Motherwell v Kilmarnock 20/12/2024

[Ya Bezzer!]

52 minutes ago, weeyin said:

Remember what I was saying the other day about never keeping a clean sheet when we start with a Casey/Blaney combo?

Still saying it.

You could name any two Motherwell players and it'd be true!

[FirParkCornerExile]

19 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said:

The fact we are sitting in 4th with pound for pound some of the most honking football i have witnessed at Fir Park in many of a year is such an achievement in itself.

Honestly you just dont know player for player know is going to turn up week to week.

Correct, again there are not enough words in the dictionary to describe the utter dugshite we dished up again. The sending off was horrific but our play was eye bleeding stuff and the sending off will deflect from that. I left when Casey got sent off as I couldn't stomach watching anymore of that utter shite. Was possibly even worse than the RC, Hibs, and St Mirren games. The rest of the league must be truly horrific when we are sitting 4th. 

[santheman]

I'm guessing the ref realised he had made an utter cock up of the red card after looking at the monitor and didn't have the balls to admit his mistake.so took the easy way out by farting about for 60 seconds to make it look as if he was correct.

He should be refereeing in the Amateurs.

 

 

[wunderwell]

8 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Correct, again there are not enough words in the dictionary to describe the utter dugshite we dished up again. The sending off was horrific but our play was eye bleeding stuff and the sending off will deflect from that. I left when Casey got sent off as I couldn't stomach watching anymore of that utter shite. Was possibly even worse than the RC, Hibs, and St Mirren games. The rest of the league must be truly horrific when we are sitting 4th. 

I thought the Hibs game was one of the worst I've ever seen in my lifetime!

[mfc]

11 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Correct, again there are not enough words in the dictionary to describe the utter dugshite we dished up again. The sending off was horrific but our play was eye bleeding stuff and the sending off will deflect from that. I left when Casey got sent off as I couldn't stomach watching anymore of that utter shite. Was possibly even worse than the RC, Hibs, and St Mirren games. The rest of the league must be truly horrific when we are sitting 4th. 

Like I said earlier in the thread for two professional teams to serve a game like that up is an embarrassment,sadly there's 10 teams in the league that all want too play the same way,kick it as far away from your own goal as possible and hope to capitalise on a mistake at the other end,there's zero enjoyment watching us at the minute.even miller seems to be happy to just chip the ball forward into space now rather than keep it and find a team mate like he was doing earlier in the season.

[wunderwell]

6 minutes ago, mfc said:

Like I said earlier in the thread for two professional teams to serve a game like that up is an embarrassment,sadly there's 10 teams in the league that all want too play the same way,kick it as far away from your own goal as possible and hope to capitalise on a mistake at the other end,there's zero enjoyment watching us at the minute.even miller seems to be happy to just chip the ball forward into space now rather than keep it and find a team mate like he was doing earlier in the season.

I think Hearts v Moldovans during the week showed where the other 10 sit.

[Andy H]

Ketts will be getting another stretch in the Main Stand.   Fair fuck to him for saying what we all thought

[Welly Machine]

Wasn't the best from us tonight and can't really complain with a point given how the game went. 

From the Cooper it looked like Casey just shoved Armstrong, not happy with the tackle. At first I thought the referee had flashed the red at Armstrong. For him to stick with it when VAR had highlighted he had made a Bertie Blunt of it was mental.

 

[wellup83]

Just now, Andy H said:

Ketts will be getting another stretch in the Main Stand.   Fair fuck to him for saying what we all thought

He's absolutely beeling and rightly so. He just went to town and I wouldn't be surprised to see him back in the stand next week.

[wellfan]

Dreadful game, although the draw was probably a fair result, and yet again even more dreadful officiating. It's been said before, but people will stop spending their good money only to have their entertainment ruined by over-promoted amateurs and arrogant incompetents. Apologies from Collum won't cut it any longer. Chris Graham should never be allowed to referee another top level game in Scotland. Only action such as that will demonstrate to the clubs and fans that the SFA is actually trying to improve officiating standards.

[Big Wispy Flossy]

Tony watt couldn’t lace TJ’s boots. Bizarre he started before him. I get we have 4 games in about a fortnight but your better players have to start the games you need to pick up points in

[Big Wispy Flossy]

Ps I’m sure Chris Graham was the ref who didn’t know whether a cup tie went straight to penalties or not. He’s easily the worst I’ve seen this season. Red card and penalty apart, stopping play for virtually no reason time after time

[stv]

29 minutes ago, wellup83 said:

He's absolutely beeling and rightly so. He just went to town and I wouldn't be surprised to see him back in the stand next week.

We play better when he’s there 

[Ya Bezzer!]

36 minutes ago, wellup83 said:

He's absolutely beeling and rightly so. He just went to town and I wouldn't be surprised to see him back in the stand next week.

No one of any integrity could talk about that game and not say what he did.

 

[wellwell91]

If that ref is not dragged into Willie Collums office on Monday morning and smacked Scottish football is fucked 

[Kat]

1 hour ago, santheman said:

I'm guessing the ref realised he had made an utter cock up of the red card after looking at the monitor and didn't have the balls to admit his mistake.so took the easy way out by farting about for 60 seconds to make it look as if he was correct.

He should be refereeing in the Amateurs.

It felt like the whole middle section of the POD stand was giving him pelters when he was checking the monitor, the way he had been officiating the game I wasn't surprised when he struck to his guns but it is truly an horrific decision. Kettlewell said earlier in the day that he has been apologised to numerous times as they have made an arse of decisions 3 times in 5 games recently, but this evenings was something else. 

 

[Mootherwell86]

It’s maybe the worst decision I’ve ever seen. Absolutely baffling.

[Kmcalpin]

2 hours ago, Orinoco said:

 He's given us nowt all game and now this. 

I can't agree. He gave us red and yellow cards. 

[Kmcalpin]

1 hour ago, 0Neils40yarder said:

Giving the red card is one thing...but having the ability to 'have another look' and then double down, is quite another. Totally baffling stuff and another black mark against VAR for me...

Less said about Killies penalty appeal, the better.

I can understand why he wouldn't change his mind. He wanted to show he was in charge and had to save face. 

What about our penalty claim when Stama's shirt was almost ripped off his back as he tried to run onto a pass? 

 

[Mintymac]

Ok let’s get the overall discussion of the game first . 
Imo lucky to get a point , poor spectacle , Killie worked hard for there point and could have won it 2nd half .

Then the sending off . WTF . Seriously that was ridiculous/embarrassing. No matter how you try to analyse that if that’s a sending of then OMG might be time to Chuck it . 
If that’s not overturned 😳.

To be given a chance to correct his decision then stick to his guns is beyond ridiculous. Who is this guy . Is he actually a referee

[grizzlyg]

Let's not kid anyone, that was brutal and a draw probably right. But......one of worst performances by ref I have ever seen, a possible 2 pens for killie but the Red card beggars belief, if no VAR you can say its a mistake but fact he is asked to go and look at it AND still thinks that's a red card is embarrassing. 

Killie brutal and fact polworth and Armstrong involved in key moments sums it up.  I never agree with booing forner players but with polworth I have no issues....horrible character who showed more pace celebrating than he did in 2 years with us.

But....we got a point with 10 men , could have been worse...COYW

[Kmcalpin]

I won't comment on the refereeing as thats been well covered elsewhere.

A share of the points was about right. We took an early lead and as the game wore on SK decided to sit in and hold our lead. Big mistake as we simply don't have the midfielders or defenders to play like that. Everyone could see the Killie goal coming long before it did.

I couldn't fault our starting line up but as half time approached it became obvious that Tony Watt and Stama weren't working up front. Playing a long ball game against a big physical team was never going to end well. Things deteriorated even further when Paton left the fray (understandably given his lack of fitness). It was a big mistake to bring on the anonymous Davor and not bring on Manwhanise earlier. That simply signalled our intention to pack our penalty box in a throw back to Graham Alexander's reign. I thought both wing/full backs, Kaleta and Wilson, were hung out to dry and suffered a roasting.

 One effort on target and 2 corners all night tell their own story.

2 points needlessly dropped. If we absolutely must play this type of game then lets get in the appropriate bodies to do it effectively.  As they say in boxing "A good big 'un will always beat a good little 'un".  Stephen Robinson will happily provide SK with advice.  

[SteelmaninOZ]

The gaffer said 

 

[texanwellfan]

5 hours ago, wellwell91 said:

If that ref is not dragged into Willie Collums office on Monday morning and smacked Scottish football is fucked 

He shouldn’t be allowed to ref another premier game. He has no clue. If anyone in the officiating side of things sticks up for him then they should be booted out too. The officiating body needs to stand up and pronounce this as a ridiculous decision and take action against the ref. 
the ref must be the only person on the planet who considers that to be a red card offensE but the fact that VAR called him to review it and he still determined it was a red card is so fkn unbelievable, I just don’t know how to put it not words!!!

  I’d be interested to see what the pundits/reporters Are saying about this call. Of Course I’m even more interested to hear what the refereeing body has to say 😡

[Spiderpig]

3 hours ago, texanwellfan said:

He shouldn’t be allowed to ref another premier game. He has no clue. If anyone in the officiating side of things sticks up for him then they should be booted out too. The officiating body needs to stand up and pronounce this as a ridiculous decision and take action against the ref. 
the ref must be the only person on the planet who considers that to be a red card offensE but the fact that VAR called him to review it and he still determined it was a red card is so fkn unbelievable, I just don’t know how to put it not words!!!

  I’d be interested to see what the pundits/reporters Are saying about this call. Of Course I’m even more interested to hear what the refereeing body has to say 😡

We are not the ugly sisters so the refereeing body will say feck all, as will the SFA, media, etc and the same incompetent officials will still be turning out to referee games next week with no accountability.

If VAR ask the ref to review, they obviously think he's got it wrong so why  not just tell him that, it's not a red card and get on with it, as if he ignores the VAR advice what's the point of them being there., Scottish football is fecked if that's how we are proceeding.