Alpha1886 Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 16 hours ago, Benson said: Tbh we've a pish team and a pish manager,we are where we are because we are a pish team,the positive results we had never made me think we were good, many results we had luck with us and won by odd goal and usually a set piece add to that the style and entertainment value has been poor,with a budget on a par with the lower league teams it's always a given we will hit a rough patch, over the years we've ducked and dived and pulled ourselves through, kept ourselves in the top league and made a few semis and finals,sometimes it doesn't happen and the inevitable happens and you take a step down,wether it happens this year who knows but it's not looking great. So if we are pish what are the teams below us? 🤔 Shit? Some things/people don’t change. Recall same comments (same people?) on here going on about how pish/lucky we were to finish 5th under Alexander. And under Robinson. And under McCall. And…….🥱 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Wark The Legend Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 16 hours ago, grizzlyg said: Total co incidence but since young lennon became captain we have been on terrible run. Can we take armband off him and just let the lad play? Give armband to Gordon Hear Hear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 24 minutes ago, wellon said: Kind of thinking balmer was struggling because thar might explain his parts in 3rd and 4 th goals...just seen better view of pen incident , its a pen every day of week , again what's var for ? Game should've been stopped What penalty incident? I may have to go suffer thru the highlights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 I have a question and it's pretty obvious if Balmer was that hurt why did he stay on the pitch and was not substituted? The 3rd and 4th goal looked like the pretty standard shite we have been witnessing over the last few weeks tbh don't think it was anything to do with the Balmer incident. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 44 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: What penalty incident? I may have to go suffer thru the highlights. After watching highlights Still not sure what penalty incident ? First two goals are bad. First one Gordon lets their guy cut inside instead of showing him down to the bye line. Second one, I think it’s Wilson, runs back too deep. All he has to do is step up early towards player with the ball then any pass he makes will be offside. Third one bad luck. Fourth one Balmer terrible. I’d go along the lines of Casey Gordon Wilson Kaletta Miller Paton Seddon Watt Stam Maswanhise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 1 hour ago, texanwellfan said: After watching highlights Still not sure what penalty incident ? It's when Balmer went down, the Dundee player was all over him, an arm round Balmers neck at one point, stonewall pen, but once again VAR did not want to know, what's the point of it if they miss stuff like that. Play never stopped either, so in 30 seconds we went from a chance to go 2-1 up to being 2-1 down, utter nonsense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 4 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: It's when Balmer went down, the Dundee player was all over him, an arm round Balmers neck at one point, stonewall pen, but once again VAR did not want to know, what's the point of it if they miss stuff like that. Play never stopped either, so in 30 seconds we went from a chance to go 2-1 up to being 2-1 down, utter nonsense. It's bloody nonsense what goes on at corners , it's not using your body if you've 2 hands on someone and haul them to ground...var has gone from being overused to not being used , so not fit for purpose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 Seeing as Kettlewell had Balmer seriously injured then why not substitute him? Really getting fed up with the "everyone's fault bar me attitude" Kettlewell has adopted. I am not one who wants him sacked at any opportunity and I am not a happy clapper, I have given him both praise and criticism but I seriously now have doubts, he is nearly 2 ywrs in job so the "he's still learning" doesn't wash anymore. This all started after bottling it against gers in semi final. We are easy to play against as everyone knows the formation and also he has signed a lot and had cash to spend so budget excuses don't wash either. But hey it's OK as he will just play the " I signed Theo Bair" card. Not even in mood for telling a joke so heyyyyy.....every cloud 🤣🤣 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 39 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: It's when Balmer went down, the Dundee player was all over him, an arm round Balmers neck at one point, stonewall pen, but once again VAR did not want to know, what's the point of it if they miss stuff like that. Play never stopped either, so in 30 seconds we went from a chance to go 2-1 up to being 2-1 down, utter nonsense. Ok I never noticed that detail but maybe just needed to pay more attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 4 hours ago, grizzlyg said: Really getting fed up with the "everyone's fault bar me attitude" Kettlewell has adopted. Except in his post-match interview he clearly states that the team, and him specifically, is at fault for the 3rd and 4th goals I believe? His comments regarding Balmer are spot on. He even addressed it with the official and was told that the referee would decide how bad a head knock would be before the play was stopped, which is absolutely ridiculous. It's either a head knock, or it isn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 3 minutes ago, David said: Except in his post-match interview he clearly states that the team, and him specifically, is at fault for the 3rd and 4th goals I believe? His comments regarding Balmer are spot on. He even addressed it with the official and was told that the referee would decide how bad a head knock would be before the play was stopped, which is absolutely ridiculous. It's either a head knock, or it isn't. I have no problem with his comments about 2nd goal but that was all he focused on. Anyone that reads my posts will know I have defended Kettlewell a lot so it's not an excuse to have a go at him. But he really needs to get this sorted. Fact he is now getting tetchy I think shows pressure starting to show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kmcalpin Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 44 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: But he really needs to get this sorted. Fact he is now getting tetchy I think shows pressure starting to show I think the difference is that he has now less credit in the bank than he had last season. Last year, he came in and rescued us from the mess that Stevie Hammell left. He didn't have time to overhaul the squad. This season, although he has taken us to a semi final, we are now playing with his squad, which he himself has built. For those reasons, if things go badly wrong then the fans won't be as forgiving. I can thole his brand of football, as long as we are picking up points and doing well. I suspect that many fans are in the same boat. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 8 hours ago, grizzlyg said: I have no problem with his comments about 2nd goal but that was all he focused on. That's because that incident changed the whole course of the match. If VAR had done their Job, we would have had a pen and probably been 2-1 up. Even if we never got the pen the referee never done his job by stopping play for a suspected head knock so their 2nd goal would not have happened. The officials failing to do their jobs cost us a chance to go 2-1 up and possibly go on to win the game. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 9 hours ago, grizzlyg said: I have no problem with his comments about 2nd goal but that was all he focused on. Anyone that reads my posts will know I have defended Kettlewell a lot so it's not an excuse to have a go at him. But he really needs to get this sorted. Fact he is now getting tetchy I think shows pressure starting to show Agreed history is somewhat repeating itself and looks like there stress and strain are showing . in simple terms play your best players in their best position and we’ll get through it . appreciate the debate will be who are the best players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 1 hour ago, wellsince75 said: Agreed history is somewhat repeating itself and looks like there stress and strain are showing . in simple terms play your best players in their best position and we’ll get through it . appreciate the debate will be who are the best players With all the injuries just now, Im not sure that really is even a debate. Not sure many of us would have picked Tavares to start on Wednesday night though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 11 hours ago, grizzlyg said: I have no problem with his comments about 2nd goal but that was all he focused on. Anyone that reads my posts will know I have defended Kettlewell a lot so it's not an excuse to have a go at him. But he really needs to get this sorted. Fact he is now getting tetchy I think shows pressure starting to show As has already been mentioned, that second goal is crucial. The officials, as often happens in this country, got it completely wrong. The interview took place immediately after the game, so I’d be surprised if he wasn’t a bit short-tempered and upset so soon after the event. We're definitely in a bit of a rough patch, there's no denying that, but we’re talking about it as though we’re in danger of being stuck at the bottom of the table. We’re 6th. I understand that many people aren’t fond of Kettlewell, for whatever reason, and if he were more popular, he’d probably be getting more support and less criticism. But the facts are the facts. I also can’t shake the feeling that some of our fans have quietly been seething while we made it into the top six and reached a semi-final, just waiting for an opportunity to start complaining as soon as things took a downturn. There are six teams below us who are in a worse position. Yes, we need to see improvements. I’m sure the manager would be the first to agree with that, but I also think a bit of perspective is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted December 6 Author Report Share Posted December 6 Stama!!!! We need some more goals mate….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 Delighted for him. I like him but the service he is getting is non existent. Next 3 games vital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 1 hour ago, David said: I also can’t shake the feeling that some of our fans have quietly been seething while we made it into the top six and reached a semi-final, just waiting for an opportunity to start complaining as soon as things took a downturn. What a strange take. It’s possible to be delighted about making it to Hampden and acknowledge that as an excellent achievement at the same time as being critical of a manager who’s been in charge for almost 2 years now. Regardless of current league position, I don’t think many would disagree that we’re in utter disarray right now and things don’t look too rosey ahead. He has December to sort it out. If he can’t, I think it’s reasonable to suggest he wouldn’t deserve another transfer window. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 Struggling to remember a motherwell manager who was not criticised and called tactically naive with no plan b, by the experts in the stand. Only the top clubs, with very good players can play fancy football and win. In patches our play has been decent, but with the recent slump in confidence and injuries we have reverted to a safety first approach. The defence has been under pressure to perform, as they know we don't have the firepower up front to outscore the opposition. Very few clubs at our level keep regular clean sheets. The Dundee result is just typical within our clubs history. We can't change it now, so we need to learn from the mistakes, reset and work harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witchfindergeneral Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 On 12/4/2024 at 5:25 PM, robsterwood said: Why we 3 ahead of them with game in hand if they better in every position? They don't have player better than Lennon and also rate Liam Gordon higher than Thier defenders you were saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 4 hours ago, wellfan said: What a strange take. I don't think it is. 4 hours ago, wellfan said: Regardless of current league position, I don’t think many would disagree that we’re in utter disarray right now and things don’t look too rosey ahead. I'm not sure we can just ignore our current league position. It seems like you're dismissing it because it doesn't fit with the narrative you're trying to push. It's the key measure of our season so far. We're in the top six, after all. I'm pretty sure if we were in the bottom two, you wouldn't be so quick to brush it off, and rightly so. If we had reached a cup semi-final but were in the position that Hearts or Hibs are currently in, there would be a lot of criticism aimed at both the team and the manager. 4 hours ago, wellfan said: He has December to sort it out. If he can’t, I think it’s reasonable to suggest he wouldn’t deserve another transfer window. What exactly does "sorting it out" mean? Because, until recently, we were sitting fifth in the table, reached a semi-final, and yet the usual critics were still complaining. For instance, I seriously doubt that a point tomorrow against St Mirren, picking up four points from the Killie and United games, and possibly grabbing a point from the matches against Celtic and Rangers before the end of the month will change anyone’s mind. It seems fairly clear that some people just don't rate the guy. These are often the same ones who didn't warm to Alexander or Robinson, and they probably won’t be keen on the next manager either. 2 hours ago, Orinoco said: The Dundee result is just typical within our clubs history. We can't change it now, so we need to learn from the mistakes, reset and work harder. We've done reasonably well so far this season, and we're in a solid position in the league. Now, we just need to pick up some points, stabilise things, and push on. Of course, if this becomes a string of defeats and we start slipping down the table, then there will be a conversation to be had. But I believe we can turn it around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 I think what is telling is that folk who strongly supported SK through thick and thin last season are now expressing valid concerns. Not just on here but also in the stands at games. it is not just those that were against him from the outset that are speaking up. Far from it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 4 minutes ago, dennyc said: I think what is telling is that folk who strongly supported SK through thick and thin last season are now expressing valid concerns. Not just on here but also in the stands at games. it is not just those that were against him from the outset that are speaking up. Far from it. Oh, absolutely. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, of course, but I do think there's a particular section of the fanbase that seems to criticise every manager we have. Personally, I’m not about to be too harsh, especially given our position in the league. We've had our fair share of injuries, and honestly, if someone had told me we'd be in the top six by the start of December, I would have dismissed it as a bit of wishful thinking. But here we are. Yes, there have been a few disappointing results recently, but now it's down to the manager and players to turn things around. I'm certainly not feeling nervous just yet. We've proven we can get results, so I’m confident we can do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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