St Johnstone v Motherwell 25/01/2025

[Clackscat]

2 hours ago, wellgirl said:

Im not answering that. I've had a few digs aimed at me over the last 24 hours and it's been made very clear that my opinions on this subject aren't welcome. 

That's nonsense, just because you are swimming against the tide doesn't mean your opinions are not welcome, it's a fan's forum not an echo chamber, be very dull if we all agreed.

Forums can be a bit of a cesspit at times but I've found SO far more balanced and less confrontational than it used to be.

You have made very good points and have been consistent, but if you post a view on a fan's forum you have to expect it to be challenged if someone disagrees,, but you seem to take it personally when someone challenges your views, my advice is try not to, just counter it, then just let it go.

FWIW I am very much known amongst fellow fans I see at games as a 'Happy Clapper', have never barracked the team or an individual, something I hate to see happening, and I don't like to see hard working guys like SK fail, so I understand where you are coming from.

However my view has now changed with the evidence on show in recent weeks, and this is only ending one way sadly.

[ZT_1886]

So what question would you ask him ? 
cause i know what i would ask 
if scotty is only going to ask the normal mundane shite, then he would be as well not asking anything
SK gives the same answers every week
just mashed up a wee bit. 

In-house media at any club are not going to ask openly critical questions of someone employed by the club.
Thats what BBC Radio and Sky Sports should be doing post-match.

[Big Stall]

23 minutes ago, ZT_1886 said:

In-house media at any club are not going to ask openly critical questions of someone employed by the club.
Thats what BBC Radio and Sky Sports should be doing post-match.

Sadly thats correct. Would have been good though if Scotty said yesterday...... ok stuart youv explained your frustration at the two errors at the end losing us the game, can we talk about the 3 shots on target, one of which was the penalty & how can we expect to win games with so little attacking intent??

[Kmcalpin]

9 hours ago, Clackscat said:

FWIW I am very much known amongst fellow fans I see at games as a 'Happy Clapper', have never barracked the team or an individual, something I hate to see happening, and I don't like to see hard working guys like SK fail, so I understand where you are coming from.

However my view has now changed with the evidence on show in recent weeks, and this is only ending one way sadly.

A very reasonable view to take Jim. Unfortunately, I've not been so reasonable these past 2 games, when I've let my frustration boil over a little at McDiarmid Park at the end of the games.  Football is an emotional game and the day I couldn't care less about a result or performance is the day I'll give up attending games. I've not been as bad for many a year! That said, I never resort to swearing or abuse.

Whatever I may think of SK's management of the team, he is a human being and deserves respect for his hard work and dedication. I fully accept he's trying his best. Thats not in any doubt. I really don't want the situation with the fans become toxic. That benefits no-one. Currently things are at tipping point.

 

[wellfan]

6 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

Whatever I may think of SK's management of the team, he is a human being and deserves respect for his hard work and dedication. I fully accept he's trying his best. Thats not in any doubt. I really don't want the situation with the fans become toxic. That benefits no-one. Currently things are at tipping point.

If only Kettlewell shared your levels of humility then maybe things wouldn't become toxic and the fans would remain on his side. 

[stv]

1 hour ago, ZT_1886 said:

In-house media at any club are not going to ask openly critical questions of someone employed by the club.
Thats what BBC Radio and Sky Sports should be doing post-match.

Bbc is too interested in Aberdeen ,sorry The Dons, to bother with us

[Spit_It_Out]

1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said:

Whatever I may think of SK's management of the team, he is a human being and deserves respect for his hard work and dedication. I fully accept he's trying his best. Thats not in any doubt. I really don't want the situation with the fans become toxic. That benefits no-one. Currently things are at tipping point.

Soon as he opend his mouth and had a go at the paying customers for having no clue then that was it he should have been called in for a meeting and been given the heave ho cause from that point onwards he is going to get a ton of abuse he makes out he doesnt pay attention to things well clearly thats not true.

He has made a rod for his own back now if he had any sense he would call it now part ways its only going to get worse and its all ready toxic.

if you are producing on the park even getting results here and there then he would have got away with it nobody is irreplacable but he is lucky to have a board that seems to think he is still doing a good and right man for the job.

[grizzlyg]

52 minutes ago, stv said:

Bbc is too interested in Aberdeen ,sorry The Dons, to bother with us

Should have got bbc guy that interviewed Thelin yesterday to interview Kettlewell,  he wasn't holding back

[Mccus28]

14 hours ago, wellgirl said:

Im not answering that. I've had a few digs aimed at me over the last 24 hours and it's been made very clear that my opinions on this subject aren't welcome. 

Well in fairness, they clearly are welcomed as I asked for it and would welcome a discussion.

I don't know why you let folk get to you, your opinion is as valid as anybody elses.

Personally Im fed up with SK now, the fact he got to a cup semi has papered over the fact that the entertainment on show is anything but.............

Yes we have injuries but so does everyone else and the fact he has got a squad of 31 means he should cope a little better.

How we (who apparently have a tiny budget that SK keeps banging on about) have managed to get a squad bigger than Celtic (30) is beyond disgusting and wasteful.

 

[wellgirl]

1 minute ago, Mccus28 said:

Well in fairness, they clearly are welcomed as I asked for it and would welcome a discussion.

I don't know why you let folk get to you, your opinion is as valid as anybody elses.

Personally Im fed up with SK now, the fact he got to a cup semi has papered over the fact that the entertainment on show is anything but.............

Yes we have injuries but so does everyone else and the fact he has got a squad of 31 means he should cope a little better.

How we (who apparently have a tiny budget that SK keeps banging on about) have managed to get a squad bigger than Celtic (30) is beyond disgusting and wasteful.

 

Listen - I want to apologise for the way I reacted to your post. I'll also say that I will be sorry to see him go but the club has to come first - however I don't think he'll be sacked any time soon - perhaps if we lose the Ross County game he might get to the point where he feels he has to walk. Or the decision might be taken out of his hands. 

Things might change if we get a result at Ross County - it only takes a win or two to change things around. I don't have all the answers.

There are several teams on a poor run just now. St Mirren. Killie. Aberdeen. We aren't the only team in this position - and sometimes when you need a result - you won't get one. Of course there are people who think he should have been sacked last year but he wasn't - and ultimately the decision will be down to the board or Kettlewell or both. 

There have been other posters on here who have said that as long as he keeps us clear of relegation his job will be safe -but like Alexander - if he does lose the fans then it won't be. 

 

[smiddy]

2 hours ago, Big Stall said:

Sadly thats correct. Would have been good though if Scotty said yesterday...... ok stuart youv explained your frustration at the two errors at the end losing us the game, can we talk about the 3 shots on target, one of which was the penalty & how can we expect to win games with so little attacking intent??

Spot on 

[smiddy]

50 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Should have got bbc guy that interviewed Thelin yesterday to interview Kettlewell,  he wasn't holding back

SK would just have baffled him with 💩

and told him were 5th And been in a semi final ( which he shat the bed )

but sky guy asks

what about your shot on target these last 4 games

what about your posetion stats last 4 games 

you said you instructed the players yesterday at HT to keep pushing forward ? Then your your players play deeper and we cant get out 

wrong instructions stuart or can the players not carry the instructions out 

i could go on n on but cant be bothered tapping 

 

[SteelmaninOZ]

 

[FirParkCornerExile]

13 hours ago, Clackscat said:

That's nonsense, just because you are swimming against the tide doesn't mean your opinions are not welcome, it's a fan's forum not an echo chamber, be very dull if we all agreed.

Forums can be a bit of a cesspit at times but I've found SO far more balanced and less confrontational than it used to be.

You have made very good points and have been consistent, but if you post a view on a fan's forum you have to expect it to be challenged if someone disagrees,, but you seem to take it personally when someone challenges your views, my advice is try not to, just counter it, then just let it go.

FWIW I am very much known amongst fellow fans I see at games as a 'Happy Clapper', have never barracked the team or an individual, something I hate to see happening, and I don't like to see hard working guys like SK fail, so I understand where you are coming from.

However my view has now changed with the evidence on show in recent weeks, and this is only ending one way sadly.

Correct , I disagree with plenty folk and make an arse of myself often enough, you just take it on the chin.. the poor wee me , everybody getting at me mentality is pointless on a fans forum. I tend to put those types on ignore.

[wellgirl]

10 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Correct , I disagree with plenty folk and make an arse of myself often enough, you just take it on the chin.. the poor wee me , everybody getting at me mentality is pointless on a fans forum. I tend to put those types on ignore.

I've never suggested for one minute that everyone is getting at me. If I really felt like that I wouldn't be on here at all. 

[wellon]

3 hours ago, Spit_It_Out said:

Soon as he opend his mouth and had a go at the paying customers for having no clue then that was it he should have been called in for a meeting and been given the heave ho cause from that point onwards he is going to get a ton of abuse he makes out he doesnt pay attention to things well clearly thats not true.

He has made a rod for his own back now if he had any sense he would call it now part ways its only going to get worse and its all ready toxic.

if you are producing on the park even getting results here and there then he would have got away with it nobody is irreplacable but he is lucky to have a board that seems to think he is still doing a good and right man for the job.

I don't think his interview was great but did I feel insulted, not at all...in general people look to be offended.

What did he say ? He knows a bit more about formations tactics than joe public and he has more experience..not really up for debate.

If it was directed at the fans at all...more likely to be pundits, he's got a point tbf, a lot of pundits have never tried the management gig .

I don't think it was his finest hour but it's not a sacking offence.

[FirParkCornerExile]

3 minutes ago, wellon said:

I don't think his interview was great but did I feel insulted, not at all...in general people look to be offended.

What did he say ? He knows a bit more about formations tactics than joe public and he has more experience..not really up for debate.

If it was directed at the fans at all...more likely to be pundits, he's got a point tbf, a lot of pundits have never tried the management gig .

I don't think it was his finest hour but it's not a sacking offence.

you are correct but for someone who has been in the game as long him he should know that the use of certain words / phrases particularly if there is an inference that its directed at the fans - even if that wasnt his intention - he has just created an unnecessary stick for fans to beat him with. Defo not a sacking offence, his style and tactics will ensure that.  

[wellgirl]

14 hours ago, Clackscat said:

That's nonsense, just because you are swimming against the tide doesn't mean your opinions are not welcome, it's a fan's forum not an echo chamber, be very dull if we all agreed.

Forums can be a bit of a cesspit at times but I've found SO far more balanced and less confrontational than it used to be.

You have made very good points and have been consistent, but if you post a view on a fan's forum you have to expect it to be challenged if someone disagrees,, but you seem to take it personally when someone challenges your views, my advice is try not to, just counter it, then just let it go.

FWIW I am very much known amongst fellow fans I see at games as a 'Happy Clapper', have never barracked the team or an individual, something I hate to see happening, and I don't like to see hard working guys like SK fail, so I understand where you are coming from.

However my view has now changed with the evidence on show in recent weeks, and this is only ending one way sadly.

Thanks for your response. I appreciate it 

[wellsince75]

28 minutes ago, wellon said:

I don't think his interview was great but did I feel insulted, not at all...in general people look to be offended.

What did he say ? He knows a bit more about formations tactics than joe public and he has more experience..not really up for debate.

If it was directed at the fans at all...more likely to be pundits, he's got a point tbf, a lot of pundits have never tried the management gig .

I don't think it was his finest hour but it's not a sacking offence.

Quite a few pundits are now on our mgt team - maybes that’s part of our issue 

[wellon]

I just watched the highlights,  hopefully we can get casey back in, he's got faults but does seem committed. 

Both those goals were balls bouncing around with nobody really taking responsibility

I kept an eye on second goal , player on edge of box just jogging around not doing a lot , yep,it's yer man davor.

Sod again caught ball watching , thought he did ok to a degree yesterday but caught at back post too often.

[texanwellfan]

3 hours ago, smiddy said:

SK would just have baffled him with 💩

and told him were 5th And been in a semi final ( which he shat the bed )

but sky guy asks

what about your shot on target these last 4 games

what about your posetion stats last 4 games 

you said you instructed the players yesterday at HT to keep pushing forward ? Then your your players play deeper and we cant get out 

wrong instructions stuart or can the players not carry the instructions out 

i could go on n on but cant be bothered tapping 

 

When you’re winning you can get away with those questions by saying it’s goals that count. Indeed, no matter what, it’s goals that count. He doesn’t have that cop out now because we are giving up goals for fun and not scoring. The fan base is rightly very worried about our form, so now we need to hear from SK regarding numbers like shots on target, possession time, formations, substitutions etc. and how he is going to fix things.  He should be empathizing with the fans. He’s getting paid every game but the fans are shelling out their hard earned money to watch these subpar performances. Somebody at the club needs to take him aside and steer him away from confronting the fans and have a word about his stubborn approach to the game. From the fans side they should refrain from personal abuse of SK and keep comments to the football issues. I think that’s at least 4 goals conceded recently from corners where the opposition have scored from inside our 6 yard box. 3 against St Johnstone and 1 at Hearts. Add that to our low number of clean sheets and it’s fairly Obvious that we can’t defend very well. So options are score more goals and/or keep possession giving the opposition less time to score. I don’t think you have to be in anyone’s shoes or a seasoned professional to work that out 

[smiddy]

25 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:

When you’re winning you can get away with those questions by saying it’s goals that count. Indeed, no matter what, it’s goals that count. He doesn’t have that cop out now because we are giving up goals for fun and not scoring. The fan base is rightly very worried about our form, so now we need to hear from SK regarding numbers like shots on target, possession time, formations, substitutions etc. and how he is going to fix things.  He should be empathizing with the fans. He’s getting paid every game but the fans are shelling out their hard earned money to watch these subpar performances. Somebody at the club needs to take him aside and steer him away from confronting the fans and have a word about his stubborn approach to the game. From the fans side they should refrain from personal abuse of SK and keep comments to the football issues. I think that’s at least 4 goals conceded recently from corners where the opposition have scored from inside our 6 yard box. 3 against St Johnstone and 1 at Hearts. Add that to our low number of clean sheets and it’s fairly Obvious that we can’t defend very well. So options are score more goals and/or keep possession giving the opposition less time to score. I don’t think you have to be in anyone’s shoes or a seasoned professional to work that out 

Stop being so sensible Texan 🤣

 

[grizzlyg]

40 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:

When you’re winning you can get away with those questions by saying it’s goals that count. Indeed, no matter what, it’s goals that count. He doesn’t have that cop out now because we are giving up goals for fun and not scoring. The fan base is rightly very worried about our form, so now we need to hear from SK regarding numbers like shots on target, possession time, formations, substitutions etc. and how he is going to fix things.  He should be empathizing with the fans. He’s getting paid every game but the fans are shelling out their hard earned money to watch these subpar performances. Somebody at the club needs to take him aside and steer him away from confronting the fans and have a word about his stubborn approach to the game. From the fans side they should refrain from personal abuse of SK and keep comments to the football issues. I think that’s at least 4 goals conceded recently from corners where the opposition have scored from inside our 6 yard box. 3 against St Johnstone and 1 at Hearts. Add that to our low number of clean sheets and it’s fairly Obvious that we can’t defend very well. So options are score more goals and/or keep possession giving the opposition less time to score. I don’t think you have to be in anyone’s shoes or a seasoned professional to work that out 

Great post....you have...ahem.....trumped all of us 🤪🤪

[mfc88]

3 hours ago, wellon said:

I don't think his interview was great but did I feel insulted, not at all...in general people look to be offended.

What did he say ? He knows a bit more about formations tactics than joe public and he has more experience..not really up for debate.

If it was directed at the fans at all...more likely to be pundits, he's got a point tbf, a lot of pundits have never tried the management gig .

I don't think it was his finest hour but it's not a sacking offence.

Offended is a strong word, but it did annoy me.

I'm assuming it was aimed at the fans... because if it wasn't, surely he would have clarified that?

No fan expects SK to take their advice, because that would be mental. But when you have paying customers saying they're not happy about the product, you can't dismiss that.

Can you imagine you bought a new iPhone and it was faulty, complained to apple and they replied with "well you've never made a phone before so....". No one would be having it.

Something needs addressed and it's his job to figure it out. I hope he does but so far he's not, nor shown any signs at an attempt to. First half yesterday was an improvement from last week (not difficult tbf) but 1 up at half time and we reverted to type. I'm sure I wasn't the only one that saw an equaliser coming.

[texanwellfan]

24 minutes ago, mfc88 said:

Offended is a strong word, but it did annoy me.

I'm assuming it was aimed at the fans... because if it wasn't, surely he would have clarified that?

No fan expects SK to take their advice, because that would be mental. But when you have paying customers saying they're not happy about the product, you can't dismiss that.

Can you imagine you bought a new iPhone and it was faulty, complained to apple and they replied with "well you've never made a phone before so....". No one would be having it.

Something needs addressed and it's his job to figure it out. I hope he does but so far he's not, nor shown any signs at an attempt to. First half yesterday was an improvement from last week (not difficult tbf) but 1 up at half time and we reverted to type. I'm sure I wasn't the only one that saw an equaliser coming.

Not only did many people see the equalizer coming, I think there were quite a few of the opinion that when they do score the equalizer the likelihood is that they would score a second as we witnessed