I found it quite interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 Just now, wellgirl said: I don't think we do need to move. I think we are doing ok as we are And you are perfectly entitled to that opinion. Others may look at the information available and disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 Just now, joewarkfanclub said: And you are perfectly entitled to that opinion. Others may look at the information available and disagree. That is also completely ok. But i don't think mfc want to relocate any time soon - they've said as much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 6 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: I didnt say I was for or against. I just pointed out that there was a decent document showing the pros and cons of both sides. I found it quite interesting. Aye its a bit of a choice . But my worst nightmare is an “upgrade” to a soulless ground like St Mirren, St Johnstone bought out the box stadium. Because you can bet your bottom dollar that’s what we will end up with if we move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 22 minutes ago, stv said: Aye its a bit of a choice . But my worst nightmare is an “upgrade” to a soulless ground like St Mirren, St Johnstone bought out the box stadium. Because you can bet your bottom dollar that’s what we will end up with if we move I certainly wouldnt be in favour of that. I think the fact that the WS are going to have much more input in the decision making of club going forward, should mean we will be thinking outside the box a lot more. The younger generation have a much different outlook on what is possible and higher expectations. Of course if the finances just dont stack up then Im more than happy to remain at a redeveloped Fir Park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 28 minutes ago, wellgirl said: That is also completely ok. But i don't think mfc want to relocate any time soon - they've said as much Brian Caldwell certainly indicated that there are no plans in the pipeline at present. But we cant ignore the situation in the POD forever...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 45 minutes ago, wellgirl said: If they moved to Ravenscraig I think that would be pretty much my last home game and I would go and see them away instead. I personally see no reason to move Motherwell fc out of town. Someone already said earlier on that it had been brought up at an AGM and the club said it wasn't happening And with respect to Stephen just because he's done a thread on it doesn't mean its viable I’m definitely not a fan of moving away from FP but if it happens - wether I agree or not - then I will follow, really don’t get your thought process on not going to a new stadium, maybe you could explain it please? I agree that we’re not moving (or planning to rebuild FP) at the moment but I believe thats probably more down to lack of cash rather than anything else - although if I win the euro on Friday that may change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 5 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said: I’m definitely not a fan of moving away from FP but if it happens - wether I agree or not - then I will follow, really don’t get your thought process on not going to a new stadium, maybe you could explain it please? I agree that we’re not moving (or planning to rebuild FP) at the moment but I believe thats probably more down to lack of cash rather than anything else - although if I win the euro on Friday that may change Because I don't drive and going to somewhere out of town would be an issue - particularly as there are no buses that go to Ravenscraig from where I live just now apart from at night 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 31 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Brian Caldwell certainly indicated that there are no plans in the pipeline at present. But we cant ignore the situation in the POD forever...... How do we fund moving to a new stadium? I can't see the club moving anytime soon. I get that the Pod badly needs upgraded - just not sure the club is going to relocate because of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 42 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: The younger generation have a much different outlook on what is possible and higher expectations. After a few decades more watching us ,that will slowly have drained from them and reality will set in.😜 Then the expectations will be as low as mine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 16 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Because I don't drive and going to somewhere out of town would be an issue - particularly as there are no buses that go to Ravenscraig from where I live just now apart from at night The new Falkirk stadium was bulit in Grangemouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 10 minutes ago, stv said: The new Falkirk stadium was bulit in Grangemouth. I've already explained why I would find it difficult to go to Ravenscraig - particularly as at this point in time I also have mobility issues and I don't drive which means going to a stadium out of town with no bus links would be pretty much impossible for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndrew7 Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 7 hours ago, wellgirl said: I've already explained why I would find it difficult to go to Ravenscraig - particularly as at this point in time I also have mobility issues and I don't drive which means going to a stadium out of town with no bus links would be pretty much impossible for me. Moving to Ravenscraig in its current state (and with a lack of any real future planning about what it will become outside of the previous pipe dreams) is a total no-go for me. If we did move there, you'd expect public transport links to improve; the Club would need to effectively demand they did otherwise everyone would be driving or walking. The former wouldn't get past planning and the latter, as you rightly point out, isn't possible for quite a few fans. 8 hours ago, stv said: The new Falkirk stadium was bulit in Grangemouth. ... and is an absolute pain the arse to get to as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted October 3 Author Report Share Posted October 3 8 hours ago, wellgirl said: I've already explained why I would find it difficult to go to Ravenscraig - particularly as at this point in time I also have mobility issues and I don't drive which means going to a stadium out of town with no bus links would be pretty much impossible for me. That would be your personal decision of course and we must respect that. However, I'm baffled as to why you would attend away games instead. The likes of McDiarmid Park, Easter Road, Tynecastle, Tannadice, Dens Park, Pittodrie and Victoria Park are not exactly cheap, easy or quick to get to, either by car or by publc transport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 Ravenscraig has been a white elephant for 25 years now. Fir Park is our home, the goal should be a new main stand. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 25 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: That would be your personal decision of course and we must respect that. However, I'm baffled as to why you would attend away games instead. The likes of McDiarmid Park, Easter Road, Tynecastle, Tannadice, Dens Park, Pittodrie and Victoria Park are not exactly cheap, easy or quick to get to, either by car or by publc transport. It would only be an issue as I said previously if there weren't buses that would go to the ground. I actually don't go to away games at the moment - but if I couldn't get to Ravenscraig if we moved then I would go to the odd away game here and there. I don't drive - so it would be by supporters bus - at the moment I get free bus travel and will for a couple of years at least - but not really sure I would want to be going to away games on public transport -not with my sense of direction anyway It's all hypothetical anyway obviously at the moment as you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballso Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 12 hours ago, wellgirl said: I've already explained why I would find it difficult to go to Ravenscraig - particularly as at this point in time I also have mobility issues and I don't drive which means going to a stadium out of town with no bus links would be pretty much impossible for me. There has been a regular bus service going from Motherwell town centre, up via Jerviston and back in a loop via Windmillhill Street for over a year now. https://www.spt.co.uk/media/1odkttib/service__92.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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