St Johnstone V Motherwell 18/01/2025: Scottish Cup

[SteelmaninOZ]

4 hours ago, grizzlyg said:

Extra terrestrial? I think we all phone home in that case 🤪🤪

Beam me up! 

[joewarkfanclub]

7 hours ago, David said:

I'm pretty certain that would not be the case. In nearly forty years of following Motherwell, I can count on one hand the times fans have walked away from a cup defeat saying, "Well, we lost to a team destined for relegation, but at least we went down fighting! Fair play to the manager and players for that effort!"

We all know that even if we do win, there’ll be the usual crowd reluctant to offer any sort of credit to the team or the manager. Instead, it’ll be a discussion of how poor the opposition were, how we should have beaten them anyway, and the usual nitpicking about aspects of our performance.

And of course, we can’t forget the classic, “Why don’t we play like that every week?” if we happen to put in a good shift and everything clicks for us.

I think you are confusing the entire Motherwell Support for this place.

If we win tomorrow Im pretty sure the entire 1700 Motherwell fans or whatever the number is will go mental and appreciate the players for keeping a dream alive.

[David]

12 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:

I think you are confusing the entire Motherwell Support for this place.

If we win tomorrow Im pretty sure the entire 1700 Motherwell fans or whatever the number is will go mental and appreciate the players for keeping a dream alive.

Whether we like it or not, this forum is a mirror of our broader fanbase.

Forums like this one are a small-scale representation of the wider support in the real world. Admittedly, the more negative voices may be louder here than they are in the stadium, but they still exist in comparable proportions, in my opinion.

[Kmcalpin]

15 minutes ago, David said:

Whether we like it or not, this forum is a mirror of our broader fanbase.

Forums like this one are a small-scale representation of the wider support in the real world. Admittedly, the more negative voices may be louder here than they are in the stadium, but they still exist in comparable proportions, in my opinion.

Is it though David? Its probably a rough reflection of the wider support but we just don't know. Many older fans might not use the internet much and those who do might not post. Many fans do not post on here for various reasons. I suspect the demographiocs, characteristics and views of P & B patrons might be a little different to those on here. 

In short, we just can't be sure.

[David]

3 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

Is it though David? Its probably a rough reflection of the wider support but we just don't know. Many older fans might not use the internet much and those who do might not post. Many fans do not post on here for various reasons. I suspect the demographiocs, characteristics and views of P & B patrons might be a little different to those on here. 

In short, we just can't be sure.

That’s why I specifically mentioned forums “like this one” and not just this one in isolation. I genuinely believe that the opinions expressed across both platforms give us a fairly accurate reflection of what our wider fanbase is thinking—particularly now that some of the more obvious trolls have been put on moderation.

Of course, we can’t be entirely certain, as there’s no definitive way to prove it. It’s simply my perspective.

[Electric Blues]

33 minutes ago, David said:

That’s why I specifically mentioned forums “like this one” and not just this one in isolation. I genuinely believe that the opinions expressed across both platforms give us a fairly accurate reflection of what our wider fanbase is thinking—particularly now that some of the more obvious trolls have been put on moderation.

Of course, we can’t be entirely certain, as there’s no definitive way to prove it. It’s simply my perspective.

There are quite a few who post on both forums, you and me included, and - in my perspective - both forums are a bit different. I enjoy them both, but in different ways. The prevailing wisdom on P&B is this is largely due to the difference between a single-team forum and a multi-team forum. On P&B you are pretty much forced to interact with supporters of other teams, whether you like it or not. This moderates the behaviour of some posters, and makes others worse, but it definitely changes the overall dynamic.

[grizzlyg]

Lot of changes again. Wilson lucky to be starting,  captain Halliday 

COYW

[texanwellfan]

What’s the line up

[Orinoco]

Mair kaleta Wilson casey Blaney balmer halliday andrews nicholsen vale tj

[MJC]

Think we’re beat.

[wellon]

8 minutes ago, MJC said:

Think we’re beat.

Wearisome

[stv]

2 hours ago, David said:

That’s why I specifically mentioned forums “like this one” and not just this one in isolation. I genuinely believe that the opinions expressed across both platforms give us a fairly accurate reflection of what our wider fanbase is thinking—particularly now that some of the more obvious trolls have been put on moderation.

Of course, we can’t be entirely certain, as there’s no definitive way to prove it. It’s simply my perspective.

Just like real life, people posting on the internet are not a proper real representation of everyones views , just a small % of people that can be arsed posting or using the internet and are happy to broadcast their general opinions to the world. The majority who don’t views could be totally different. I would suggest there is a very large majority that dont put their views across online because they are busy doing other stuff. No way anything on internet can be taken as a representation of everyone ,it would be wrong to suggest so. Look at the Trump election , if you believed the internet , poles and forums he was going to get beat or at best run close . Look how that turned out in reality. 

Read forums , post stuff and argue but can’t be taken as an actual representation of everyones views, I don’t think.
 

[David]

9 minutes ago, stv said:

Just like real life, people posting on the internet are not a proper real representation of everyones views , just a small % of people that can be arsed posting or using the internet and are happy to broadcast their general opinions to the world. The majority who don’t views could be totally different. I would suggest there is a very large majority that dont put their views across online because they are busy doing other stuff. No way anything on internet can be taken as a representation of everyone ,it would be wrong to suggest so. Look at the Trump election , if you believed the internet , poles and forums he was going to get beat or at best run close . Look how that turned out in reality. 

Read forums , post stuff and argue but can’t be taken as an actual representation of everyones views, I don’t think.

I think the situation with Trump was quite different, as it centred around social media and the algorithms that amplify the echo chamber effect. If you’re on X, for instance, and you’re a Democrat reading and sharing views aligned with your beliefs, the platform feeds you similar content. It’s easy to start thinking that what you’re seeing reflects a broader societal perspective.

What I’m saying is that across both forums, you get a fairly decent snapshot of the fanbase as a whole. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest that the majority of fans are feeling a bit fed up with how we’re playing at the moment, for a variety of reasons. That said, most people seem to acknowledge we’re in a relatively good position and hold out hope that things will improve. Meanwhile, a vocal minority with a more negative outlook tends to get more attention than their numbers would suggest.

Wouldn’t that description also fit the three stands at Fir Park during any given home game right now?

I’m not claiming that every Motherwell fan is active on a forum, but the small sample size does seem to reflect what we’re seeing from the wider fanbase. What I’ve described isn’t far off what I think the majority of supporters are feeling at the moment—or at least, that’s my impression. Unless, of course, I’ve completely missed the mark.

In any case, it’s not that big of a deal. Just more of an observation than anything else.

[Orinoco]

State of their pitch.

[parko66]

2 minutes ago, Orinoco said:

State of their pitch.

Yeah the pitch isn't looking great at all.

Audio on the stream isn't great either - hopefully they sort that out by ko

[Mad Dog]

4 minutes ago, Orinoco said:

State of their pitch.

'Salright, the ball won't spend much time on it.

[Kmcalpin]

7 minutes ago, Orinoco said:

State of their pitch.

Why is it being watered? It's heavy enough.

[texanwellfan]

Hoping the “good” TJ turns up today and that we see some attacking runs from Kaletta and of course a few goals for us, well at least one more goal than St Johnstone get   

[texanwellfan]

Pitch looks dreadful 

[AllyMax]

Whats everyone watching this on ?

 

[Richie]

1 minute ago, AllyMax said:

Whats everyone watching this on ?

 

Fawanews has it

[AllyMax]

2 minutes ago, Richie said:

Fawanews has it

Thanks for that. None of my usual places working today.

 

[MJC]

1-0 St.Johnstone

Tie over

[Richie]

1-0 St Johnstone

Shambles at a corner

[Orinoco]

Nothing changed. We were always going to need 2 goals.