wellgirl Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 2 minutes ago, Ballso said: There has been a regular bus service going from Motherwell town centre, up via Jerviston and back in a loop via Windmillhill Street for over a year now. https://www.spt.co.uk/media/1odkttib/service__92.pdf That would be doable. Thanks for the information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodo Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 Hearts playing in lovely Stadium right now blueprint for Fir Park going forward ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 The moving chat has made the Herald - Graeme McGarry has done a piece on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodo Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 1 minute ago, wellgirl said: The moving chat has made the Herald - Graeme McGarry has done a piece on it Is he for staying or moving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 2 minutes ago, Yodo said: Is he for staying or moving Staying - but recognises why we might need to consider moving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 19 hours ago, wellgirl said: That is also completely ok. But i don't think mfc want to relocate any time soon - they've said as much Wanting to relocate is way different to medium to long term planning to relocate. Admirable production and well researched by Mr Cameron and of interest to many. It’s a subject that’s been done to death on here though and nothing new offered by parochial thinking. Currently not viable, funding isn’t available. That’s accepted - I’d wager that’s the outlook being taken by our CEO rather than a flat ‘no’ to any move. Did he offer opinion on the fanciful notion of developing current home? if it hadn’t been for the financial collapse in 2008, I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to think we’d already be part of a wider development before now as would Motherwell Town Centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 4 minutes ago, Onthefringes said: Wanting to relocate is way different to medium to long term planning to relocate. Admirable production and well researched by Mr Cameron and of interest to many. It’s a subject that’s been done to death on here though and nothing new offered by parochial thinking. Currently not viable, funding isn’t available. That’s accepted - I’d wager that’s the outlook being taken by our CEO rather than a flat ‘no’ to any move. Did he offer opinion on the fanciful notion of developing current home? if it hadn’t been for the financial collapse in 2008, I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to think we’d already be part of a wider development before now as would Motherwell Town Centre. I have no idea to be honest - I wasn't at the AGM where it was discussed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goggles & Flippers Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 As the author I'm breaking my self imposed exile in the aftermath of Madwullie and Andy Patterson's passing. I didn't feel the need to do so when canvassing for votes in the recent WS election. It has saddened me to read how the thread has seemingly been hijacked for almost half it's content by talk of current bus routes in 2024 for a project that would not, even if given a green light, be a thing until the 2030's. Talk about running before you are even walking. Safe to say a stadium and any ancillary services within the footprint would be a draw for public transport provision, last time I looked First Bus is a commercial operation. There is also a rail line linking Wishaw and Carfin to the north of the site which may justify a station the same way Airbles got one 35 years ago. The most likely position before geotechnical surveys would be probably within 2km of Fir Park. If Dalziel plate mill does not last then I'd imagine the walk from the mini roundabout on Windmillhill Street near Crosshill Church would be less or commensurate to FP. More hassle if you live in Greenacres, less if you live in Jerviston. If you're looking at a move as how will it affect you personally opposed rather than how will it affect the club we collectively support then not only is it a bit short sighted but a little bit selfish. It's a document produced at it's core to provoke sensible and measured debate on where we are and where we could be going. The main things I hoped people would take is if a move actioned is a design that promotes atmosphere, the need for it to be used 24/7 both as an arena and in the other spaces within the building(s) and how due to the nature of our skewed league we could take advantage of that to our financial advantage and use the in part to finance it. We already have bowed to the sectarian pound with a skewed South/McLean stand after all, so we have previous. A new POD would involve that space currently offer unusable for 12-18 months, all significant matchday hospitality, rehoming the dressing rooms, offices, etc. It would not be allowed to alter much from the current floorplan or height due to planning laws. We would take a significant hit to do so. The Cooper is being assessed for a lift but probably it and the East/Hunter are OK with minor maintenance for 10-15 years. I was told the South faces a high six figure sum to fix it's issues and for a 30 year old structure you would expect that. Add all of these costs and disruption together, add in any land value (however not £6m as club accounts indicate) then you're on the way to putting a sizeable dent on a new home. A lot has been made of Brian's comments at the Q&A (not AGM) in early August where mintymac asked the question. I was at the meeting and you've got to give Brian's answer context, in the door a few months, no prior affiliation to the club or history, WS successfully beat off Erik .... at the time the subtext was let's all calm down and regroup. To commit at a fan Q&A to looking elsewhere would have been a nuclear bomb on both forums, facebook and twitter. The let's just plod on answer is one I would have given if CEO and asked the same question and I know 'Flow would have too (despite a preference to move). 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted October 3 Author Report Share Posted October 3 Excellent post Stephen. I hope it stimulates informed long term discussion. This issue won't go away. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 It's hard to take of any the council proposals seriously when the only concrete plan that is actually happening is turning Airbles Road into a bypass for HGVs. They used Ravenscraig as an excuse to run down Motherwell town centre, being cynical i'd say any plans for new amenities are basically deflection from the reality that they are going to run 1000 lorries a day in and out of the new rail freight hub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 46 minutes ago, Goggles & Flippers said: As the author I'm breaking my self imposed exile in the aftermath of Madwullie and Andy Patterson's passing. I didn't feel the need to do so when canvassing for votes in the recent WS election. It has saddened me to read how the thread has seemingly been hijacked for almost half it's content by talk of current bus routes in 2024 for a project that would not, even if given a green light, be a thing until the 2030's. Talk about running before you are even walking. Safe to say a stadium and any ancillary services within the footprint would be a draw for public transport provision, last time I looked First Bus is a commercial operation. There is also a rail line linking Wishaw and Carfin to the north of the site which may justify a station the same way Airbles got one 35 years ago. The most likely position before geotechnical surveys would be probably within 2km of Fir Park. If Dalziel plate mill does not last then I'd imagine the walk from the mini roundabout on Windmillhill Street near Crosshill Church would be less or commensurate to FP. More hassle if you live in Greenacres, less if you live in Jerviston. If you're looking at a move as how will it affect you personally opposed rather than how will it affect the club we collectively support then not only is it a bit short sighted but a little bit selfish. It's a document produced at it's core to provoke sensible and measured debate on where we are and where we could be going. The main things I hoped people would take is if a move actioned is a design that promotes atmosphere, the need for it to be used 24/7 both as an arena and in the other spaces within the building(s) and how due to the nature of our skewed league we could take advantage of that to our financial advantage and use the in part to finance it. We already have bowed to the sectarian pound with a skewed South/McLean stand after all, so we have previous. A new POD would involve that space currently offer unusable for 12-18 months, all significant matchday hospitality, rehoming the dressing rooms, offices, etc. It would not be allowed to alter much from the current floorplan or height due to planning laws. We would take a significant hit to do so. The Cooper is being assessed for a lift but probably it and the East/Hunter are OK with minor maintenance for 10-15 years. I was told the South faces a high six figure sum to fix it's issues and for a 30 year old structure you would expect that. Add all of these costs and disruption together, add in any land value (however not £6m as club accounts indicate) then you're on the way to putting a sizeable dent on a new home. A lot has been made of Brian's comments at the Q&A (not AGM) in early August where mintymac asked the question. I was at the meeting and you've got to give Brian's answer context, in the door a few months, no prior affiliation to the club or history, WS successfully beat off Erik .... at the time the subtext was let's all calm down and regroup. To commit at a fan Q&A to looking elsewhere would have been a nuclear bomb on both forums, facebook and twitter. The let's just plod on answer is one I would have given if CEO and asked the same question and I know 'Flow would have too (despite a preference to move). Im currently disabled Stephen. So i think I have the right to raise concerns about a move out of a central location to one that isn't. Fine if the buses are put in place. There's not currently one bus that runs to Ravenscraig from where I live apart from at 7pm at night And I think the proposed relocation will affect many more people than it does me First bus had a daytime service to Ravenscraig - and it was withdrawn I didn't try and hijack your thread - on any level. I was just pointing out how tough it would be for me to get to Ravenscraig as someone who doesn't drive and who has mobility issues And if you think I'm selfish - that's up to you - I honestly don't care. You put a thread out on a forum - you'll get people who don't agree with you and people who do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goggles & Flippers Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 19 posts, if bus provision at this moment, today, is your hot take from a forty page document where the first ten outline staying and making the most of Fir Park. You talk of Ravenscraig like its on the moon. Your disability didn't appear to be so much of factor when you advocated boycotting any new stadium but willing to take planes, trains and automobiles to the likes of Almondvale, SMiSA, Tynecastle and Firhill. I hope by the 2030's your disability may have improved to the extent its no longer an issue, you may have even acquired a driving licence by then, who knows. I'm glad any criticism is water off a ducks back, it wasn't intended to upset you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 11 minutes ago, Goggles & Flippers said: Nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 4 minutes ago, Goggles & Flippers said: 19 posts, if bus provision at this moment, today, is your hot take from a forty page document where the first ten outline staying and making the most of Fir Park. You talk of Ravenscraig like its on the moon. Your disability didn't appear to be so much of factor when you advocated boycotting any new stadium but willing to take planes, trains and automobiles to the likes of Almondvale, SMiSA, Tynecastle and Firhill. I hope by the 2030's your disability may have improved to the extent its no longer an issue, you may have even acquired a driving licence by then, who knows. I'm glad any criticism is water off a ducks back, it wasn't intended to upset you. I don't think I said that on any level. I said earlier on that if I was going to be going to an away game Id be going on a supporters bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goggles & Flippers Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 Just now, wellgirl said: Why would you post my name on here - when I've made it very clear I don't want it said I don't frequent on here like I used to, so I am unaware of that request being a thing. You shared your name with me, a stranger, on P&B. However by DM'ing me and asking me to remove it (which I did) then replying while quoting my post it is beyond me. You are aware it embeds my original post with your name you asked me to remove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 Just now, Goggles & Flippers said: I don't frequent on here like I used to, so I am unaware of that request being a thing. You shared your name with me, a stranger, on P&B. However by DM'ing me and asking me to remove it (which I did) then replying while quoting my post it is beyond me. You are aware it embeds my original post with your name you asked me to remove. You posted my name on here for no reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 2 minutes ago, Goggles & Flippers said: I don't frequent on here like I used to, so I am unaware of that request being a thing. You shared your name with me, a stranger, on P&B. However by DM'ing me and asking me to remove it (which I did) then replying while quoting my post it is beyond me. You are aware it embeds my original post with your name you asked me to remove. I didn't know you had removed it. Hth. You should not have posted my name in the first place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goggles & Flippers Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 <Remembers vividly why I moved on from here> Enjoy the rest of your evening. Exile reimposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 11 minutes ago, Goggles & Flippers said: <Remembers vividly why I moved on from here> Enjoy the rest of your evening. Exile reimposed. You've got every right to post on here - there's an ignore button if you don't like certain posters. I also didn't read your 40 page document. I was just chatting with folk on here who were discussing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 On 10/2/2024 at 1:12 PM, well_said said: That looks superb, but even better to cut the south stand to one level to make the heights the same . It also cuts the number of old firm fans in the ground . Win win I think. To recover the shortfall charge them what they charge their own fans for champions League matches. Thats what Id do if we had to redevelop Fir Park cut the top tier off that monstrosity that is the Tommy McLean stand. I'd also try and reduce the size the roofing frontage on the Cooper and any subsequent new stands, its far too big. However all really pie in the sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 6 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Thats what Id do if we had to redevelop Fir Park cut the top tier off that monstrosity that is the Tommy McLean stand. I'd also try and reduce the size the roofing frontage on the Cooper and any subsequent new stands, its far too big. However all really pie in the sky. Iv got a big hacksaw in my toolbox if you want to make a start. Should be nearly done by next home game if you get an early start tomorrow.🪚🪚 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 30 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Thats what Id do if we had to redevelop Fir Park cut the top tier off that monstrosity that is the Tommy McLean stand. I'd also try and reduce the size the roofing frontage on the Cooper and any subsequent new stands, its far too big. However all really pie in the sky. We make a lot of money off that top tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 21 minutes ago, stv said: Iv got a big hacksaw in my toolbox if you want to make a start. Should be nearly done by next home game if you get an early start tomorrow.🪚🪚 Happily chop that thing in two LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 1 hour ago, Goggles & Flippers said: 19 posts, if bus provision at this moment, today, is your hot take from a forty page document where the first ten outline staying and making the most of Fir Park. You talk of Ravenscraig like its on the moon. Your disability didn't appear to be so much of factor when you advocated boycotting any new stadium but willing to take planes, trains and automobiles to the likes of Almondvale, SMiSA, Tynecastle and Firhill. I hope by the 2030's your disability may have improved to the extent its no longer an issue, you may have even acquired a driving licence by then, who knows. I'm glad any criticism is water off a ducks back, it wasn't intended to upset you. That's not what I said on any level I broke my leg in three places. Snapped my right ankle in two and pulled ligaments off the bone - I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I also didn't say where I might go to an away game. Another poster did that for me. It helps to read what people actually write - not what other people write for them And if you are giving it I'm not really disabled because I might go to an away game - that's a poor look. It's currently pinned together. I can't walk long distances - and at no point did I suggest boycotting Ravenscraig - it's just hard to get to if you don't drive - and can't walk long distances like I can't just now and there are no buses. I'm not advocating that anyone boycotts And if I was going to an away game like many people do - I'd be going on a supporters bus like I said earlier Im actually a personal trainer and I did my Pt exams at Ravenscraig sports centre -quite aware it's not the moon just that things get a bit more difficult when you are disabled. No more than that I also didn't read your 40 page document. I have no idea where it is- I've just seen the chat on here I also can't afford to drive. Im poor - that's not an option for me - anyway as you say by the time we move I'll hopefully be recovered Take care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron_Mcd Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 What a dumpster fire this thread has turned into 🤣 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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