Kilmarnock v Motherwell 08/01/2025

[FirParkCornerExile]

6 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

Any quick initial impressions of Andrews? What kind of midfielder is he? I know there's not much to go on. 

Impossible to tell every ball was played over his head. 

[Richie]

There was one brief flash where he did well to dispossess Killie player and then started to build an attack.

Unfortunately Watt's (I think) return pass was behind him and it fizzled out.

Seemed to have decent positional sense off the ball.

Not much to go on though really as he didn't see much action.

[SteelmaninOZ]

The gaffer said 

 

[FirParkCornerExile]

2 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said:

The gaffer said 

 

will clicking on this send me off the deep end ?

[AllyMax]

32 minutes ago, thewelllfan said:

We could do with a LWB in the mould of Gent tbh just someone that's athletic and decent going forward. 

Not trying to use this as an excuse for the fact that we played shite tonight, but, this season, with all the international breaks, players were playing 3 games a month and then what, 5 in a fortnight ? That canny be good for any team or player. 

[FirParkCornerExile]

Pretty much the same as he says after each shite performance. He says they can play better than that so why do they not try. These hoof ball aimless punt performances are far too frequent for it not to be deliberate and if its not deliberate why cant he stop them playing like that

[FirParkCornerExile]

Just now, AllyMax said:

Not trying to use this as an excuse for the fact that we played shite tonight, but, this season, with all the international breaks, players were playing 3 games a month and then what, 5 in a fortnight ? That canny be good for any team or player. 

doesnt explain why EVERY ball is sent skywards

[Ya Bezzer!]

34 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Apologies I'm just so fuckin angry paying out money every week to watch this fuckin dross every week.

Aberdeen game was decent, Rangers game was good, Dundee Utd game was great.

All recent matches.

I've been going for 40 years and it's always been the case that if you went to a Motherwell match it was more likely than not we wouldn't win or wouldn't play well.

Motherwell are a team you support.  It's not an entertainment event.  You have to have the stomach for it and you have to have realistic levels of expectation.  If you don't, Rangers and Celtic are just down the road.

And of course the standard of the game has regressed massively over the time I've been going but that's mostly down to economic factors that extend across the whole of Scottish football and most other nation's football.

It's not dross every week but it is a lot.  That's just how it is and it's not going to change.  So you either have to accept that or move on.

Every single person here would love it if Motherwell played better football and scored more goals and won more games but that's not the reason you go.

 

[robsterwood]

That first half football was worst I've seen in a long time. Long high balls hoping for the best. Midfield non existent. Need energy and legs in middle. Holliday getn on a bit. Still useful as sub.On a positive note. We defended well at the many corners and free kicks they had. Ox stand out man of match. Hoped for more football to be played than hoof ball. 

[FirParkCornerExile]

10 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Aberdeen game was decent, Rangers game was good, Dundee Utd game was great.

All recent matches.

I've been going for 40 years and it's always been the case that if you went to a Motherwell match it was more likely than not we wouldn't win or wouldn't play well.

Motherwell are a team you support.  It's not an entertainment event.  You have to have the stomach for it and you have to have realistic levels of expectation.  If you don't, Rangers and Celtic are just down the road.

And of course the standard of the game has regressed massively over the time I've been going but that's mostly down to economic factors that extend across the whole of Scottish football and most other nation's football.

It's not dross every week but it is a lot.  That's just how it is and it's not going to change.  So you either have to accept that or move on.

Every single person here would love it if Motherwell played better football and scored more goals and won more games but that's not the reason you go.

 

This season its dross more often than not. Awful against Ross County , Awful against Hibs,  Awful against Dundee, Awful against St Mirren , Awful against Celtic ... all recent games. Aberdeen game we played for 15 mins and couldnt do bugger all against 10 men. I've followed Motherwell home and away every week for 50 years. Have been a season ticket holder for 50 years. I'm well aware of what being a Motherwell fan is and what to expect. I'm not expecting world beating football but Im expecting us to try and play football. Booting the ball high and long all day is not trying to platy football and we play that style far to often this season. 

[Kmcalpin]

13 minutes ago, AllyMax said:

Not trying to use this as an excuse for the fact that we played shite tonight, but, this season, with all the international breaks, players were playing 3 games a month and then what, 5 in a fortnight ? That canny be good for any team or player. 

Definitely a factor Ally. A lot of our lads will be running on empty, quite apart from having to deal with injuries. 

I'm quite happy to play hoofball but please let us sign a big target man this month to allow us to do it effectively.

[couttsy]

What an utterly depressing performance, still trying to get over the fact I paid £27 to watch that.

How we escaped with a point tonight beggars belief! 4-0 would have been a fair reflection on how it played out, we were completely and utterly outplayed in every department.

If we start at Easter Road on Sat with 5 defenders, 3 forwards and only 2 in the middle I fear our luck will well and truly run out. Allowing the opposition to have 60/70% possession will eventually catch up with you, just a matter of time before your luck runs out.

[wellgirl]

10 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

This season its dross more often than not. Awful against Ross County , Awful against Hibs,  Awful against Dundee, Awful against St Mirren , Awful against Celtic ... all recent games. Aberdeen game we played for 15 mins and couldnt do bugger all against 10 men. I've followed Motherwell home and away every week for 50 years. Have been a season ticket holder for 50 years. I'm well aware of what being a Motherwell fan is and what to expect. I'm not expecting world beating football but Im expecting us to try and play football. Booting the ball high and long all day is not trying to platy football and we play that style far to often this season. 

We don't play dross every week. We are in a very decent league position and we've been very unlucky with injuries over the last 18 months or so. The negativity on here is astonishing but not surprising 

[FirParkCornerExile]

4 minutes ago, couttsy said:

What an utterly depressing performance, still trying to get over the fact I paid £27 to watch that.
How we escaped with a point tonight beggars belief! 4-0 would have been a fair reflection on how it played out, we were completely and utterly outplayed in every department.
if we start at Easter Road on Sat with 5 defenders, 3 forwards and only 2 in the middle I fear our luck will well and truly run out. Allowing the opposition to have 60/70% possession will eventually catch up with you, just a matter of time before your luck runs out.

Possession doesn't really worry me,  its how we use it when we have it that matters.  Hoof ball is just utterly pointless especially when we never win the second ball. 

[Pettywulliegrew-2]

Stole a point tonight……..keeper made some excellent saves to keep us in the game ……… alarming in the 1st half young Wilson was exposed for strength/speed/vision as most of Killies attack came down the right … it was as he never played on Astro turf before ……. Kaleta and Davor not much better and some of our passing was atrocious out non existent 

Balmers long throw in has worked once at Easter Road …since then his throw ins tend to lead to us defending in our on box within 30 seconds 

Sod could have been the hero ……but sadly not

thankfully the pitch at Killie is being replaced in the summer……….. feeling we’ve not se3n the last of it

[Orinoco]

I think killie have delayed ripping up their pitch for ar least another season. You can see why when they have an advantage.

Better teams than us have struggled there.

 

[Big Wispy Flossy]

6 minutes ago, Pettywulliegrew-2 said:

 

thankfully the pitch at Killie is being replaced in the summer……….. feeling we’ve not se3n the last of it

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news…

[Kmcalpin]

18 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

I've been going for 40 years and it's always been the case that if you went to a Motherwell match it was more likely than not we wouldn't win or wouldn't play well.

Motherwell are a team you support.  It's not an entertainment event.  You have to have the stomach for it and you have to have realistic levels of expectation.  If you don't, Rangers and Celtic are just down the road.

And of course the standard of the game has regressed massively over the time I've been going but that's mostly down to economic factors that extend across the whole of Scottish football and most other nation's football.

It's not dross every week but it is a lot.  That's just how it is and it's not going to change.  So you either have to accept that or move on.

Every single person here would love it if Motherwell played better football and scored more goals and won more games but that's not the reason you go.

Good post. Pretty much how I feel as well. I wasn't there tonight but accept that it was a rotten performance.  I've seen many such ones over the years going back to the 60s. In those days fans just accepted it for what it was and were just glad to avoid the shops. We had very modest expectations. We might read about teams like Manchester United or Liverpool in magazines and knew little about them. If we wanted to watch the likes of Eusebio or Albert Shesternev then we did so when they visited Hampden Park for an international.  Nowadays of course, the English Premier League is afforded wall to wall coverage on the box and the same is true of European football. Last Sunday coming home from the game I reluctantly listened to BBC SCOTLAND Sportsound hoping to catch a quick interview with Stuart Kettlewell, which never came. However we were treated to constant updates of the Liverpool V Manchester United game. A right turn off.

Expectations these days are far higher and the English Premier League is the yardstick - everything else gets compared to that and thats just unrealistic. 

[mfc]

3 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Possession doesn't really worry me,  its how we use it when we have it that matters.  Hoof ball is just utterly pointless especially when we never win the second ball. 

Exactly you dont need the majority of possession to affect how the game pans out but what the actual plan is when we have the ball is anybody's guess.its been hoof ball since the start of the season so why have we ended up with a mish mash of everything but a target man,hitting long balls up to the forwards we have is never going to work,we then don't have any energy or pace in midfield to squeeze the game up when we do hit it long.i don't expect to be entertained with silky football and 3 and 4 goals every week but at the same time I don't want to be bored rigid to the point where it feels like going and watching us is a chore.tonight is a game I normally would have went too but after being at tynecastle I gladly gave it a miss.

[0Neils40yarder]

When we're shite, we're really shite...such a difficult watch 

[grizzlyg]

What was Davie Irons doing at the game between Kettlewell and Caldwell? Has he a new role at the club?

[wellfan]

9 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Aberdeen game was decent, Rangers game was good, Dundee Utd game was great.

All recent matches.

I've been going for 40 years and it's always been the case that if you went to a Motherwell match it was more likely than not we wouldn't win or wouldn't play well.

Motherwell are a team you support.  It's not an entertainment event.  You have to have the stomach for it and you have to have realistic levels of expectation.  If you don't, Rangers and Celtic are just down the road.

And of course the standard of the game has regressed massively over the time I've been going but that's mostly down to economic factors that extend across the whole of Scottish football and most other nation's football.

It's not dross every week but it is a lot.  That's just how it is and it's not going to change.  So you either have to accept that or move on.

Every single person here would love it if Motherwell played better football and scored more goals and won more games but that's not the reason you go.

I see what you’re trying to say across your post, but the point I’ve highlighted in bold above is exactly the collective defeatist attitude that enables and excuses the continual downturn in quality and expectation.

[Wellfan91]

21 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

What was Davie Irons doing at the game between Kettlewell and Caldwell? Has he a new role at the club?

Wondered the same?

[joewarkfanclub]

First of all, really awful watch last night. It was never going to be a great game of football on that pitch in those conditions given the players at our disposal, but we were so far off it first half it was alarming.

We did steady the ship a little second half and were more competitive, but we did so by dragging Kilmarnock down to our level rather than being more creative.

All that said, we got a clean sheet and a very good away point in really difficult circumstances, so it would be churlish to ignore that.

It kind of feels like we discuss the same things on here most weeks and folks positions are fairly entrenched, so not trying to change anyones opinion here, but I do wonder what some of us expect.

We have seen what happens with Hammels team when you try and play football in this league without the quality of player required to do so. Simo is proving it again at St Johnstone right now.

We havent had a fully functioning midfield due to injury since the start of the season. Things are starting to look a little brighter on the horizon, but its going to take a few more weeks to get Nicholson, Slattery and Andrews up to speed. But at the same time we have lost Miller and Paton.

Our only 3 fully fit midfielders last night were Davor, Halliday and Sparrow. I would have been tempted to bring Sparrow on at half time, but that would have meant taking TJ or Vale off who were both putting in a shift anyway. Kaleta and Wilson both had very poor games last night which with a 2 man midfield isnt going to end well. But with Seddon out Wilson has to play and Kaleta's replacement is the much maligned SOD.

The way I view this is that the first half of the season has been a means to an end.

If we are still playing the same way in March, I will start to ask questions.

Sure SK could help himself at times by making better in game changes. But for once last night I thought they did improve us a little.

Back on grass on Saturday with hopefully Stama and Seddon back and available and hopefully McGinn in the starting 11. A bit more game time for Nicholson, Slattery and Andrews and we should be looking a bit more competitive going into the cup game.

File last night in the delete/trash bin.

[andalg]

48 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

What was Davie Irons doing at the game between Kettlewell and Caldwell? Has he a new role at the club?

He's my local policeman so I assume he was there to keep the peace 😃