wellgirl Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, The Sand Dancer said: Our last 4 managers have all been appointed at at time of crisis i.e. facing possible relegation. In Robinson, Alexander and Kettlewell we chose to appoint Autocratic managers (no idea about Hammell's style other than blind panic). Studies show that the Autocratic manager has initial success but medium to long term failure. Are we therefore surprised that we are now again in the failure period. I would suggest, as we have a small buffer above the relegation spots, that we can afford to go for an "Auld Heed" (in it for the long term) who will manage the team and involve the coaches in a more democratic fashion. This should achieve the necessary response from the players to get the required points for safety. In addition this should break the 2 year cycle of boom, bust and sacking. Such as? Robinson wasn't sacked and neither was Kettlewell or Alexander. Robinson walked. Alexander came to a mutual agreement with the board and Kettlewell walked. I also don't think we can lump all three of those mangers together. For all their faults - Robbo took us to two cup finals. European football under Alexander and a cup semi under Kettlewell. I think autocratic is a bit strong tbh given the shite we've been served up under some other managers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted February 5 Author Report Share Posted February 5 31 minutes ago, wellgirl said: European football under Alexander and a cup semi under Kettlewell. That will be the Alexander European adventure where we were beaten home and away by those giants of the European game, Sligo rovers and the Kettlewell cup semi where we threw away a half time lead and were feckin brutal 2nd half and deservedly lost. And you say we were served up shite under other managers, those two should be top of the list, especially Alexander. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 I will be pretty disappointed if we don't have one in by Monday give the new boss at least a good number of days to look at the players and work with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 9 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: That will be the Alexander European adventure where we were beaten home and away by those giants of the European game, Sligo rovers and the Kettlewell cup semi where we threw away a half time lead and were feckin brutal 2nd half and deservedly lost. And you say we were served up shite under other managers, those two should be top of the list, especially Alexander. We've been served up shite by plenty managers over the last 40 odd years I've been watching Motherwell - my issue was them being called "autocratic" Robinson too apparently. Quite aware of the issues you raised in your post - I watched it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, mio said: Steven Naismith sitting as favourite for the job?? Are they fkn kidding me? Fk the fk off…… I’d rather have Halliday as player manager before him. Odds are nothing more than bets placed they mean fuck all in reality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 27 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said: I will be pretty disappointed if we don't have one in by Monday give the new boss at least a good number of days to look at the players and work with them. I'd be amazed if we had someone in that quick. If we offered them the job today it would likely take them more than a week to agree on the contract details - and we won't have finished interviewing everyone yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 5 minutes ago, weeyin said: I'd be amazed if we had someone in that quick. If we offered them the job today it would likely take them more than a week to agree on the contract details - and we won't have finished interviewing everyone yet. Was two weeks the last two appointments from when the last manager left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Naysmith failed at hearts with bigger budget than ours. It's a no from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 My pick is Paul Pogba as player manager 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Just now, robsterwood said: My pick is Paul Pogba as player manager 👍 At least he's a midfielder 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 At least Dundee trying to give us a helping hand -2 goal difference to -14 in 5 days, that is impressive even by our dodgy luck over the years. 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek1962 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 We need a helping hand. Any coach could see what the fans watched ever week. 3 defenders who could not defend and a goalkeeper who made the most saves in the league. NOT WORKING! The ball surrendered ever week to the opposition therefore we can’t create chances. NOT WORKING 1 or 2 shots at goal poor goal threat from our 1 striker NOT WORKING Players playing out of position and poor substitutions most weeks. We all represent Motherwell Football Club even the supporters and can all be better. SK has gone ……..we need help and quickly. That help will arrive this week and things will be better on and off the park. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 15 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: Carswell was much derided at the time but he was a hard worker and had much more to his game than Davor. Similar in a lot of ways to Marc Fitzpatrick imho, who also never got a lot of credit in his time here, despite scoring a goal that took us to a cup final. Being a hard worker should be a given...he wasn't terrible, just not great at anything in particular, he is with Clyde now, good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 41 minutes ago, wellon said: Being a hard worker should be a given...he wasn't terrible, just not great at anything in particular, he is with Clyde now, good luck to him. He’s been playing alongside Ross Forbes at Thorniewood for over a year now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 This is a pointless discussion imo because it’s going to be Frail until the end of the season at least and unless we are relegated he’ll get it on a permanent basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 14 hours ago, Spit_It_Out said: I will be pretty disappointed if we don't have one in by Monday give the new boss at least a good number of days to look at the players and work with them. Not a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Onthefringes said: He’s been playing alongside Ross Forbes at Thorniewood for over a year now. Carswell a Viewpark lad , originally like myself sadly . Was always destined to play for Thorniewood Utd lol On the subject of Viewpark Shaun Fagan was another one , remember his goal against Celtic in the 2-1 win . Changed days Edited February 6 by twistandshout1983 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Not being awkward bit should carswell posts not be in former players thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 42 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Not being awkward bit should carswell posts not be in former players thread? The subject arose out of someone suggesting taking Stuart McCall back bud. Discussion now over 😉 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, MJC said: This is a pointless discussion imo because it’s going to be Frail until the end of the season at least and unless we are relegated he’ll get it on a permanent basis. How do you know this is true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 6 minutes ago, robsterwood said: How do you know this is true? He doesnt. He is just being MJC. He could turn out to be right. But given we have a much younger and refreshed board now, backed up by a much younger and refreshed Well Society, I think the chances of going for the cheap/easy option are much reduced. If the large number of applications is true then we will at least be going through an interview process, unless there is a stand out candidate that blows all the others away (unlikely). Frail hasnt given any indication he wishes to be considered or has applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 I would not be against the idea of Stuart MCall back at Fir Park , great manager for us at the time and had some great days and prefer the idea to Billy Davies Do I think though he will push things forward right now ? Nope sadly Ketsbaia was linked last night I see , and not suggesting at all he is the answer but fresh ideas might be a positive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 I think one of the main factors should be that the new manager has shown an attacking approach to the game with teams they have previously managed and that his previous teams demonstrated the ability to play as a team and not as individual disconnected units. It seems like managers are so afraid to get beat nowadays that their approach is dominated by being defensive, which in a lot of cases leads to defeats so almost like a self fulfilling prophecy. Whereas, if you can put a half decent attacking team on the field you are probably giving yourself a better chance of winning and certainly making a much more enjoyable experience for the fans. I know, perhaps a bit oversimplified but from what I’ve seen in our league, I believe it wouldn't take too much to build a team that could stand out above the majority of the teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 2 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: The subject arose out of someone suggesting taking Stuart McCall back bud. Discussion now over 😉 One of my favourite well managers but wouldn't have him back as it wouldn't work, 2 words.......Mark......McGhee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 1 minute ago, grizzlyg said: One of my favourite well managers but wouldn't have him back as it wouldn't work, 2 words.......Mark......McGhee I don't think McCall has anywhere near the ego that McGhee has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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