Interesting stats on

[real dosser]

[wellfan]

It’s pleasing to see Motherwell leading the way here, but we’ll continue to be crap at a national level until the SFA do something about this. It’s a problem that won’t be solved overnight, however, and Rangers and Celtic would likely lobby against any measures proposed to address this issue. And therein lies the problem. 

[joewarkfanclub]

52 minutes ago, wellfan said:

It’s pleasing to see Motherwell leading the way here, but we’ll continue to be crap at a national level until the SFA do something about this. It’s a problem that won’t be solved overnight, however, and Rangers and Celtic would likely lobby against any measures proposed to address this problem. And therein lies the problem. 

I agree, but the SFA (or the League) have tried things in the past. The 3 foreigners rule was stopped because of employment law and the U21s rule just saw bench places taken up by boys who never played. Not really sure what the answer is.

Certainly doing away with the reserve leagues hasnt helped. I know they cost money, but in the overall scheme of things allowing youth prospects the opportunity to cut their teeth playing alongside and against senior pro's certainly seemed to have boys ready for first team football earlier back in the day. (Which you would imagine would save a club like Motherwell money in the long term).

Of course its not just as simple as that, but it is a contributory factor.

[steelboy]

Ewan Wilson has been impressive playing every minute of every game.

I've not really heard much about how Ferrie, Wells and Ross are doing on loan but I still feel that we would better off having these players here to focus on strength and conditioning and learning to play at our level rather than part time football with loads of extra travelling. 

 

[wellfan]

35 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Not really sure what the answer is.

I’m not sure either, but it’s the SFAs (and perhaps the SPFLs) job to propose and implement further solutions to find the answer. 

[joewarkfanclub]

22 minutes ago, steelboy said:

Ewan Wilson has been impressive playing every minute of every game.

I've not really heard much about how Ferrie, Wells and Ross are doing on loan but I still feel that we would better off having these players here to focus on strength and conditioning and learning to play at our level rather than part time football with loads of extra travelling. 

 

I think they still do some of their training with us. I presume that side of things is still looked after.

But nothing beats gametime.

Wilson benefitted of 6 months with Beith Juniors. He went away a boy and came back a man. Of course he had two poor loans before that.

All about picking the right loan club.

[weeyin]

There have been solutions proposed over the years, but the SFA rejected 99% of them. When Rainer Bonhof was in charge of the U21s he provided some plans to overhaul the structure that were tossed in the bin.

One of the main stumbling blocks is that the OF (and a few others, to be fair) are more focused in short-term success and keeping the lion's share of income. Any overhaul is likely to eat into that and, horror of horrors, might distribute revenue in a fairer manner and increase the level of competition in the leagues.

One thing that did stand out to me from those figures is the laughable notion that B teams in the lower leagues were going to provide a pathway to promote youngsters into the Premiership first teams.

[well_said]

1 hour ago, wellfan said:

It’s pleasing to see Motherwell leading the way here, but we’ll continue to be crap at a national level until the SFA do something about this. It’s a problem that won’t be solved overnight, however, and Rangers and Celtic would likely lobby against any measures proposed to address this issue. And therein lies the problem. 

Every problem in our game is caused by the authorities bending over backwards to suit the arse cheeks.

[Kmcalpin]

2 hours ago, steelboy said:

Ewan Wilson has been impressive playing every minute of every game.

I've not really heard much about how Ferrie, Wells and Ross are doing on loan 

Ferrie scored on Saturday. No sign of Wells or Ross.

[steelboy]

1 hour ago, weeyin said:

 

One thing that did stand out to me from those figures is the laughable notion that B teams in the lower leagues were going to provide a pathway to promote youngsters into the Premiership first teams.

Clearly that was never the intention and the plan was to use them as Trojan horses to get them into the league then have them in the Championship filled with non Scottish players.

[weeyin]

56 minutes ago, steelboy said:

Clearly that was never the intention and the plan was to use them as Trojan horses to get them into the league then have them in the Championship filled with non Scottish players.

 

100% - but as usual the authorities bent over backwards to accommodate them regardless.

[0Neils40yarder]

4 hours ago, steelboy said:

Ewan Wilson has been impressive playing every minute of every game.

I've not really heard much about how Ferrie, Wells and Ross are doing on loan but I still feel that we would better off having these players here to focus on strength and conditioning and learning to play at our level rather than part time football with loads of extra travelling. 

 

Surely they work on strength and conditioning as part of their training regime with us...then do some extra nights training with their loan Club?

[wellfan]

All the boys out on loan are listed here: https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/squad/development-team/

It seems like he Club's loan watch updates have dried up. Have they? However, a quick search of their names on Transfermarkt provides the following info:

 

Goalkeepers

Connelly is getting a regular start in goals for East Kilbride.

Defenders

M. Ross is getting a regular start in central defence for Albion Rovers.

McDermott is getting a regular start in an unknown position for Broomhill.

Midfielders

Wells hasn't featured at all in match day squads for Edinburgh City. Injured or what?

Whyte is getting a lot of regular starts for Cowdenbeath. 

Forwards

Stuparevic is getting a regular start for Morton and has scored one goal.

L. Ross was getting a regular start for Annan Athletic but has found himself on the bench or not in the squad recently. Injured or what?

Ferrie is getting regular starts and appearances from the bench for Bonnyrigg Rose and has scored one goal.

 

Lots of good progress being made by most of that lot. However, of that list, it's concerning to me that the players I have the most hope for - in terms of them becoming first-team players (Wells and L. Ross) - aren't getting as many minutes, or any at all, compared to the others. If they're not injured, what's the point?!

[Cameron_Mcd]

2 hours ago, wellfan said:

All the boys out on loan are listed here: https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/squad/development-team/

It seems like he Club's loan watch updates have dried up. Have they? However, a quick search of their names on Transfermarkt provides the following info:

 

Goalkeepers

Connelly is getting a regular start in goals for East Kilbride.

Defenders

M. Ross is getting a regular start in central defence for Albion Rovers.

McDermott is getting a regular start in an unknown position for Broomhill.

Midfielders

Wells hasn't featured at all in match day squads for Edinburgh City. Injured or what?

Whyte is getting a lot of regular starts for Cowdenbeath. 

Forwards

Stuparevic is getting a regular start for Morton and has scored one goal.

L. Ross was getting a regular start for Annan Athletic but has found himself on the bench or not in the squad recently. Injured or what?

Ferrie is getting regular starts and appearances from the bench for Bonnyrigg Rose and has scored one goal.

 

Lots of good progress being made by most of that lot. However, of that list, it's concerning to me that the players I have the most hope for - in terms of them becoming first-team players (Wells and L. Ross) - aren't getting as many minutes, or any at all, compared to the others. If they're not injured, what's the point?!

Micheal McIndoe said in his post match interview on Saturday that Wells will "be back" next week, so some good news on that front.

[joewarkfanclub]

12 hours ago, weeyin said:

One thing that did stand out to me from those figures is the laughable notion that B teams in the lower leagues were going to provide a pathway to promote youngsters into the Premiership first teams.

I havent checked the makeup of their squads / starting 11s. But it does give them an unfair advantage in that if they wanted to give their youth academy players experience of first team lower league football, then they have the opportunity to do so, and get them "first team ready" without any risk attached or having to send them out on loan as we do. If they choose not to take that opportunity or fill their teams with non Scottish players then more fool them.......

[wellfan]

Those interested in the stat above may be interested in the fact that every single English top flight team who had their U21 team play in the EFL Trophy group stages tonight lost. 

[wellfan]

On 11/11/2024 at 5:25 PM, wellfan said:

All the boys out on loan are listed here: https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/squad/development-team/

It seems like he Club's loan watch updates have dried up. Have they? However, a quick search of their names on Transfermarkt provides the following info:

 

Goalkeepers

Connelly is getting a regular start in goals for East Kilbride.

Defenders

M. Ross is getting a regular start in central defence for Albion Rovers.

McDermott is getting a regular start in an unknown position for Broomhill.

Midfielders

Wells hasn't featured at all in match day squads for Edinburgh City. Injured or what?

Whyte is getting a lot of regular starts for Cowdenbeath. 

Forwards

Stuparevic is getting a regular start for Morton and has scored one goal.

L. Ross was getting a regular start for Annan Athletic but has found himself on the bench or not in the squad recently. Injured or what?

Ferrie is getting regular starts and appearances from the bench for Bonnyrigg Rose and has scored one goal.

 

Lots of good progress being made by most of that lot. However, of that list, it's concerning to me that the players I have the most hope for - in terms of them becoming first-team players (Wells and L. Ross) - aren't getting as many minutes, or any at all, compared to the others. If they're not injured, what's the point?!

Loan update here: https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2024/11/13/loan-report-november/

[weeyin]

The official site calls Ferrie's goal a "dink" - that doesn't really do it justice.

I also learned today that Calum "I don't like taking the bus" Elliot is their manager.

[sinjy]

There was an article I read about Lennon Miller where our former player Bailey Rice was mentioned. The article suggested that as youngsters Lennon and Bailey were seen to be on a par. Bailey chose to go to Rangers where he seems to have disappeared. A lesson there for any aspiring youngster.

[mio]

1 hour ago, sinjy said:

There was an article I read about Lennon Miller where our former player Bailey Rice was mentioned. The article suggested that as youngsters Lennon and Bailey were seen to be on a par. Bailey chose to go to Rangers where he seems to have disappeared. A lesson there for any aspiring youngster.

The bare facts were that Rice was clearly ahead of Lennon in the pecking order. Losing him to Rangers I know was a real gut wrench to the academy coaches.

a few years later and we have a lad who has played almost 50 first team games for us, captained the club and has teams all over Europe looking at him.
While Rice has played a handful of irrelevant minutes (a 5mins here and there in dead rubber games) and is rotting in a B select side somewhere. 

this is definitely the example we need to be sending out to youngsters and especially their parents, regardless of whether they have blue or green tinted specs, in this bigot ridden country.
 

[weeyin]

Sadly, for the players involved, we can point to countless examples of youngsters who have left for the "big move" and ended up as bit players in youth teams down south (or with the OF) before returning to a lower league team in Scotland.

McAlear, Mckinstry and Hastie are all recent examples.

It's no coincidence that Max Johnston and Lennon Miller both have dads who are ex-players. They are in a much better position to offer career and development advice than well-meaning parents with no experience who are excited when a "big" team comes in with an offer; especially if it's a team from the OF that they support.

 

[wellfan]

Do as I say, not as I do. Twat. 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/nov/14/scottish-football-has-to-change-its-youth-development-warns-steve-clarke

[0Neils40yarder]

4 minutes ago, wellfan said:

Do as I say, not as I do. Twat. 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/nov/14/scottish-football-has-to-change-its-youth-development-warns-steve-clarke

I'm not a huge fan of Clarke but what's he saying that's wrong here?

[wellfan]

2 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said:

I'm not a huge fan of Clarke but what's he saying that's wrong here?

Nothing. I think you've misread. My point is that he's basically asking for better exposure/development of Scottish U21 players, which flies in the face of his recent bollox reasoning for not calling up Scotland's most talented U21 player, Lennon Miller. The guy is an arrogant wanker. 

[0Neils40yarder]

21 minutes ago, wellfan said:

 

 

11 minutes ago, wellfan said:

Nothing. I think you've misread. My point is that he's basically asking for better exposure/development of Scottish U21 players, which flies in the face of his recent bollox reasoning for not calling up Scotland's most talented U21 player, Lennon Miller. The guy is an arrogant wanker. 

I actually don't know what he's said to justify Lennons non-inclusion but I'm not surprised he's not been called up...if he was a right back, goalie, central defender, striker or winger I'd be raging but central midfield is Scotlands strongest position by a country mile.