Pyrotechnics

[Kmcalpin]

An interesting development in Edinburgh yesterday, which helps to shed light on double standards within our Society. According to the BBC, 2 men were arrested in the Haymarket area of Edinburgh before the the Hearts Hibs derby for posssession of a pyro.  A 3rd man was arrested approximately 440 metres from Tynecastle for igniting a pyro. Neither incident was adjacent to Tynecastle. I have no detailed knowledge of either alleged incident. the report goes on "Police Scotland Assistant Chief Constable Gary Ritchie said fans setting off pyro around football matches was putting other supporters at risk". 

That may well be the case. The point I've made often before is why football fans are being singled out. We've often seen pyros being lit in the middle of large non football related crowds eg political demonstrations. Police Scotland took no action and presumably no offences took place. Is that not double standards? Surely the pertinent fact should be that pyros are being lit in large crowds; and not, who is in the crowd; who has the pyro or the purpose of the gathering. Pyros can cause breathing or safety problems irrespective of who is holding them. This is a matter for the Scottish Government which has so far turned a blind eye to the issue.  

[Mccus28]

On 12/27/2024 at 6:06 PM, Kmcalpin said:

An interesting development in Edinburgh yesterday, which helps to shed light on double standards within our Society. According to the BBC, 2 men were arrested in the Haymarket area of Edinburgh before the the Hearts Hibs derby for posssession of a pyro.  A 3rd man was arrested approximately 440 metres from Tynecastle for igniting a pyro. Neither incident was adjacent to Tynecastle. I have no detailed knowledge of either alleged incident. the report goes on "Police Scotland Assistant Chief Constable Gary Ritchie said fans setting off pyro around football matches was putting other supporters at risk". 

That may well be the case. The point I've made often before is why football fans are being singled out. We've often seen pyros being lit in the middle of large non football related crowds eg political demonstrations. Police Scotland took no action and presumably no offences took place. Is that not double standards? Surely the pertinent fact should be that pyros are being lit in large crowds; and not, who is in the crowd; who has the pyro or the purpose of the gathering. Pyros can cause breathing or safety problems irrespective of who is holding them. This is a matter for the Scottish Government which has so far turned a blind eye to the issue.  

The fact you said you no detailed knowledge of the incidents should be enough for you not to speculate.

We/you have zero idea why they were arrested or the circumstances surrounding the arrests.

Its for the courts to determine their guilt.

[Kmcalpin]

27 minutes ago, Mccus28 said:

The fact you said you no detailed knowledge of the incidents should be enough for you not to speculate.

We/you have zero idea why they were arrested or the circumstances surrounding the arrests.

Its for the courts to determine their guilt.

I was not speculating on the alleged incidents. The first paragraph is factual and pretty much lifted from a BBC report, which is slightly more specific than my summary. My second paragraph is a general point about pyros and current legislation.

Yes, it is very much for the courts to deal with the alleged incidents and I make no comment about the specifics. 

[Spiderpig]

31 minutes ago, Mccus28 said:

The fact you said you no detailed knowledge of the incidents should be enough for you not to speculate.

We/you have zero idea why they were arrested or the circumstances surrounding the arrests.

Its for the courts to determine their guilt.

3 men in possession of pyros of whatever description arrested close to Tynecastle stadium on the day of a Hearts v Hibs Derby, aye you don't need to be Columbo to work out what their intentions were, guilty as charged.

[Mccus28]

19 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

I was not speculating on the alleged incidents. The first paragraph is factual and pretty much lifted from a BBC report, which is slightly more specific than my summary. My second paragraph is a general point about pyros and current legislation.

Yes, it is very much for the courts to deal with the alleged incidents and I make no comment about the specifics. 

Im no expert but im sure any report that goes would be more detailed than 3 guys arrested for pyro, you dont know the circumstances, the charges, the details of the incidents.

Im just not sure why you try to defend these fans and others that bring pyro to games??

There is zero need for it and its going to start costing our club money which isn't on!!!!!

 

[Kmcalpin]

I'm not defending any fans. For the record, I'm against the use of pyros in large crowds, football related or not. They should only be used for the purpose for which they are legally intended. My point is that legislation should outlaw their use and be extended to cover all crowds, irrespective of why that crowd had gathered. 

In general terms it seems to be legal, under current legislation, to set off pyros anywhere in a public crowd as long  it's done as part of a non football related protest, demonstration. or celebration. The legislation needs to be standardised. Irrespective of the location, or purpose, they can be serious for folk with breathing conditions. 

I agree with your last point.