Our New Manager, who do we want?

[dennyc]

Several Hibs fans I know would have Lennon back in a heartbeat. Don't know much about previous issues but the fact the fans still back him must mean something. As we have seen this week a Club's fans know more about what is going on at their Club than the gutter press. Much easier to write headlines than facts.

[wellgirl]

Just now, dennyc said:

Several Hibs fans I know would have Lennon back in a heartbeat. Don't know much about previous issues but the fact the fans still back him must mean something. As we have seen this week a Club's fans know more about what is going on at their Club than the gutter press. Much easier to write headlines than facts.

I don't think he needs Motherwell 

Don't think he would touch us in a million years. But I think he's a good manager. That's the only reason I mentioned him - that and he's still being linked with us. Won't happen. But whatever baggage he might have if he was Motherwell manager I'd still support him 

[star sail]

24 minutes ago, AllyMax said:

Genuine question.......what do people actually see in Lennon as a manager ? Last time he was in charge up here, he turned a team almost guaranteed to win the league into also rans......during what their fans would have seen as the most important league championship in their history. He's also not exactly been outstanding in any of his other jobs. All this 'he won't stand for any nonsense' pish won't wash as a reason to employ him. The dole is full of football managers who 'wouldn't stand any nonsense'. 

What are his achievements to date which make him a good fit for a mid table side struggling with form ?

I agree with you about his second spell at Celtic. It was generally a bit of a disaster.

He had a very good first spell however and for a time had Celtic competing with the likes of AC Milan in the Champions League. I think he would have the tactical awareness that SK lacked.

Like Dennyc just mentioned, I know a few Hibs fans who talk positively about his time with them.

I think a motivated NL could be a big success. If he was to go through the motions however and potentially be wrestling a few of the demons he has clearly struggled with in the past, it could be a disaster.

Of the two my preference would be Scott Brown. I think he would be highly motivated to make a success of the job.

[santheman]

I dont think we would have the size of budget to interest Lennon, Scott Brown maybe but would we pay compensation for him and would he leave a club that might possibly get promotion this year.

The Old Firm connection doesn't bother me as there's nearly always some connection to them tentatively or directly for most Scottish born candidates.

[star sail]

42 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

He was suspended by Hibs in 2019 after an altercation with other employees. 

I remember listening to Leeann Dempster talking about that retrospectively and I am sure she said that she regretted the way the club handled the situation.

She seemed to imply that Hibs had jumped the gun a little by suspending him. 

I think she also said that she still had a good relationship with him and held him in high regard.

[weeyin]

6 minutes ago, santheman said:

The Old Firm connection doesn't bother me as there's nearly always some connection to them tentatively or directly for most Scottish born candidates.

100% this. If you eliminated OF connections, we would have missed out on the successful spells from Davie Hay, Tommy McLean, Mark McGhee (1st spell), Stuart McCall and Craig Brown.

[mio]

3 minutes ago, santheman said:

 

The Old Firm connection doesn't bother me as there's nearly always some connection to them tentatively or directly for most Scottish born candidates.

Exactly this, over the past 50yrs I can think about a dozen old firm connected managers. The only one I really didn’t like was jock Wallace. His first interview stated “I was born a rangers supporter I’ll die a rangers supporter” ……get yourself TF.

Whoever gets it will get our full support I’m sure. Although I’m sure there may be some who don’t think that way for some weird reason..

[Larkhall Dosser]

3 hours ago, Big Stall said:

Wouldnt have an issue with Brown if he is identified as the best candidate. The problem he will have will be similar to mccall in that there will be a section of our fans who will never accept him*.

 

*that section will be the opposite of the mccall haters

Please dont shoot me down but what about Brown as a player/manager.. hate to say it but can lead from he middle of the park and he is used to getting abuse..

[Spiderpig]

9 minutes ago, Larkhall Dosser said:

Please dont shoot me down but what about Brown as a player/manager.. hate to say it but can lead from he middle of the park and he is used to getting abuse..

He was done as a player a long time ago, we've got enough invalids on the books already.

[Jonesy]

Lennon will be another version of Alexander. He'll come in and gradually fall out with everyone over the space of 18 months - 2 years and leave the place a complete disaster behind him.

 

Oh, and he threatened to have his partner stabbed. So there is that.

 

We shouldn't be entertaining the idea of him even in the slightest.

[0Neils40yarder]

Honestly, couldn't care less about rangers or celtic...but I would care if that walloper Lennon was anywhere near our Club, his managerial record is stinking and he's an idiot, who seems to relish in falling out with people.

[grizzlyg]

34 minutes ago, Larkhall Dosser said:

Please dont shoot me down but what about Brown as a player/manager.. hate to say it but can lead from he middle of the park and he is used to getting abuse..

He will be 40 in the summer....no

[weeyin]

Agree. Brown was arguably done as a player when he moved to Aberdeen. He was definitely done by the time he stopped playing for them.

[wellgirl]

I personally wouldn't bother if Neil got the job but given that he's been linked with us every time someone has left or got sacked and not been appointed it's surely odds on that he won't be our next manager 

[wellgirl]

I don't want Brown either and nothing to do with the fact that he's an ex Celtic player. 

[SteelmaninOZ]

1 hour ago, weeyin said:

100% this. If you eliminated OF connections, we would have missed out on the successful spells from Davie Hay, Tommy McLean, Mark McGhee (1st spell), Stuart McCall and Craig Brown.

Not from Jock Wallace the bastard

[grizzlyg]

51 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said:

Not from Jock Wallace the bastard

1st game in charge was v gers at Fir Park, he clapped gers fans when he walked onto pitch,  classic 2-2 draw

[robsterwood]

4 hours ago, wellgirl said:

I personally wouldn't bother if Neil got the job but given that he's been linked with us every time someone has left or got sacked and not been appointed it's surely odds on that he won't be our next manager 

He has been average or poor in any job he has done. Even struggled to manage to beat teams as smelltic manager with massive budget. 

[robsterwood]

5 hours ago, 0Neils40yarder said:

Honestly, couldn't care less about rangers or celtic...but I would care if that walloper Lennon was anywhere near our Club, his managerial record is stinking and he's an idiot, who seems to relish in falling out with people.

Agree totally he's a balloon. He has no clue. Suppose he's used to abuse as his record is so shit so he wouldn't resign for that reason 😂😂😂

[wellon]

14 hours ago, Big Stall said:

Wouldnt have an issue with Brown if he is identified as the best candidate. The problem he will have will be similar to mccall in that there will be a section of our fans who will never accept him*.

 

*that section will be the opposite of the mccall haters

I wouldn't have Brown, not because he played for celtic ...more his attitude when he did play , thought he was a ticket winding people up and his carry on with big kipre was an example...so not for me

Also mccall was a great manager and quite a personable guy.

[wellon]

11 hours ago, wellgirl said:

Im personally not bothered about "bigoted baggage". I just said that he's been linked with us a lot in the past and still is if you look at the bookies odds. 

For all Neil's faults I think he was targeted badly by a bunch of morons.  Getting sent bullets in the post. That's not on him 

My family are Irish Roman Catholic on my dad's side and they came to Scotland because of the troubles. If people are bigots that's on them. 

Do I have baggage because I'm half Irish? Robbo is Northern Irish. What's the difference - because Neil managed Celtic? 

There's plenty of ex old firm players who would make or have been good managers then there's the browns and lennons.

They're both wind up merchants for me. It's easy to be winding up people when you're in winning team every week...why bring someone in who is going to divide the support even more?

[wellon]

10 hours ago, Jonesy said:

Lennon will be another version of Alexander. He'll come in and gradually fall out with everyone over the space of 18 months - 2 years and leave the place a complete disaster behind him.

 

Oh, and he threatened to have his partner stabbed. So there is that.

 

We shouldn't be entertaining the idea of him even in the slightest.

Re 2nd para, I'd forgotten about that....everyone has it in for him though so must have been a mistake. 

[Kmcalpin]

Its been unusually quiet on the vacancy front. No doubt our search for a new manager has been overshadowed by Stuart Kettlewell's departure story and I get that. However, everyone now needs to move on.  I'm surprised however that the club hasn't released a short statement on the filling the vacancy.  I know that we've been told that Stephen Frail will take over on a caretaker basis, but the club now needs to regain the narrative and be a bit more proactive.  

[wellgirl]

13 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

Its been unusually quiet on the vacancy front. No doubt our search for a new manager has been overshadowed by Stuart Kettlewell's departure story and I get that. However, everyone now needs to move on.  I'm surprised however that the club hasn't released a short statement on the filling the vacancy.  I know that we've been told that Stephen Frail will take over on a caretaker basis, but the club now needs to regain the narrative and be a bit more proactive.  

Don't think they put a statement out the last twice we've appointed a new manager. They've just announced who got the job when they were appointed. Both times filling the vacancy took just under a fortnight. 

[numpty]

33 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Don't think they put a statement out the last twice we've appointed a new manager. They've just announced who got the job when they were appointed. Both times filling the vacancy took just under a fortnight. 

And to be honest, just keeping their mouths shut and getting on with it for a while probably isn't a bad idea, given their current standard of public communications.