St Johnstone v Motherwell 25/01/2025

[Benson]

37 minutes ago, Erskine Alpha said:

But on a positive note I thought sparrow done well

Agree,plenty of energy, decent lad, I like him 

[FirParkCornerExile]

Said to my mate as soon as the clock hit 80 mins if StJ score in the next 5 mins they will win the game. Substitutions destroyed us. But hey what the fuck do I know I've not spent a lifetime in the game. 

[Throughthelaces]

34 minutes ago, mfc said:

There can't be many left that's played under the last 4 managers,if kettlewell has lost the dressing room that's on him,today is the perfect example,he's asking defenders to constantly keep coming under pressure cause he has zero interest in playing any forward thinking football,he can't keep asking that when we aren't great at defending at the best of times,I really hope it's true that casey had a pop at kettlewell cause him and the rest would have every right too

There's Steven odonnel which I've heard folk say he had issues with Alexander and Hammy I'm also sure he'd a thing with Robbo. Which if the case we can't keep someone who's gonna choose who he will and won't play for. 

 

Remember when the players down tools for the manager they down tools for us the fans and the club as a whole. 

[mfc]

2 minutes ago, Throughthelaces said:

There's Steven odonnel which I've heard folk say he had issues with Alexander and Hammy I'm also sure he'd a thing with Robbo. Which if the case we can't keep someone who's gonna choose who he will and won't play for. 

 

Remember when the players down tools for the manager they down tools for us the fans and the club as a whole. 

Odonnell should have been out the door at the end of last season for the fact that he isn't a very good player and your right there was definitely issues with him and alexander at the very least.

[wellfan]

1 minute ago, mfc said:

Odonnell should have been out the door at the end of last season for the fact that he isn't a very good player and your right there was definitely issues with him and alexander at the very least.

Exactly, but some genius gave him a contract and made him vice-captain. 

[twistandshout1983]

Very disappointing result , had a feeling the longer the game went on St Johnstone would score

But 2 goals as quick as that ,  big improvement needed very soon or we can forget about the top 6

[SteelmaninOZ]

 

 

[grizzlyg]

Craggs rhymed off stats on radio Scotland,   12th for possession in league 38%,  least shots on target and keeper has made most saves.

Stats don't get you points but they tell you how we are set up......yet somehow still 5th

[Throughthelaces]

21 minutes ago, wellfan said:

Exactly, but some genius gave him a contract and made him vice-captain. 

And said footballing genius should be out the door with him.

[prideoflanarkshire]

31 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said:

 

 

He’s a fraud…the message at half time is to push on and go on the front foot??? He for real!!! Try looking at your negative subs you fecking foul

[wellsince75]

31 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Craggs rhymed off stats on radio Scotland,   12th for possession in league 38%,  least shots on target and keeper has made most saves.

Stats don't get you points but they tell you how we are set up......yet somehow still 5th

Yes - hard to win games where every game the opposition has double the passes , double possession and doubt the shots

unsurprising since November the opposition have also had double the goals

form since November is 11th in the league , we are 5th due to an excellent start. 
 

by March reasonable to expect is to be 10th

[smiddy]

35 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said:

 

 

Scotty  needs to start asking the real questions n not the half arsed cop out ones, youv  gave him an easy ride

start askin him the ones the fans want answered

or u can fuck of as well scotty boy 

[mfc]

34 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Craggs rhymed off stats on radio Scotland,   12th for possession in league 38%,  least shots on target and keeper has made most saves.

Stats don't get you points but they tell you how we are set up......yet somehow still 5th

Those stats are grim,we have the least amount of possession in the league which in turn means we create very little in attack and are constantly under pressure at the other end,that's clearly how kettlewell wants us too play but yet he's came out today and said we never spend enough time in the opposition half,total mixed message there from him,I think hes at the stage now we're he's saying any old guff in the hope that we're all daft enough too fall for it.

[grizzlyg]

1 minute ago, smiddy said:

Scotty  needs to start asking the real questions n not the half arsed cop out ones, youv  gave him an easy ride

start askin him the ones the fans want answered

or u can fuck of as well scotty boy 

Didn't realise interviewer was called Scott,  how did you know that? 🤪🤪🤪

[grizzlyg]

1 minute ago, mfc said:

Those stats are grim,we have the least amount of possession in the league which in turn means we create very little in attack and are constantly under pressure at the other end,that's clearly how kettlewell wants us too play but yet he's came out today and said we never spend enough time in the opposition half,total mixed message there from him,I think hes at the stage now we're he's saying any old guff in the hope that we're all daft enough too fall for it.

Now now, remember......we aren't experts 🤪

[smiddy]

2 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Didn't realise interviewer was called Scott,  how did you know that? 🤪🤪🤪

🤣🤣🤣think i heard him mention it once or twice 

[mfc]

Just now, grizzlyg said:

Now now, remember......we aren't experts 🤪

Damn I forgot we needed to be experts,I take back what I just said 😂

[prideoflanarkshire]

41 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Craggs rhymed off stats on radio Scotland,   12th for possession in league 38%,  least shots on target and keeper has made most saves.

Stats don't get you points but they tell you how we are set up......yet somehow still 5th

38% possession. 
 

I think I read somewhere that on average the ball is in play for about 60 mins per game. If that is the case we only have the ball for 23 mins per game and I’d bet half of that is in defence and the goalie. 

[wellgirl]

1 hour ago, Throughthelaces said:

There's Steven odonnel which I've heard folk say he had issues with Alexander and Hammy I'm also sure he'd a thing with Robbo. Which if the case we can't keep someone who's gonna choose who he will and won't play for. 

 

Remember when the players down tools for the manager they down tools for us the fans and the club as a whole. 

I personally don't think that's fair. By all accounts there were issues between SOD and Alexander but from what people who are connected with the club have suggested is that SOD wasn't treated very well by Alexander and wanted out. 

He wasn't playing for a chunk under Alexander - I don't think that's the same as downing tools. How can you down tools when you aren't getting a game. 

Also - if people did down tools under Hammell - they did it as a collective. It clearly wasn't just one player. 

Liam Kelly went on TV saying the players let Alexander down - after the Sligo games - how can any of that be pinned on one player?

Where is the evidence that SOD had issues with Robbo and Hammell? 

The entire team didn't turn up at the Raith game - if players had an issue with Hammell and he lost the dressing room it wasn't just SOD to blame

[grizzlyg]

9 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

I personally don't think that's fair. By all accounts there were issues between SOD and Alexander but from what people who are connected with the club have suggested is that SOD wasn't treated very well by Alexander and wanted out. 

He wasn't playing for a chunk under Alexander - I don't think that's the same as downing tools. How can you down tools when you aren't getting a game. 

Also - if people did down tools under Hammell - they did it as a collective. It clearly wasn't just one player. 

Liam Kelly went on TV saying the players let Alexander down - after the Sligo games - how can any of that be pinned on one player?

Where is the evidence that SOD had issues with Robbo and Hammell? 

The entire team didn't turn up at the Raith game - if players had an issue with Hammell and he lost the dressing room it wasn't just SOD to blame

I agree, poor SOD seems to get blamed for everything,   see that storm yesterday......SOD caused it 🤪

[wellgirl]

1 minute ago, grizzlyg said:

I agree, poor SOD seems to get blamed for everything,   see that storm yesterday......SOD caused it 🤪

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. 

 

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 hour ago, twistandshout1983 said:

Very disappointing result , had a feeling the longer the game went on St Johnstone would score

But 2 goals as quick as that ,  big improvement needed very soon or we can forget about the top 6

On current form and trajectory its not the top 6 we should be worrying about its the play off spot cos that's where we are heading unless there is a drastic change. I know the happy clappers will be in uproar at that view and will say we are only 6pts off 4th place but seriously tell me one team you have watched in the last two months worse than us. Please tell me what you see that isn't abject shite and gives you hope we wont hit 11th based on what you have watched in the last two months.

That is 3rd transfer window the club have supported SK , he has the biggest 1st team squad in yonks and we are still garbage. I know there are injuries but every club has injuries. The argument that the loss of LM is killing us doesn't wash with me. He has played in most of the dross we have watched in the last two months , we are actually dragging the poor guy down to a level he shouldn't have to operate at. LM would not change the utter shite we are witnessing because the manger sets us up to play a certain way. If LM has any sense he will get out this window cos we are doing NOTHING to enhance his reputation and good luck to him. we might need his money in the Championship.. 

 

 

[Throughthelaces]

13 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

I personally don't think that's fair. By all accounts there were issues between SOD and Alexander but from what people who are connected with the club have suggested is that SOD wasn't treated very well by Alexander and wanted out. 

He wasn't playing for a chunk under Alexander - I don't think that's the same as downing tools. How can you down tools when you aren't getting a game. 

Also - if people did down tools under Hammell - they did it as a collective. It clearly wasn't just one player. 

Liam Kelly went on TV saying the players let Alexander down - after the Sligo games - how can any of that be pinned on one player?

Where is the evidence that SOD had issues with Robbo and Hammell? 

The entire team didn't turn up at the Raith game - if players had an issue with Hammell and he lost the dressing room it wasn't just SOD to blame

I have heard from someone trustworthy that SOD went to higher ups and complained about Hammell and let's remember Alexander dropped him because he was Guff inthink Alexander treated him how his performances in a motherwell shirt warrant him to be treated. 

 

If I took over tomorrow he'd be first out the door. 

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 minute ago, Throughthelaces said:

I have heard from someone trustworthy that SOD went to higher ups and complained about Hammell and let's remember Alexander dropped him because he was Guff inthink Alexander treated him how his performances in a motherwell shirt warrant him to be treated. 

 

If I took over tomorrow he'd be first out the door. 

I had heard the story that Hammel had SOD round the neck in the dressing room after the RR debacle and accused SOD of doing him in,  that may or may not have been the case but SH was rightly sacked whether SOD did go above his head or not.

[Throughthelaces]

1 minute ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

I had heard the story that Hammel had SOD round the neck in the dressing room after the RR debacle and accused SOD of doing him in,  that may or may not have been the case but SH was rightly sacked whether SOD did go above his head or not.

So my basic point is and I'll be very clear about this if any player strolls into motherwell I don't care how good they are if they have an attitude if I don't like the manager and that's going to affect how much effort that is put on when they have a motherwell Jersey on that player and any player like that can get out the door and asked to never return. 

 

It's why I didn't want KVV back as well when others where furious we weren't putting in for him.