St Johnstone v Motherwell 25/01/2025

[dennyc]

1 minute ago, wellon said:

Don't think he gets blamed for everything,  at the same time, he's not very good 

He was far from the worst player today. Does not say a lot admittedly.

[wellgirl]

1 minute ago, wellon said:

Don't think he gets blamed for everything,  at the same time, he's not very good 

Well he does when people are saying he's the only person responsible for past issues in the dressing room 

[Big Wispy Flossy]

Sod is serviceable as anything other than a footballer 

 

[Kmcalpin]

5 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

It was Balcombes first game. Surely we can cut him some slack

He's 6-2, played in the Premiership before and at 25 is no spring chicken. So no excuses for looking very unsure in the air. That will only affect the confidence of an already poor central defence. St Mirren fans said exactly the same about him. A good shot stopper but poor in the air. 

[wellgirl]

Just now, Kmcalpin said:

He's 6-2, played in the Premiership before and at 25 is no spring chicken. So no excuses for looking very unsure in the air. That will only affect the confidence of an already poor central defence. St Mirren fans said exactly the same about him. A good shot stopper but poor in the air. 

Ok. Let's not cut him some slack - let's move him on after one game. 

[Cameron_Mcd]

2 hours ago, smiddy said:

Scotty  needs to start asking the real questions n not the half arsed cop out ones, youv  gave him an easy ride

start askin him the ones the fans want answered

or u can fuck of as well scotty boy 

Always fun when we get to the point of the season when the media team are getting abuse.

Who's next to get sacked? The guy on the tannoy?

[dennyc]

1 minute ago, wellgirl said:

It was Balcombes first game. Surely we can cut him some slack

My honest opinion. And that of the folk sitting beside me.  Maybe Balcombe was nervous but his punched clearances under no real pressure caused issues. And I did give him credit for some top saves and did not blame him for the goals.

I find it much harder to find anything to give Kettlewell credit for. And again, that's my honest opinion on todays offering. And that of anyone I spoke to at the game.

I actually wish I had stuck to my guns and not gone along today. But Perth is fairly local and hope got the better of me. I will be at no more away games until the situation changes and will  be selective regards home games, despite having a Season Ticket. It's just not worth the hurt any more.

 

[twistandshout1983]

1 hour ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

On current form and trajectory its not the top 6 we should be worrying about its the play off spot cos that's where we are heading unless there is a drastic change. I know the happy clappers will be in uproar at that view and will say we are only 6pts off 4th place but seriously tell me one team you have watched in the last two months worse than us. Please tell me what you see that isn't abject shite and gives you hope we wont hit 11th based on what you have watched in the last two months.

That is 3rd transfer window the club have supported SK , he has the biggest 1st team squad in yonks and we are still garbage. I know there are injuries but every club has injuries. The argument that the loss of LM is killing us doesn't wash with me. He has played in most of the dross we have watched in the last two months , we are actually dragging the poor guy down to a level he shouldn't have to operate at. LM would not change the utter shite we are witnessing because the manger sets us up to play a certain way. If LM has any sense he will get out this window cos we are doing NOTHING to enhance his reputation and good luck to him. we might need his money in the Championship.. 

 

 

Agree , we are absolutely a poor watch at the minute

With the exception of the first half of the recent Rangers game , and the 2-0 against Aberdeen there is nothing I have enjoyed too much this season , 4-3 game against Dundee Utd also was a good one

In the semi final as well we were up against a poor Gers mob and absolutely sh*t it 

[wellgirl]

3 minutes ago, dennyc said:

My honest opinion. And that of the folk sitting beside me.  Maybe Balcombe was nervous but his punched clearances under no real pressure caused issues. And I did give him credit for some top saves and did not blame him for the goals.

I find it much harder to find anything to give Kettlewell credit for. And again, that's my honest opinion on todays offering. And that of anyone I spoke to at the game.

I actually wish I had stuck to my guns and not gone along today. But Perth is fairly local and hope got the better of me. I will be at no more away games until the situation changes and will  be selective regards home games, despite having a Season Ticket. It's just not worth the hurt any more.

 

Listen. I completely understand why you are unhappy. 

[Big Wispy Flossy]

9 minutes ago, Cameron_Mcd said:

Always fun when we get to the point of the season when the media team are getting abuse.

Who's next to get sacked? The guy on the tannoy?

Alan burrows clearly 

[Cameron_Mcd]

Think there's a bit of confirmation bias going with Balcombe, he had one dodgy moment in the first half that he was lucky to get away with but apart from that I thought he had a decent enough game.

[dennyc]

1 minute ago, wellgirl said:

Listen. I completely understand why you are unhappy. 

I have been a season ticket holder for decades but I cannot remember feeling as low as I feel now. And I have seen us relegated and survived Malpas, Kampman and Hynd. Maybe it comes with age, but I sat there today thinking ' What is the point?'.

No doubt I will buy a Season Ticket next season because I enjoy going along to the games with my mates. And it is better than shopping....usually. But these last few months have been challenging......much more than the unbeaten run last season......because I am losing belief and more than a little concerned at the decline I am witnessing week on week.

 

[wellgirl]

2 minutes ago, dennyc said:

I have been a season ticket holder for decades but I cannot remember feeling as low as I feel now. And I have seen us relegated and survived Malpas, Kampman and Hynd. Maybe it comes with age, but I sat there today thinking ' What is the point?'.

No doubt I will buy a Season Ticket next season because I enjoy going along to the games with my mates. And it is better than shopping....usually. But these last few months have been challenging......much more than the unbeaten run last season......because I am losing belief and more than a little concerned at the decline I am witnessing week on week.

 

I went to my first game in 1979. Me too. Yeah it's been awful but when Stuart goes then hopefully the next manager will rejuvenate the side. That's what people are hoping for obviously 

[Spit_It_Out]

10 minutes ago, Cameron_Mcd said:

Think there's a bit of confirmation bias going with Balcombe, he had one dodgy moment in the first half that he was lucky to get away with but apart from that I thought he had a decent enough game.

Aye from the highlights i have seen he looked pretty decent our defending for the goals however is beyond woeful.

Starting to think we are missing a genuine leader on the pitch they just look all over the place no organization whatsoever.

[Kmcalpin]

Pre match I thought our line up looked very risky in defence. Either a managerial masterstroke  or an own goal. Anyway onto the game. We started reasonably positively an a slight improvement on  last week. Sparrow looked fine going forward but totally lost defensively and St Johnstone soon picked up on this. That pattern persisted until Sparrow retired.

We scored from the penalty after  a blatant hand ball that everyone except the referee saw. After that things went downhill. We sat deeper and deeper and our forays upfield became rarer and more half hearted.  Like last week St Johnstone were far better when off the ball they harried, chased and got in our faces. In contrast we sat off them, gave them space and looked passive. After the break things continued in the same vein but got worse. Our midfield simply disappeared and a raft of changes didn’t help, especially bringing on so many new boys. Paton’s energy was missed when he tired and went off. Watt ploughed a lone furrow up front and suffered from lack of support.  

I thought that at about the 55 minute mark we needed to bolster the defence, probably by taking off O’Donnell and bringing on Casey for his height and aerial ability.  The final 35 minutes comprised  a siege on our goal with countless corners and crosses and the huge surprise was that St Johnstone didn’t score more and sooner.  

A very slight improvement on last week for the opening spell but thereafter the same flat turgid and half hearted performance.  Although the cast of actors was different the performance was just the same.

All talk and no action.  At full time the fans certainly let the players and management know what they thought in no uncertain terms.  I can't speak for all fans but my impression is that SK has lost the support of over 50% of them. 

[Mccus28]

5 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

I went to my first game in 1979. Me too. Yeah it's been awful but when Stuart goes then hopefully the next manager will rejuvenate the side. That's what people are hoping for obviously 

Serious question

Do you think Kettlewell should remain in charge?

[joewarkfanclub]

Well, what to say......

Hopes were raised on seeing the team lineups as it looked like a 4-3-3 or similar.

Then the game started and it was clear it was still a 5 at the back and my heart sunk.

To be fair, the changes did help as we had more legs and energy in the team and were able to press and win the ball back further up the field than in recent weeks. 

As a result we looked a lot more solid and created a few chances that might have seen us comfortable had better decisions been made in the final 3rd.

Second half started ok, but as soon as we started to make changes we just started to retreat to our own goal line.

The fact that we get to 84 minutes 1-0 up away from home and cant see a game out is a real concern. 

SK comments after the game seems to throw the players under the bus. You have to wonder how long they will continue to back him as a group.

He is not responding well to the pressure being applied and we arent even in a relegation battle yet.

This looks like its heading only one way. I dont take any pleasure in it and Im not going to call for his head just yet, but like many of the other more reasonable posters on here I am at the end of my tether........

 

[wellgirl]

1 minute ago, Mccus28 said:

Serious question

Do you think Kettlewell should remain in charge?

Im not answering that. I've had a few digs aimed at me over the last 24 hours and it's been made very clear that my opinions on this subject aren't welcome. 

[Kmcalpin]

22 minutes ago, Cameron_Mcd said:

Think there's a bit of confirmation bias going with Balcombe, he had one dodgy moment in the first half that he was lucky to get away with but apart from that I thought he had a decent enough game.

There were several crosses that he could have come for but elected to stay rooted to his line. That caused uncertainty for those in front of him.

 

[Spit_It_Out]

3 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Well, what to say......

Hopes were raised on seeing the team lineups as it looked like a 4-3-3 or similar.

Then the game started and it was clear it was still a 5 at the back and my heart sunk.

To be fair, the changes did help as we had more legs and energy in the team and were able to press and win the ball back further up the field than in recent weeks. 

As a result we looked a lot more solid and created a few chances that might have seen us comfortable had better decisions been made in the final 3rd.

Second half started ok, but as soon as we started to make changes we just started to retreat to our own goal line.

The fact that we get to 84 minutes 1-0 up away from home and cant see a game out is a real concern. 

SK comments after the game seems tonthrow the players under the bus. You have to wonder how long they will continue to back him as a group.

He is not responding well to the pressure being applied and we arent even in a relegation battle yet.

This looks like its heading only one way. I dont take any pleasure in it and Im not going to call for his head just yet, but like many of the other more reasonable posters on here I am at the end of my tether........

 

That's what I am thinking I really don't think this group of players really have it in them to get out of a relegation battle should we get into one.

They have such a nothingness about them.

 

[wellfan]

1 minute ago, Spit_It_Out said:

That's what I am thinking I really don't think this group of players really have it in them to get out of a relegation battle should we get into one.

They have such a nothingness about them.

Yep, all they are is a group of players. There is no semblance of a functioning team amongst them. And that's entirely on the man who built and coaches this group. 

[smiddy]

36 minutes ago, Cameron_Mcd said:

Always fun when we get to the point of the season when the media team are getting abuse.

Who's next to get sacked? The guy on the tannoy?

Never said that

i just think scotty should stop feckin about and ask him real questions

 Cause you can bet your boots feckin scotty boy will still be here when SK is history 

[Cameron_Mcd]

19 minutes ago, smiddy said:

Never said that

i just think scotty should stop feckin about and ask him real questions

 Cause you can bet your boots feckin scotty boy will still be here when SK is history 

I mean, club media are hardly going to be asking him when he's going to hand in his P45. It's the same at every club, I guarantee you if you listen to pretty much any post match interview from a defeat today and the questions will be the near enough same. 

 

It seems pointless to have a go at some wee media guy.

[Stevie73]

4 hours ago, Throughthelaces said:

There's Steven odonnel which I've heard folk say he had issues with Alexander and Hammy I'm also sure he'd a thing with Robbo. Which if the case we can't keep someone who's gonna choose who he will and won't play for. 

 

Remember when the players down tools for the manager they down tools for us the fans and the club as a whole. 

I speak to him regularly, he actually rates Ketterwell, I constantly rip him about team selection and tactics, and he defends him 🤷🏻‍♂️

[smiddy]

37 minutes ago, Cameron_Mcd said:

I mean, club media are hardly going to be asking him when he's going to hand in his P45. It's the same at every club, I guarantee you if you listen to pretty much any post match interview from a defeat today and the questions will be the near enough same. 

 

It seems pointless to have a go at some wee media guy.

So what question would you ask him ? 
cause i know what i would ask 

if scotty is only going to ask the normal mundane shite, then he would be as well not asking anything

SK gives the same answers every week

just mashed up a wee bit.