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St Johnstone V Motherwell 18/01/2025: Scottish Cup


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11 minutes ago, MJC said:

The support that we’ve taken to the last few games at Hampden both this season and way back in 17/18 and even further back in the 10/11 season show that those games mean so much more to the core support and also the ‘potential’ support.  Getting to that stage in either of the domestic Cups just providers a general lift to everyone. 
 

‘Europe’ on the other hand is good for the club on paper but it’s a level we can’t even make a scratch at. 
 

But hey, it’s some experience and a lot of fun eh?

 

”Big leap to the right! Yaaaaasssss!!!
 

Big leap to the left! Yaaaasssss!!!

We’re all goin on a European tour! Yaaaaasssss”

Win draw or lose we booze! Yaaasssss!!!!”

:rolleyes:

Did you ever go on any of the European adventures Athens for the champions league, Katowice, Dortmund, Nancy were 4 of the great ones that will be long remembered, so much better an experience than a predictable loss to either of the ugly sisters in a final.

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But that's just rumour on pie and bov and that was my point. Nothing more than that. I just don't like to see someone being kicked all over the place (this isn't aimed at you). If Kettlewell goes fair enough but in two years time I can guarantee you folk will be shouting for the next person to go if they don't meet our standards 
 

Agree re Kettlewell. It was the same with Hammell, Alexander and towards the end of Robinson’s time.

I want him to do well but it’s hard having watched the last few games. Hearts, Kilmarnock and Hibs are 3 hard away games so I was giving him the benefit of doubt but today was a winnable game and the manner of the defeat makes it hard to not be critical of him.
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Just now, ZT_1886 said:


Agree re Kettlewell. It was the same with Hammell, Alexander and towards the end of Robinson’s time.

I want him to do well but it’s hard having watched the last few games. Hearts, Kilmarnock and Hibs are 3 hard away games so I was giving him the benefit of doubt but today was a winnable game and the manner of the defeat makes it hard to not be critical of him.

People have the right to criticise. I personally just don't want to see someone chased out the way Alexander was. It seems no one is good enough for us at times and before I get rinsed. I've been watching Motherwell for decades and I understand peoples frustration 

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32 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Seriously. You don't like the guy - that's obvious. But why on earth would you think that Casey is going to be having a go at Kettlewell just because of "rumours" on pie and bov. I like Casey but he's made enough mistakes of his own over the piece. 

Correct , Caseys a fuckin bombscare and was utter pish today.

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1 minute ago, wellgirl said:

I actually don't have it in for you. I think I've responded to two of your posts. I need to get out more - you're making this personal. Not me. 

Well all ask you this

have you played a lot of football in your life ? 
have you been in a changing room before a game with a manager dishing out all his instructions ? 
or do you base all write on what you read ? 
just simple questions, that if you answer no to the first 2 then, carry on talking your talk but just block me cause a dont really want to keep trying to justify to you what i write 

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13 minutes ago, MJC said:

The support that we’ve taken to the last few games at Hampden both this season and way back in 17/18 and even further back in the 10/11 season show that those games mean so much more to the core support and also the ‘potential’ support.  Getting to that stage in either of the domestic Cups just providers a general lift to everyone. 
 

‘Europe’ on the other hand is good for the club on paper but it’s a level we can’t even make a scratch at. 
 

But hey, it’s some experience and a lot of fun eh?

 

”Big leap to the right! Yaaaaasssss!!!
 

Big leap to the left! Yaaaasssss!!!

We’re all goin on a European tour! Yaaaaasssss”

Win draw or lose we booze! Yaaasssss!!!!”

:rolleyes:

Think your trying too hard here mjc.

Other than 91 the nancy 2 days was up there and possibly next best experience in my 40 years or so supporting us.

We also had 9/10k v odense at home 9k v olympiakos 6 and7k v other teams. Yes the results disappointed as usual but it was great times. 

Europe is great and semi finals and finals are also great. So my thoughts are enjoy them all.

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Just now, smiddy said:

Well all ask you this

have you played a lot of football in your life ? 
have you been in a changing room before a game with a manager dishing out all his instructions ? 
or do you base all write on what you read ? 
just simple questions, that if you answer no to the first 2 then, carry on talking your talk but just block me cause a dont really want to keep trying to justify to you what i write 

I've never asked you to justify a single thing you've posted on here - you're the person that made it personal - and I will block you if that's what you want. If you don't like being disagreed with that's not my problem 

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4 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Correct , Caseys a fuckin bombscare and was utter pish today.

I actually really like Dan Casey in a lot of ways but if he's in Kettlewells face at half time that's a liberty. Considering how many times he's been caught out this season - it is just rumour though. I think there's a few people on pie and bov who like to play up to the I know something you don't 

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2 minutes ago, smiddy said:

You never answered ma 2 questions 

You asked me if I'm a footballer - are you having a laugh? And then you told me to get out more. Are you a footballer? So basically I can't have an opinion on here because I'm not a footballer? Ok. You clearly know better because you play football. Sorry that I'm a female that doesn't play football. My brother does though so I'll ask him and get back to you 

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5 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

You asked me if I'm a footballer - are you having a laugh? And then you told me to get out more. Are you a footballer? So basically I can't have an opinion on here because I'm not a footballer? Ok. You clearly know better because you play football. Sorry that I'm a female that doesn't play football. My brother does though so I'll ask him and get back to you 

Naw naw naw dont move the goalposts

the questions were relavent

cause if you had been in a dressing room male or female you would understand what managers say b 4 games 

if youv never been in one then you wont

ask your bro that 

 

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8 minutes ago, smiddy said:

Naw naw naw dont move the goalposts

the questions were relavent

cause if you had been in a dressing room male or female you would understand what managers say b 4 games 

if youv never been in one then you wont

ask your bro that 

 

I honestly don't know what you are going on about at this point. 

You said that I was going in on you when I had responded to you once before tonight. Then you said I needed to get out more - and now you are trying to defend Dan Casey based on "rumours" from pie and bov. 

I mean come on - you're saying that I base things on what I read - you're doing the same. Believing the pie and bov posts 

I personally don't think me supporting motherwell should be any greater or lesser whether I've played football or not.

You don't like Kettlewell and that's why you've latched onto the pie and bov "rumours" - but that is completely your perogative 

I mean come on - we surely can't be getting into the realms of someone on pie and bov said it so it must be true. 

The players need to look at themselves as much as Kettlewell and that will be the hill I die on

I'll also defend the right of anyone to their opinion - but at the moment it seems like if you do like Kettlewell - your opinion isn't welcome 

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24 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

But that's just rumour on pie and bov and that was my point. Nothing more than that. I just don't like to see someone being kicked all over the place (this isn't aimed at you). If Kettlewell goes fair enough but in two years time I can guarantee you folk will be shouting for the next person to go if they don't meet our standards 

 

I think the majority of the 2000 or so Motherwell fans who were there today would support Casey if he did actually have a go at Kettlewell. in doing so they would not be excusing Casey's own abysmal performance but holding a Manager to account for what has now been dished up in four consecutive away performances. And at other times earlier in the season.

As to the future if Kettlewell does leave, any new Manager will also be called out if fans are expected to suffer what we have seen in those four matches and others....... having had two years to build his own squad.. And why shouldn't he be? 

Like you, like many on here and in the stands I was supportive of Kettlewell when others were not so keen. As you have said, he earned leeway. Injuries, VAR decisions, the youthfulness of some players and our league position have been touted in his defence. Valid to a degree. But enough is enough. Tynecastle was bad. Rugby Park was worse. Easter Road even worse. And then today. And by the way, every team has to deal with injuries and sometimes those injuries can appear overwhelming. That's why teams have a squad and why Boards support Managers in bringing in players as cover. Nobody can deny that SK has been supported in that manner. Again that maybe brings the focus onto the nature of players recruited.

I keep hoping he will try something different in an effort to pick us up. Agreed, he does change the line up from time to time but nothing changes tactically or approach wise. If the squad is incapable of changing formation then that is down to the Management team that constructed the squad.  Today straight from kick off we handed the initiative to a team adrift at the bottom of the league. A team you would think more fragile than us.  I had hoped he would do things differently for once. Something that would encourage me to support him a bit longer. More fool me. Does anybody really think it will be any different next week?

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3 minutes ago, dennyc said:

I think the majority of the 2000 or so Motherwell fans who were there today would support Casey if he did actually have a go at Kettlewell. in doing so they would not be excusing Casey's own abysmal performance but holding a Manager to account for what has now been dished up in four consecutive away performances. And at other times earlier in the season.

As to the future if Kettlewell does leave, any new Manager will also be called out if fans are expected to suffer what we have seen in those four matches and others....... having had two years to build his own squad.. And why shouldn't he be? 

Like you, like many on here and in the stands I was supportive of Kettlewell when others were not so keen. As you have said, he earned leeway. Injuries, VAR decisions, the youthfulness of some players and our league position have been touted in his defence. Valid to a degree. But enough is enough. Tynecastle was bad. Rugby Park was worse. Easter Road even worse. And then today. And by the way, every team has to deal with injuries and sometimes those injuries can appear overwhelming. That's why teams have a squad and why Boards support Managers in bringing in players as cover. Nobody can deny that SK has been supported in that manner. Again that maybe brings the focus onto the nature of players recruited.

I keep hoping he will try something different in an effort to pick us up. Agreed, he does change the line up from time to time but nothing changes tactically or approach wise. If the squad is incapable of changing formation then that is down to the Management team that constructed the squad.  Today straight from kick off we handed the initiative to a team adrift at the bottom of the league. A team you would think more fragile than us.  I had hoped he would do things differently for once. Something that would encourage me to support him a bit longer. More fool me. Does anybody really think it will be any different next week?

Away to RC shite, Away to Dundee shite, Away to St Mirren shite, Away to Celtic shite, Away to Hearts shite, Away to Killie shite, Away tom Hibs shite, Away to St J shite.. at home to Hibs fuckin abysmal.. we've been utter garbage a lot longer than 3 or 4 games.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Just now, dennyc said:

I think the majority of the 2000 or so Motherwell fans who were there today would support Casey if he did actually have a go at Kettlewell. in doing so they would not be excusing Casey's own abysmal performance but holding a Manager to account for what has now been dished up in four consecutive away performances. And at other times earlier in the season.

As to the future if Kettlewell does leave, any new Manager will also be called out if fans are expected to suffer what we have seen in those four matches and others....... having had two years to build his own squad.. And why shouldn't he be? 

Like you, like many on here and in the stands I was supportive of Kettlewell when others were not so keen. As you have said, he earned leeway. Injuries, VAR decisions, the youthfulness of some players and our league position have been touted in his defence. Valid to a degree. But enough is enough. Tynecastle was bad. Rugby Park was worse. Easter Road even worse. And then today. And by the way, every team has to deal with injuries and sometimes those injuries can appear overwhelming. That's why teams have a squad and why Boards support Managers in bringing in players as cover. Nobody can deny that SK has been supported in that manner. Again that maybe brings the focus onto the nature of players recruited.

I keep hoping he will try something different in an effort to pick us up. Agreed, he does change the line up from time to time but nothing changes tactically or approach wise. If the squad is incapable of changing formation then that is down to the Management team that constructed the squad.  Today straight from kick off we handed the initiative to a team adrift at the bottom of the league. A team you would think more fragile than us.  I had hoped he would do things differently for once. Something that would encourage me to support him a bit longer. More fool me. Does anybody really think it will be any different next week?

I completely understand where you are coming from. But we have 9 players out and a new goalie - it might have been different if Ox was in goals 

I hope so is the answer 

If Casey did call him out he's taken long enough. I'm not a fan of rumours - and Im concerned personally that if a conversation of that type took place someone has leaked it - at a time where we don't need disharmony

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I am still a supporter of Stuart Kettlewell, he has passion for the club which most recent managers have not had , Stephen Robinson not included 

The style of football recently is not going to get many others going to Fir Park,  but it is what it is at the minute when everything is taken into consideration 

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2 minutes ago, twistandshout1983 said:

I am still a supporter of Stuart Kettlewell, he has passion for the club which most recent managers have not had , Stephen Robinson not included 

The style of football recently is not going to get many others going to Fir Park,  but it is what it is at the minute when everything is taken into consideration 

I am too 

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I keep hoping he will try something different in an effort to pick us up. Agreed, he does change the line up from time to time but nothing changes tactically or approach wise. If the squad is incapable of changing formation then that is down to the Management team that constructed the squad.  Today straight from kick off we handed the initiative to a team adrift at the bottom of the league. A team you would think more fragile than us.  I had hoped he would do things differently for once. Something that would encourage me to support him a bit longer. More fool me. Does anybody really think it will be any different next week?

This is exactly where I am. I keep hoping he’ll change it. At what point is he forced to. It would be insanity to go up to Perth next week and setup the exact same way but tbh it would’ve been insanity to set up the same way after watching Killie and Hibs.


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3 minutes ago, twistandshout1983 said:

I am still a supporter of Stuart Kettlewell, he has passion for the club which most recent managers have not had , Stephen Robinson not included 

The style of football recently is not going to get many others going to Fir Park,  but it is what it is at the minute when everything is taken into consideration 

That’s the thing, I genuinely do think that Kettlewell does have a bit of passion and desire to do well for the club and for that I want to like him and want him to do well. But the problem is he just isn’t pulling it off and we are seeing the same failing performances week after week. And that’s why it’s not sustainable.

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7 minutes ago, MJC said:

As I’ve already said I think we might well scrape a win next week. However the damage is already done today and even if we do win next week the team and the manager will still be in the bad books with alot of the support for today’s pathetic showing. 

The tipping point has been reached. It’s only a matter of time now. 

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Where to begin. Start with the positives: great to see a big travelling support and commendable that they generally stuck with the team until the final whistle when they ( rightly) showed their displeasure at the performance. 

Sam Nicholson and Callum Slattery looked like football players and hopefully they will have more to offer as their fitness improves.

The big negative for me is the way we start games. It is so passive. Today was a Scottish Cup game with a big away support and the team were once again really flat. This needs addressing because it sets the tone of the game and it is happening too often.

Regarding Kettlewell past, present and future. He has proved to be the right man for us to this point. Keeping us in the division twice, a League Cup Semi Final and a top 6 berth in the league are proof of this even if there has been disagreement on the style of football on the way through.

9 injuries today are significant. A squad with limited resource cannot absorb that kind of set back without it affecting performance. It does not make the performance today acceptable but neither can it be ignored.

The big misconception about the future is that there is a magic bullet somewhere out there that is going to fix things. There is not a single football team out with Celtic that plays good football in Scotland. Teams may show flashes of decent play but generally the league serves up mediocre semi professional tripe every week that passes as entertainment because of the emotional connection we have with our team.

St Johnstone were rotten today, just slightly less rotten than us. Let's not kid ourselves that Valakari has them playing free flowing football. Teams up and down the country packed with journeyman pros will be serving up similar eye bleeding fare and passing it off as entertainment. Some supporters will accept it because they win this week, others will moan about how terrible their team is until all is forgotten when they win next time out.

I have watched Motherwell in Cup games for 45 years and what I witnessed today, I have witnessed before, often against lower league opposition. Morton, Ayr United,Albion Rovers,Raith Rovers, Mypa, Stjarnaan to name but a very few. Different manager's, same outcome.

If I am stupid enough to keep paying my money in the future ( as I will be)I will see it again no matter who the manager is in the coming years. 

There is nothing ( other than the vagueries of very short memories) to make a valid case for sacking SK as a result of today result or results so far this season.

I am still gutted tonight right enough.

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21 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
Away to RC shite, Away to Dundee shite, Away to St Mirren shite, Away to Celtic shite, Away to Hearts shite, Away to Killie shite, Away tom Hibs shite, Away to St J shite.. at home to Hibs fuckin abysmal.. we've been utter garbage a lot longer than 3 or 4 games.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I did say "And at other times during the season". 

And I agree with your list.

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