Michael Wimmer Discussion Thread

[weeyin]

13 minutes ago, Cameron_Mcd said:

He's an easy target because he's been guff for years.

It must be quite a talent to fool so many professional managers and coaches at different teams and different levels for 15 years.

[sinjy]

Wimmer gives me the fear. No idea of Scottish football and is only familiar with English football. Talking of press and energy, things that any manager would say. Only a gradual introduction to his ideas when we need a quick change.God I hope I am so wrong.

[wellgirl]

38 minutes ago, Cameron_Mcd said:

He's an easy target because he's been guff for years.

No one should be an easy target 

[wellgirl]

23 minutes ago, weeyin said:

It must be quite a talent to fool so many professional managers and coaches at different teams and different levels for 15 years.

Well quite. 

[FirParkCornerExile]

3 minutes ago, sinjy said:

Wimmer gives me the fear. No idea of Scottish football and is only familiar with English football. Talking of press and energy, things that any manager would say. Only a gradual introduction to his ideas when we need a quick change.God I hope I am so wrong.

Stuart Kettlewell and Stevie Hammel knew plenty about Scottish football , doesnt mean they are good. Any change of manager is a risk. However Wimmers appointment is no more risky than anyone else. 

[Cameron_Mcd]

31 minutes ago, weeyin said:

It must be quite a talent to fool so many professional managers and coaches at different teams and different levels for 15 years.

Least he's good at something I suppose.

[MJC]

13 minutes ago, sinjy said:

Wimmer gives me the fear. No idea of Scottish football and is only familiar with English football. Talking of press and energy, things that any manager would say. Only a gradual introduction to his ideas when we need a quick change.God I hope I am so wrong.

That’s a fair take and you’ll not be the only one thinking this. 
 

Only time will tell if this is going to work for us but with the squad he inherits he is up against it straight away. 
 

The only thing I would say is that I didn’t see any other appointment that we could have made that would have given us any more reason to be optimistic at this point. I genuinely thought we would have handed the job to Stephen Frail at least until the end of the season in keeping with our usual lazy approach (and yes, new board etc).

So it’s going to be a tough few months and if Wimmer is to succeed with us then he has to keep us in the league.

 

[wellgirl]

21 minutes ago, sinjy said:

Wimmer gives me the fear. No idea of Scottish football and is only familiar with English football. Talking of press and energy, things that any manager would say. Only a gradual introduction to his ideas when we need a quick change.God I hope I am so wrong.

Alexander was the same.  I think this is a good appointment 

[wellgirl]

21 minutes ago, Cameron_Mcd said:

Least he's good at something I suppose.

We support them all to get out of this mess. Every player and the manager - and we don't scapegoat players either. Did people think SOD was a bad player when he played out of his skin for Scotland? Time to give him a break. He's probably going to be gone by summer anyway 

[Cameron_Mcd]

It's not singling a player out to suggest that a guy that's onto his 5th manager in 5 seasons isn't performing. He gets done constantly defensively and is so poor going forwards.

[0Neils40yarder]

28 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

We support them all to get out of this mess. Every player and the manager - and we don't scapegoat players either. Did people think SOD was a bad player when he played out of his skin for Scotland? Time to give him a break. He's probably going to be gone by summer anyway 

Yes, I did think he was rotten when he played for Scotland...I think he is genuinely one of the luckiest players ever to grace a Scotland top regularly

[well_said]

 

34 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said:

Yes, I did think he was rotten when he played for Scotland...I think he is genuinely one of the luckiest players ever to grace a Scotland top regularly

Four more caps than Davie cooper , that shows how much Scottish footballers have regressed over the years. Mind you if cooper was playing now that fud clarke wouldn't have picked him anyway .

[wellgirl]

23 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said:

Yes, I did think he was rotten when he played for Scotland...I think he is genuinely one of the luckiest players ever to grace a Scotland top regularly

I don't agree. 

 

 

[wellgirl]

There are plenty of rotten players in our side currently but SOD gets a disproportionate amount of stick in my view. Always has 

[well_said]

4 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

There are plenty of rotten players in our side currently but SOD gets a disproportionate amount of stick in my view. Always has 

You are very much in the minority , but you are entitled to your opinion.

[wellgirl]

5 minutes ago, well_said said:

You are very much in the minority , but you are entitled to your opinion.

In the minority of what? It's a very small number of fans who post on fans forums. I'll stand by what I said. We have plenty of poor players but SOD always seems to be singled out for flack 

I don't think it helps either. The constant going in on a few players 

What do I know eh 

[star sail]

The man himself SOD has been interviewed ahead of the Dundee Utd game.

It is easy to read too much into things but he is normally very composed and assured when being interviewed and I got the sense that he was a little edgier in the interview and may be feeling a little out of his comfort zone at the moment. This is possibly very natural.

I think there is no doubt that the senior players SOD, Halliday and Watt are big personalities in that dressing room and may have been given significant say under the previous management team.

My personal opinion was that it was not an unreserved welcome with open arms to the new management team from him but admittedly he does have a tightrope to walk I suppose. Interesting times.

[well_said]

32 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

In the minority of what? It's a very small number of fans who post on fans forums. I'll stand by what I said. We have plenty of poor players but SOD always seems to be singled out for flack 

I don't think it helps either. The constant going in on a few players 

What do I know eh 

In the minority on here , going by the comments on here .

[grizzlyg]

3 hours ago, DunnyMFC said:

Hope he has German contacts to get us that big defender 

Think he has, bought them in zpeczaverz!! 🤣🤣

[wellgirl]

7 minutes ago, well_said said:

In the minority on here , going by the comments on here .

I went to my first game in 1979. You know sometimes it was easier back in the day when there wasn't social media

[wellgirl]

17 minutes ago, star sail said:

The man himself SOD has been interviewed ahead of the Dundee Utd game.

It is easy to read too much into things but he is normally very composed and assured when being interviewed and I got the sense that he was a little edgier in the interview and may be feeling a little out of his comfort zone at the moment. This is possibly very natural.

I think there is no doubt that the senior players SOD, Halliday and Watt are big personalities in that dressing room and may have been given significant say under the previous management team.

My personal opinion was that it was not an unreserved welcome with open arms to the new management team from him but admittedly he does have a tightrope to walk I suppose. Interesting times.

I just watched his interview and I thought it was really positive under the circumstances - he also said if he wasn't picked on Saturday so be it 

[well_said]

1 minute ago, wellgirl said:

I went to my first game in 1979. You know sometimes it was easier back in the day when there wasn't social media

I wouldn't disagree with that . 

[wellgirl]

5 minutes ago, well_said said:

I wouldn't disagree with that . 

Innit 

[fizoxy]

1 hour ago, MJC said:

The only thing I would say is that I didn’t see any other appointment that we could have made that would have given us any more reason to be optimistic at this point.

 

This is kind of where I am. It's an interesting appointment, and I'd prefer we thought outside of the box, because that's our best chance of improving or finding value where orhers haven't. In an ideal world he's good enough that he gets poached by a bigger club after a couple of successful years. 

It has its risks too, but most of us would have been very underwhelmed with a scottish football stalwart, and any known quantity would have been divisive based on all of the shouts in the new manager thread.  

My preference was someone like Ryan Lowe, who reportedly priced himself out, but even then there's just as much risk with English managers. 

I don't know what is so unique about scottish football that causes foreign managers to fail.  Progressive managers seem to struggle too, is the standard of player just that bad? 

I hope this works out, but I dont expect us to immediately be world beaters. There's gains to be made in the short term just through building confidence and freshening things up, but he can't change the squad or fix injuries, or make SOD not shite, etc. 

[santheman]

16 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

I went to my first game in 1979. You know sometimes it was easier back in the day when there wasn't social media

I still have fond memories of the old "Club Call" where that was the only way you could find out what was happening at the club.

Till my old man got the phone bill in😬