Motherwell v Rangers 29/12/2024

[texanwellfan]

6 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

Watched the BBC highlights earlier and there's a number of controversial decisions. I largely agree with comments above. At both Sevco's early penalty claim and the Lennon Miller's yellow card incident, their players should have been booked for simulation. Whats good for Manwhanise is good for them. The first is a clear dive in the box with no actual contact.

Lennon MIller's yellow card is a joke, given what he's had to suffer at the boots of thugs masquerading as Klmarnock and Dundee United midfielders who got off scot free. Was it even a foul?

Their first goal, apart from being a defensive disaster was an attacker not offside?

TW's 2 chalked off goals: a foul on Butland? Very soft and softer than a challenge on the Ox recently, when a goal was awarded (no VAR check). The offside call was very tight indeed, ostensibly a matter of centimetres and neither clear nor obvious.

These only serve to highlight inconsistencies in the application of rules, even with the aid of VAR.  Similar incidents have occurred in recent matches against Kilmarnock, Dundee United and Celtic with very different outcomes.

The words “clear and obvious error” have apparently been forgotten about. If lines need to be drawn, it’s not fkn clear and obvious 😡 put a freeze frame up (frozen at the right time) and if you can’t immediately go he’s off then let it go. We might be on wrong end of call sometimes but all of this microscopic offside is bullshit and not really the intent of the law. 

[Orinoco]

Butlands initial shove on Watt was more aggressive than Caseys red card.  Watt was probably to honest by staying on his feet.

Yet certain fans in the future will point out we have not beaten them since the year dot. It's hard to win against incompetence and corruption. 

Can't wait for all these decisions to even out....

[Spiderpig]

21 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:

The words “clear and obvious error” have apparently been forgotten about. If lines need to be drawn, it’s not fkn clear and obvious 😡 put a freeze frame up (frozen at the right time) and if you can’t immediately go he’s off then let it go. We might be on wrong end of call sometimes but all of this microscopic offside is bullshit and not really the intent of the law. 

The EPL seems to have resolved the dodgy "millimetres" offside and dubious line drawing by the semi automated offside technology (SAOT).

The Problem we have is that the SFA /SPFL are implementing VAR on ghe cheap, bargin basement systems not fit for purpose, not enough cameras etc and add in the incompetence of the Scottish referees then is it any wonder we get  bargin basement shit decisions.

[clueless]

About the red and blue VAR lines...

A guy on P&B has pointed out that these are misleading. You can see it on the BBC highlights if you freeze it and peer closely. They take a vertical line down from the attacker and defender. Then draw the lines across the pitch from these positions. It's a 3D to 2D compensation thing. And Casey IS in an offside position. Of course, even in 2D, you can see that the ball is already in the air, so they have done all this technical stuff on an incorrect frame.  

[MJC]

44 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:

We might be on wrong end of call sometimes but all of this microscopic offside is bullshit and not really the intent of the law. 

It’s this nonsense that is killing the game imo. This jobsworth-like examination of every goal to find the slightest thing wrong means that you can’t celebrate and enjoy a goal anymore because you know that the VAR team will be scrutinising absolutely everything that went on in the build up to it.

That is not doing anything to help the game in my opinion, quite the opposite and I would gladly see VAR binned tomorrow.

[texanwellfan]

10 minutes ago, clueless said:

About the red and blue VAR lines...

A guy on P&B has pointed out that these are misleading. You can see it on the BBC highlights if you freeze it and peer closely. They take a vertical line down from the attacker and defender. Then draw the lines across the pitch from these positions. It's a 3D to 2D compensation thing. And Casey IS in an offside position. Of course, even in 2D, you can see that the ball is already in the air, so they have done all this technical stuff on an incorrect frame.  

So the red line is actually the position of his shoulder relative to the ground? Well at least they are not using his elbow as furthest Point forward so I feel better about that but still concerned they used the wrong frame

[wellfan]

Can anyone tell me what the point of the KMI panel is, other than to continually highlight the incompetence and bias of the officials?

The opinion of the panel is not that of the officials anyway, and the SFA (Collum) has final say - in the media - on whether they think the controversial decisions were correct or not.

It seems to me that it’s merely a gimmick to allow the SFA to say they’re doing something about the poor officiating by being transparent. Yet we’ve seen that this weekly transparency leads to zero improvements or consequences.

Considering the appallingly poor application of VAR in Scotland and the shite officials we consistently produce, the addition of the KMI panel opinion makes everything look like a complete farce. It’s embarrassing.

Yeh, they got it wrong, again, sorry lads, but sweep sweep, nothing to see here, unless you’re the rangers or Celtic. 

[Spiderpig]

12 minutes ago, wellfan said:

 

Yeh, they got it wrong, again, sorry lads, but sweep sweep, nothing to see here, unless you’re the rangers or Celtic. 

That's the fundamental issue here, The ugly sisters, complain at every opportunity, shamelessly use a compliant media to demand clarification as they like to say, it's about time the other clubs did the same, demand answers, call out the technology, bad officials etc.

If all the other 10 Premiership clubs start to call out the shit show that VAR is, then maybe things might change for the better. It won't happen but we all live in hope that it does.

[clueless]

1 hour ago, texanwellfan said:

So the red line is actually the position of his shoulder relative to the ground? Well at least they are not using his elbow as furthest Point forward so I feel better about that but still concerned they used the wrong frame

Aye, that's my understanding. As for using the wrong frame, I have no idea what the FPS rate is. So, this might be the best one. As others have said, we are trying to claim absolute accuracy from a botch up.

[SteelmaninOZ]

Some highlights ….who called the ref a Clown? Who called the Clown a ref?

 

[Stuwell2]

Of the four main talking points from yesterday my views at the game and since were, 

1 - Motherwell’s first goal, players arm was in beside his body so a good goal. 
2 - Offside goal, from my position in the main stand behind the line of play I initially thought it was offside and from the highlights I’ve seen it’s a very close call which I’m still not sure which is the correct one.
Having said that - and I digress here but - we see it weekly that Casey is flagged for offside at free kicks and is something that needs to be addressed as a lot of our goals come from set pieces so improving the number that aren’t flagged offside improves our chances of scoring. 
3 - TW/Butland goal, saw nothing wrong with it at the time and still don’t. 
4 - LM foul, thought at the time he had caught the players ankle and the highlights confirmed that, looked a great tackle but did endanger the opponent so yellow card was right. 
 

Id also like to add that over the last few games the referees and VAR  have been bad and I don’t know if it’s that there’s a bit of a backlash from them for calling them out or the usual  OF arse cheeks bias. 

[mcguru]

So the "Scottish FA's key match incident panel" says goal should have stood where Butland threw the baw into the net.

I'm other news, there's a bear running roon looking for a toilet roll.

I must have missed The Rangers 2012 Co Ltd issuing a statement lamenting the fact a team were denied a perfectly good goal? I thought they were all for applying all the laws of the game equally to all teams?

[weeyin]

The only sure things in life are death, taxes and Rangers getting the benefit of an incorrect VAR decision.

[Spiderpig]

A bit of sound advice for tonight guys, when midnight arrives, wait at least 5 mins before celebrating until VAR confirms it. 👍