Dundee v Motherwell 04/12/2024

[MJC]

19 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

Robinson out for the season, ruptured achilles.

Another one!

And yet again it’s a long term injury not just a knock that keeps him out for a week or so. There is no way this is down to coincidence or bad luck because it’s happening literally every two months that we get a player ruled out for months on end.

Even the club social media team have given up using the “speedy recovery” sign off when announcing this latest injury setback. Instead opting for “With you all the way, Zach”. Even they seem to have cottoned on to the parody this is becoming. 

”Sam Nicholson will be out for a significant period of time, speedy recovery Sam”.

“Jack Vale has picked up an injury which will see him miss several months, speedy recovery Jack”

“Paul McGinn will be out of action for a lengthy spell, speedy recovery Paul”

”Zach Robinson will miss the rest of the season due to injury, spee….erm nah hold on……with you all the way Zach”.

Something clearly isn’t right. It may be our recruitment or training methods but these lengthy injuries to so many players suggest something is seriously wrong somewhere.

[wellfan]

12 minutes ago, MJC said:

There is no way this is down to coincidence or bad luck because it’s happening literally every two months that we get a player ruled out for months on end.

Something has to be amiss here. We’re either signing injury prone players or breaking players in training. It’s getting ridiculous now. 

[wellon]

16 minutes ago, MJC said:

Another one!

And yet again it’s a long term injury not just a knock that keeps him out for a week or so. There is no way this is down to coincidence or bad luck because it’s happening literally every two months that we get a player ruled out for months on end.

Even the club social media team have given up using the “speedy recovery” sign off when announcing this latest injury setback. Instead opting for “With you all the way, Zach”. Even they seem to have cottoned on to the parody this is becoming. 

”Sam Nicholson will be out for a significant period of time, speedy recovery Sam”.

“Jack Vale has picked up an injury which will see him miss several months, speedy recovery Jack”

“Paul McGinn will be out of action for a lengthy spell, speedy recovery Paul”

”Zach Robinson will miss the rest of the season due to injury, spee….erm nah hold on……with you all the way Zach”.

Something clearly isn’t right. It may be our recruitment or training methods but these lengthy injuries to so many players suggest something is seriously wrong somewhere.

It is frustrating to lose another player, but don't think a ruptured achilles is one that is down to impact or training methods...this time, it is just bad luck...

[Spit_It_Out]

Aye this one is probably sprinting and boom it went more than likely sadly it's a mare to heal properly and will probably be a recurring injury rest of his career.

 

[MJC]

6 minutes ago, wellfan said:

Something has to be amiss here. We’re either signing injury prone players or breaking players in training. It’s getting ridiculous now. 

It goes back further than this season too. You look at last season with Slattery, Wilkinson, Obika and Biereth all sidelined for significant periods of times. Obviously there was some bad luck in that list but it can’t all be put down to that. 

Just now, wellon said:

It is frustrating to lose another player, but don't think a ruptured achilles is one that is down to impact or training methods...this time, it is just bad luck...

Perhaps in this case it is yes, but the fact that here we have yet another player ruled out for months on end has to raise questions about our recruitment and what we are doing in training. 
 

It’s a physical game and players will get injuries, there is no getting away from that. However it’s the frequency and length of time that our players end up out for that is the issue here.

[Kmcalpin]

1 hour ago, bobbybingo said:

Robinson out for the season, ruptured achilles.

I keep thinking can our injury situation get any worse, but it does. 

Will Stuparevic be recalled?

[grizzlyg]

This is really becoming unbelievable. 

Gutted for the lad. Yes I have not been convinced about him but no way would I ever wish any harm.

I know folk would say it's bad luck but this is happening too often and when did we last get an injury that happened during an actual game? Apart from SOD and Paton 

Every injury is long term.  Never a 2 or 3 week job 

Speedy recovery Zach

[dennyc]

52 minutes ago, MJC said:

Another one!

And yet again it’s a long term injury not just a knock that keeps him out for a week or so. There is no way this is down to coincidence or bad luck because it’s happening literally every two months that we get a player ruled out for months on end.

The amount of injuries does seem unreal. And questions deserve to be asked regards signing players with a history of injury.

But please explain how you avoid an injury such as this. A 22 year old player, mid season, fit and with no injury record. No hint of any achilles issue.  Should we just avoid any contact or running at training?

I had the same injury a few years ago. Tendon snapped when I bent down to pick something up. No warning signs just happened. Surgeon told I was just unlucky and it could have happened anytime and there was nothing I could have done to avoid it. Just suggested I was fortunate it did not happen when I was driving. Six months to recover, followed by physio and a warning to be careful on stairs etc for a good few months.

Not so sure the Robinson injury is one where the Club can be held to account.

 

[grizzlyg]

I ain't a physio......jeez I ain't even a comedian,  but I wonder if they are being overworked in training so risk of something going more likely. 

Again could be totally wrong but it just seems unreal all these long term injuries

[wellsince75]

How will we replace the 2-3 goals per season we'd have likely obtained 😉

On a serious note wonder if this pushes us to change formation - I'd like to see Watt have a run of games, he may be a modern day Stevie Cowan but he at least knows how to play footy and can join up midfield to attack. 

[wunderwell]

Oxborough

Balmer Casey Gordon Wilson

Miller Paton

Kaleta Maswinhise

Watt

AP

Don't bother with the DM, both deep midfielders can retain the ball for us.
Kaleta pushed up will give us more threat up front - there are now three players who can supply AP.

[SteelmaninOZ]

2 hours ago, grizzlyg said:

I ain't a physio......jeez I ain't even a comedian,  but I wonder if they are being overworked in training so risk of something going more likely. 

Again could be totally wrong but it just seems unreal all these long term injuries

Boom boom 😅

[Kmcalpin]

Our granddaughter's partner picked up the same injury playing footie. He couldn't walk for 6 months and is still recovering. He reckons Zac Robinson will be out for 9-12 months. Not good. Good luck to the lad. 

[joewarkfanclub]

Achilles is a bad one. Certainly wont play again this season, which is probably why the comms team changed tack on their messaging.

As some have pointed out Im not sure how you can compare an achilles injury to any of the others.

McGinn did his quad kicking a ball.

SoD got injured during a game.

As did Paton and Stama.

Slattery was an ACL.

Nicholson knee problem.

Callachan - Hamstring

Vale - Calf

Quite a variation in the type of injuries and setting. Not sure how our injury record compares to other clubs, but most successful teams take part in high intensity training. It needs to be managed, but if we want to improve we need to be at it too.

Fairly certain SK and the management team are as concerned as anyone about the number of injuries. If we were doing something wrong they would identify it and change it. They're not that stupid.

[Big Stall]

4 hours ago, MJC said:

It goes back further than this season too. You look at last season with Slattery, Wilkinson, Obika and Biereth all sidelined for significant periods of times. Obviously there was some bad luck in that list but it can’t all be put down to that. 

Perhaps in this case it is yes, but the fact that here we have yet another player ruled out for months on end has to raise questions about our recruitment and what we are doing in training. 
 

It’s a physical game and players will get injuries, there is no getting away from that. However it’s the frequency and length of time that our players end up out for that is the issue here.

Biereth got smashed by charles dunne in a match. It wasnt a training injury.

But of course you knew that. It just didnt help add to your rant....

[Spiderpig]

5 hours ago, bobbybingo said:

Robinson out for the season, ruptured achilles.

Nobody likes to see a player injured so hope he recovers well, but in all honesty he is brutal, so not being available can only improve the team.

[SteelmaninOZ]

Here’s Liam

 

[MJC]

10 hours ago, MJC said:

It goes back further than this season too. You look at last season with Slattery, Wilkinson, Obika and Biereth all sidelined for significant periods of times. Obviously there was some bad luck in that list but it can’t all be put down to that.

 

6 hours ago, Big Stall said:

Biereth got smashed by charles dunne in a match. It wasnt a training injury.

But of course you knew that. It just didnt help add to your rant....

I never said it was and I acknowledged that we had had some bad luck with our ridiculous catalogue of injuries over the past couple of seasons, Biereth being the obvious bad luck case. 
 

My point however was that just about every injury we get is long term and that simply cannot be written off as misfortune.

[joewarkfanclub]

4 hours ago, MJC said:

 

I never said it was and I acknowledged that we had had some bad luck with our ridiculous catalogue of injuries over the past couple of seasons, Biereth being the obvious bad luck case. 
 

My point however was that just about every injury we get is long term and that simply cannot be written off as misfortune.

The club have said they have looked at the situation and are satisfied that there isnt anything they are doing that is causing multiple injuries.

What is it that you suggest should be done to ensure we arent writing this off?

An independent review?

Stop training with a ball?

Stop contact training?

Stop walk throughs?

Stop playing games of football?

The one thing that anyone can realistically throw at the manager regarding our injury record this season is signing players with an injury record and that amounts to 2 players. Nicholson and Callachan. One was already in the building and had contributed significantly towards the end of last season.

Our injury record IS horrendous and IF all the injuries were the same or obtained under similar circumstances I might agree with the general point being made, but sometimes luck and timing is just that.

Its clear to me that Kettlewell has just driven into the back of a lorry carrying a load of mirrors. Our injuries should stop in about 7 years. 😉😉😉

 

[wellfan]

2 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:

The club have said they have looked at the situation and are satisfied that there isnt anything they are doing that is causing multiple injuries.

This is correct, but it very much has the feeling of marking one’s own homework.

Given where we’re at now, and it could even be a condition of whichever insurance policy the Club holds for injury circumstances such as this, perhaps it’s time to instruct an independent review. 

[Wellfan91]

19 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

I keep thinking can our injury situation get any worse, but it does. 

Will Stuparevic be recalled?

Heard from a source at Morton that Stuparevic is also out for the season, ripped his hamstring off the bone! He didn't play at the weekend so that stacks up! I'd expect an update on it from our media team during the loan update for November which must be due anytime now.

[witchfindergeneral]

4 big issues with our style of play and Dundee.

Their centre backs are all big boys and will dominate if we keep shelling long balls at AP & Maswanhise. Look how comfortable Koumetio and Portales were at Fir Park and the pair of them are shaky players. No idea who their 3rd CB will be.

Every time we play Dundee, we give Lyall Cameron the freedom of the pitch. Someone (either Wilson or Davor) has to stay on him the entire game.

Murray and Palmer-Holden are both strong and rapid, our defenders are not. PLus they have Curtis Main who will ragdoll our boys.

McCracken will likely be their starting goalie, he's pretty poor most of them time. He needs to be up against it from the start as he will probably crumble under pressure. Given how we are currently he will have 1 save to make in 90 mins.

3-0 Dundee, will be surprised if we take anything from this considering they are better than us in every position currently.

[The Sand Dancer]

53 minutes ago, Wellfan91 said:

Heard from a source at Morton that Stuparevic is also out for the season, ripped his hamstring off the bone! He didn't play at the weekend so that stacks up! I'd expect an update on it from our media team during the loan update for November which must be due anytime now.

I assumed he was not played so that he was not cup tied and that he was returning in January

[robsterwood]

Is it on TV?

I'm off work but not driving up after watching last 2 games 

[robsterwood]

3 hours ago, witchfindergeneral said:

4 big issues with our style of play and Dundee.

Their centre backs are all big boys and will dominate if we keep shelling long balls at AP & Maswanhise. Look how comfortable Koumetio and Portales were at Fir Park and the pair of them are shaky players. No idea who their 3rd CB will be.

Every time we play Dundee, we give Lyall Cameron the freedom of the pitch. Someone (either Wilson or Davor) has to stay on him the entire game.

Murray and Palmer-Holden are both strong and rapid, our defenders are not. PLus they have Curtis Main who will ragdoll our boys.

McCracken will likely be their starting goalie, he's pretty poor most of them time. He needs to be up against it from the start as he will probably crumble under pressure. Given how we are currently he will have 1 save to make in 90 mins.

3-0 Dundee, will be surprised if we take anything from this considering they are better than us in every position currently.

Why we 3 ahead of them with game in hand if they better in every position? They don't have player better than Lennon and also rate Liam Gordon higher than Thier defenders