Michael Wimmer Discussion Thread

[star sail]

26 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

I just watched his interview and I thought it was really positive under the circumstances - he also said if he wasn't picked on Saturday so be it 

I thought he was reserved in his enthusiasm. What he did not seem to say was that everybody was buzzing and excited about Saturday and that the new management team had given everyone a massive lift. There was a hint of realism and managing expectations in the interview. Maybe that is a good thing.

It is easy to read too much into these interviews however. How many times have we heard the great week training/ lads buzzing to go comments only to witness flat and insipid performances on the Saturday. 

[AllyMax]

2 minutes ago, fizoxy said:

This is kind of where I am. It's an interesting appointment, and I'd prefer we thought outside of the box, because that's our best chance of improving or finding value where orhers haven't. In an ideal world he's good enough that he gets poached by a bigger club after a couple of successful years. 

It has its risks too, but most of us would have been very underwhelmed with a scottish football stalwart, and any known quantity would have been divisive based on all of the shouts in the new manager thread.  

My preference was someone like Ryan Lowe, who reportedly priced himself out, but even then there's just as much risk with English managers. 

I don't know what is so unique about scottish football that causes foreign managers to fail.  Progressive managers seem to struggle too, is the standard of player just that bad? 

I hope this works out, but I dont expect us to immediately be world beaters. There's gains to be made in the short term just through building confidence and freshening things up, but he can't change the squad or fix injuries, or make SOD not shite, etc. 

Been thinking about this too. I think if you look at the non old firm teams that do well, or look back to our finishing 2nd or 3rd years or our 2 cup finals with Robbo.......we weren't exactly a football team. Kick rush, win the 2nd ball, swarm all over teams, score from punts into the box, win the 2nd ball and win the 2nd ball again. I think foreign coaches come here and try to bring in a different type of football....with possession, movement, positioning, supporting the player with the ball, and our players just can't carry it off that well. It'll work against some teams, but generally you'll come up against the hard fighting 2nd ball winners like killie or st mirren who will just bulldoze you. There's no four year development period for foreign managers introducing a new football ethos across a clubs ranks and levels. You're oot on your hole in 6 months if the results don't keep you competing for top 6 at least. These managers then have to sacrifice their 'football ethics' to survive.

[Fergie79]

I don't mind managers having an ethos and a style of play, but they need to have a plan B, C, D and good in game management, will be interesting to see if he has that in his locker.

 

I also thought SOD looked a bit nervy in the interview, think its just be as big a culture shock for the players as it will be for the new management team, hope they all find their feet together soon, don't think it will be a quick transition so expecting a tough run until the end of the season.

[fizoxy]

36 minutes ago, santheman said:

I still have fond memories of the old "Club Call" where that was the only way you could find out what was happening at the club.

Till my old man got the phone bill in😬

I might still owe my folks some money for those bills. 

Here's an austria vienna game from 2023 if you want to see his tactics in effect, or scout potential signings.

https://youtu.be/S8TxRyGVOXk

[wellgirl]

31 minutes ago, star sail said:

I thought he was reserved in his enthusiasm. What he did not seem to say was that everybody was buzzing and excited about Saturday and that the new management team had given everyone a massive lift. There was a hint of realism and managing expectations in the interview. Maybe that is a good thing.

It is easy to read too much into these interviews however. How many times have we heard the great week training/ lads buzzing to go comments only to witness flat and insipid performances on the Saturday. 

I think he gave a good honest interview. 

No matter what we all think it must be hard to lose Ketts and then have someone else come in 

Sure at one point he said that they need to do the talking on the park rather than in the pre match interviews -and he's right 

[Yabba's Turd]

Apologies if this has been posted, previously, I may have jobby fingered to last page on my phone by accident. 

 

https://x.com/UKAustriaWien/status/1891551842544304440?t=Y48KU9VTjlaRYxTKBkGfQw&s=19

[witchfindergeneral]

15 hours ago, wellgirl said:

SOD is a very easy target in my view. Always has been 

SOD has been at the club for years and always seems to be at the centre of issues with managers/fan discontent.

Maybe if he sorted out his attitude when fans get on his back for some of the absolutely rotten performances he's put in for years, he'd get a bit of slack

[SteelmaninOZ]

12 hours ago, grizzlyg said:

Think he has, bought them in zpeczaverz!! 🤣🤣

[joewarkfanclub]

59 minutes ago, witchfindergeneral said:

SOD has been at the club for years and always seems to be at the centre of issues with managers/fan discontent.

Maybe if he sorted out his attitude when fans get on his back for some of the absolutely rotten performances he's put in for years, he'd get a bit of slack

You can criticise SOD for his performances if you like, but to criticise his attitude towards the fans is way off line imho.

He takes plenty stick but has never bitten back or disrespected us publicly.

He has certainly had his fall outs with managers , but we have all been crying out this season for players who will challenge the manager and not just sit silently and accept what is happening.

Personally, I dont think he has been great for us over the piece, but nowhere near as bad as some make him out to be. Thats not a great defence for him and its difficult to see how he keeps his place in a high pressing team, but lets keep it factual.

[grizzlyg]

20 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

You can criticise SOD for his performances if you like, but to criticise his attitude towards the fans is way off line imho.

He takes plenty stick but has never bitten back or disrespected us publicly.

He has certainly had his fall outs with managers , but we have all been crying out this season for players who will challenge the manager and not just sit silently and accept what is happening.

Personally, I dont think he has been great for us over the piece, but nowhere near as bad as some make him out to be. Thats not a great defence for him and its difficult to see how he keeps his place in a high pressing team, but lets keep it factual.

I agree

[weeyin]

As I've said before, there are many discussions you can have have about individual players. So many aspects contribute to their overall performances.

In football forums, however, all those nuances are boiled down to "shite" or "brilliant". It's what often makes it so difficult to have any kind of conversation.

 

[stv]

14 hours ago, star sail said:

I thought he was reserved in his enthusiasm. What he did not seem to say was that everybody was buzzing and excited about Saturday and that the new management team had given everyone a massive lift. There was a hint of realism and managing expectations in the interview. Maybe that is a good thing.

It is easy to read too much into these interviews however. How many times have we heard the great week training/ lads buzzing to go comments only to witness flat and insipid performances on the Saturday. 

No wonder he’s reserved he’s had a hand in most of the stupid goals , cock ups we have lost in the last few weeks.

Any new manager watching those games worth his salt should see that easily and drop him to the bench.  SOD knows that fine well a change is needed.

[Wellfan91]

17 minutes ago, stv said:

No wonder he’s reserved he’s had a hand in most of the stupid goals , cock ups we have lost in the last few weeks.

Any new manager watching those games worth his salt should see that easily and drop him to the bench.  SOD knows that fine well a change is needed.

I think SOD deep down will know he’s past it now but he does (contrary to what some think and what we sometimes see) give it his all for the club. 
If he’s asked to play he’s not going to say no, I do expect we will see less of him under the new manager however

[wellfan]

3 hours ago, witchfindergeneral said:

SOD has been at the club for years and always seems to be at the centre of issues with managers/fan discontent.

Maybe if he sorted out his attitude when fans get on his back for some of the absolutely rotten performances he's put in for years, he'd get a bit of slack

 

2 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:

You can criticise SOD for his performances if you like, but to criticise his attitude towards the fans is way off line imho.

He takes plenty stick but has never bitten back or disrespected us publicly.

He has certainly had his fall outs with managers , but we have all been crying out this season for players who will challenge the manager and not just sit silently and accept what is happening.

Personally, I dont think he has been great for us over the piece, but nowhere near as bad as some make him out to be. Thats not a great defence for him and its difficult to see how he keeps his place in a high pressing team, but lets keep it factual.

SOD was getting booed by the East Stand for making several obvious stupid mistakes against Ross County. At one point, his response was to just give the thumbs up to those fans. Perhaps he would get more fans on his side if he maybe held his hands up at these moments instead of giving sarcastic responses to legitimate criticism. 

[wellon]

16 hours ago, fizoxy said:

This is kind of where I am. It's an interesting appointment, and I'd prefer we thought outside of the box, because that's our best chance of improving or finding value where orhers haven't. In an ideal world he's good enough that he gets poached by a bigger club after a couple of successful years. 

It has its risks too, but most of us would have been very underwhelmed with a scottish football stalwart, and any known quantity would have been divisive based on all of the shouts in the new manager thread.  

My preference was someone like Ryan Lowe, who reportedly priced himself out, but even then there's just as much risk with English managers. 

I don't know what is so unique about scottish football that causes foreign managers to fail.  Progressive managers seem to struggle too, is the standard of player just that bad? 

I hope this works out, but I dont expect us to immediately be world beaters. There's gains to be made in the short term just through building confidence and freshening things up, but he can't change the squad or fix injuries, or make SOD not shite, etc. 

Maybe you're right re players, can't buy into new methods, more training etc...hopefully he's successful. 

Think that's unfair re sod, I don't rate him , never really have but I don't think he's sh*te...just doesn't seem to learn very quickly.

[witchfindergeneral]

1 hour ago, wellfan said:

 

SOD was getting booed by the East Stand for making several obvious stupid mistakes against Ross County. At one point, his response was to just give the thumbs up to those fans. Perhaps he would get more fans on his side if he maybe held his hands up at these moments instead of giving sarcastic responses to legitimate criticism. 

I remember against Raith away he cocked up a few times, and when fans started having a go at him he turned around and started laughing... not a great look. Always, when the going gets tough for the team it seems to affect him & being a 32 yr old experienced player you would expect him to deal with these things a wee bit better.

Happy to acknowledge that he played well from around March onwards last year until his injury this season, however it did feel like the reason he was playing well was for a new contract. He has never been very consistent with us which is a shame as I always felt he was in his Partick & Killie days

[texanwellfan]

It will be interesting to see his team selection this Saturday to see if he continues as is to get a look at players for himself or will he immediately shake things up with his “own” selection and tactics?  He’s not had a lot of time with the players but I wonder how much footage he has watched and if he is already well aware of our weaknesses and who the poorer performers are. I think I’m in the camp of him shaking things up. Probably hard for changes to work right off the bat but it would give us hope that we will be moving on from the negative tactics we’ve been used to recently. As long as he keeps us in the top flight I’ll be happy to see much better performances over results for the rest of the season. Of course, I’m hoping he can drastically up our performance levels AND get results but that might be a hard task till he gets “his squad”

 

[fizoxy]

"Why does he not do better when I shout bad things at him? It works with my dog." 

[well_said]

1 minute ago, fizoxy said:

"Why does he not do better when I shout bad things at him? It works with my dog." 

Can your dog play in right central defence or right wing back , can't be any worse than sod.

[Stevie73]

19 hours ago, wellgirl said:

We support them all to get out of this mess. Every player and the manager - and we don't scapegoat players either. Did people think SOD was a bad player when he played out of his skin for Scotland? Time to give him a break. He's probably going to be gone by summer anyway 

He has a clause in his contract, if he plays 50% of games gets another year 

[witchfindergeneral]

2 hours ago, fizoxy said:

"Why does he not do better when I shout bad things at him? It works with my dog." 

SOD has achieved the most in football of any our players and possibly, only Lennon will achieve more in of anyone in our squad. You’ll need to forgive me for expecting him to be able to control the ball or pass it to a teammate regularly. 

Fingers crossed Wimmer and Koc can show him and the rest of the team how to pass to a player in claret and amber 

[Yoshi-1991]

20 minutes ago, witchfindergeneral said:

SOD has achieved the most in football of any our players and possibly, only Lennon will achieve more in of anyone in our squad. You’ll need to forgive me for expecting him to be able to control the ball or pass it to a teammate regularly. 

Fingers crossed Wimmer and Koc can show him and the rest of the team how to pass to a player in claret and amber 

This has been our biggest weakness this season, the amount of times we have conceded possession from giving away the ball needlessly is nothing short of criminal. 

[Kmcalpin]

4 hours ago, texanwellfan said:

It will be interesting to see his team selection this Saturday to see if he continues as is to get a look at players for himself or will he immediately shake things up with his “own” selection and tactics?  

Good post. I suspect he'll lean heavily on  the likes of David Clarkson and Jon Obika to pick his first ever Well team. Once he sees them in action for himself, he will start to make his own mind up and shake things up. In terms of tactics he may gradually introduce his own ideas. 

[grizzlyg]

Maybe siege mentality and raging with SK but I am desperate for Wimmer and Koc to be a success.  Koc looks like a great character and great link between Michael and dressing room.    We need to give these lads a chance and realise this isn't an overnight project.    I do try to humour everyone but underneath there is an incredibly passionate well fan that loves this club

[Mad Dog]

7 hours ago, wellfan said:

 

SOD was getting booed by the East Stand for making several obvious stupid mistakes against Ross County. At one point, his response was to just give the thumbs up to those fans. Perhaps he would get more fans on his side if he maybe held his hands up at these moments instead of giving sarcastic responses to legitimate criticism. 

So booing is legitimate criticism now? I always thought that it involved words of mainly more than one syllable put together in a coherent sentence.