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Motherwell v Dundee 19/10/2024


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5 hours ago, steelboy said:

Looking at the stats and Robinson has managed 1 shot on target in 8 league appearances. 

He'll no doubt start the next three games. 

All our best performances this season have been Robinson up top with two attacking midfielders in a 3-4-2-1.

You obviously have a bee in your bonnet about this guy.

Robinson was better first half than Watt was second half.

If it's a choice between Robinson's shot stats or winning I know which one is more important.

The big problem we have isn't Robinson playing, it's having 5 across the midfield with no natural attacker out the lot of them.

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3 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

The big problem we have isn't Robinson playing, it's having 5 across the midfield with no natural attacker out the lot of them.

It is a big problem yes, but not the big problem. We also badly lack a decent defensive midfielder hence one reason for the poor possession stats. Robinson is lightweight and can't compete with hulking centre backs. He can't hold the ball up. He might be OK as a secondary striker but the problem with that is that we already have Ap Stam, Ebiye, Vale  Watt and Stuparevic for that role. Despite our plethora of strikers, we lack a main striker, someone to take the weight off the others if you will. 

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7 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

All our best performances this season have been Robinson up top with two attacking midfielders in a 3-4-2-1.

You obviously have a bee in your bonnet about this guy.

 

Our best performances have come from scoring from set pieces. The actual performances didn't look too different to yesterday. 

We scored 6 set piece goals and a penalty from a set piece across our 4 wins. As we saw yesterday that's not sustainable and we need the forwards to contribute much more and given what we have seen of Robinson he's not up to it. He's decent at dribbling but hopeless at every other aspect of the game. If he was Scottish or from our youth team he would be getting hounded. 

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57 minutes ago, steelboy said:

Our best performances have come from scoring from set pieces. The actual performances didn't look too different to yesterday. 

We scored 6 set piece goals and a penalty from a set piece across our 4 wins. As we saw yesterday that's not sustainable and we need the forwards to contribute much more and given what we have seen of Robinson he's not up to it. 

You're on the money. We have a number of strikers, with different styles, but none that really work together. So far, they have simply not delivered, for a variety of reasons. Some of that failing is down to a weakened and unbalanced midfield. In short, some of these problems are down to ineffective recruitment. 

Likewise, we have an unbalanced midfield. We have one lightweight and ineffective defensive midfielder in Davor. Again that's down to recruitment. It was very evident yesterday.

Yesterday's game was similar to many of our wins this season. It was very tight and we lost out possession wise. The difference was that we didn't convert any of our few chances and our set pieces were unproductive.

Some fine tuning of the midfield and strikeforce required in January. That will probably require a departure or two and some wheeling and dealing  

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4 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

 

Some fine tuning of the midfield and strikeforce required in January. That will probably require a departure or two and some wheeling and dealing  

It'll require two departures from the dug out because Kettlewell and Frail are hopeless in the transfer market. 

We'll be signing guys from pub leagues in New Zealand if they are left to their own devices. 

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2 hours ago, steelboy said:

Our best performances have come from scoring from set pieces. The actual performances didn't look too different to yesterday. 

We scored 6 set piece goals and a penalty from a set piece across our 4 wins. As we saw yesterday that's not sustainable and we need the forwards to contribute much more and given what we have seen of Robinson he's not up to it. He's decent at dribbling but hopeless at every other aspect of the game. If he was Scottish or from our youth team he would be getting hounded. 

 

1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said:

You're on the money. We have a number of strikers, with different styles, but none that really work together. So far, they have simply not delivered, for a variety of reasons. Some of that failing is down to a weakened and unbalanced midfield. In short, some of these problems are down to ineffective recruitment. 

Likewise, we have an unbalanced midfield. We have one lightweight and ineffective defensive midfielder in Davor. Again that's down to recruitment. It was very evident yesterday.

Yesterday's game was similar to many of our wins this season. It was very tight and we lost out possession wise. The difference was that we didn't convert any of our few chances and our set pieces were unproductive.

Some fine tuning of the midfield and strikeforce required in January. That will probably require a departure or two and some wheeling and dealing  

Two spot on analyses. Poor recruitment and amateur tactics remain the issues, although, for what it’s worth, I don’t think we’ll see another 15 game winless run this season. We have improved, slightly.

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Poor game yesterday from 2 poor looking sides.

Our defence was miles off it and you could see their goal coming a good bit before it actually did.

The frustrating thing is you could see Dundee werent that brilliant, but they were still good enough to leave with the 3 points.

We have had a decent start to the season, but if we are honest, results have papered over some of the cracks and that performance / result has been coming.

I said before that, a bit like Alexander, SK would get away with the line up and performances as long as the results kept going in our favour. How he responds to yesterday might be pivotal in how long the fans stay with him this season.

As others have said Robinson doesnt work in this system and he is either bereft of confidence or just not very good. He spends his whole time wrestling with defenders and losing, instead of trying to lay it off or running in behind.

Our midfield is as dysfunctional as ever and until we address that its hard to see things improving.

Im not as down on the manager as some. I still think he does a lot right but he really needs to address the elephant in the room instead of stubbornly continuing with a set up that everyone can see limits us.

The big concern would be what is wrong with Sparrow and Stama. If they are both now also out for a period of time it further limits our ever decreasing options to change things.

We could really do with Slattery, Paton or Nicholson making a speedier than anticipated recovery.

3 points yesterday would have afforded us some breathing space going into the next 2 games. Unfortunately we now have to take something unexpected, even just for confidence purposes going into the semi final.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

How he responds to yesterday might be pivotal in how long the fans stay with him this season.

We know that he'll respond by starting with a similar line-up and system because he's a stubborn donkey who continually rides his luck.

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15 minutes ago, wellfan said:

We know that he'll respond by starting with a similar line-up and system because he's a stubborn donkey who continually rides his luck.

A bit like you then in your constant criticism of him. Strangely though when we are winning and playing well it's radio silence, and lo and behold a bad result yesterday and it's SK's fault again.

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8 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

A bit like you then in your constant criticism of him. Strangely though when we are winning and playing well it's radio silence, and lo and behold a bad result yesterday and it's SK's fault again.

It’s almost like clockwork. Keep on being you. 

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Disappointing if Sparrow has an injury?....a lot of talk about midfield and need options in January....that is true but we have a full midfield on the injury table...Callaghan, Slattery, Paton, Nicholson.....not saying they are the answer but we have done remarkably well with the midfield 3 and Sparrow's sub appearances as far as league position goes. Hopefully second half of season see's is with a lot more options in midfield to change things up a bit, particularly with Nicholson and Paton being a bit more creative and attack minded letting Miller sit a bit deeper again....

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9 minutes ago, Fergie79 said:

Disappointing if Sparrow has an injury?

He's either sick or his ACL exploded into 300 pieces during training and after Kettlewll's pre-match conference. Knowing our luck, it's likely the latter. Anyone in the know?

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In other news and not footie related, as said before I missed yesterday (thankfully it seems) as down in Yorkshire as Mrs grizzly running the Yorkshire marathon (her 10th),  honking weather during it but smashed it in under 5 hours.....sun came out after the race, celebratory pints here we go.......oh and......COYW

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I don't want to be overly reactionary but our midfield is not going to get us in the t6. Lennon as good as he is still learning. We got ran all over yesterday in there, We've needed a holding midfield player for years last time we had one was Liam Donnelly and he's been gone a good couple years now.

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27 minutes ago, thewelllfan said:

I don't want to be overly reactionary but our midfield is not going to get us in the t6. Lennon as good as he is still learning. We got ran all over yesterday in there, We've needed a holding midfield player for years last time we had one was Liam Donnelly and he's been gone a good couple years now.

100%. We badly need a physical defensive player who can hold his own in a midfield battle. That would take the heat off Lennon Miller and protect the back line. It might well have nullified the energy of Cameron yesterday. Davor is that kind of player but isn't at the level we need. 

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18 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

It didn't take its toll on Dundee who had 6 away on international duty  including the energetic Cameron.   

Cameron was the only decent player on the park.
They were also as a team very poor yesterday.

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36 minutes ago, wunderwell said:

Cameron was the only decent player on the park.
They were also as a team very poor yesterday.

Probably but they worked damned hard off the ball to close us down quickly and harass us.    

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On 10/20/2024 at 5:05 PM, thewelllfan said:

I don't want to be overly reactionary but our midfield is not going to get us in the t6. Lennon as good as he is still learning. We got ran all over yesterday in there, We've needed a holding midfield player for years last time we had one was Liam Donnelly and he's been gone a good couple years now.

I'd like to think that when Slattery and Paton are back it might make a difference - not least that the manager will have more options 

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