Dundee United v Motherwell 22/02/2025

[El Grew]

12 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

Great post. It was important that our new manager got to saw the team as it is. That's a huge positive. A great base from which  to move forward. We were never going to take anything from today's game and I wrote it off a few days ago. Wednesday is much more important. Dundee are also conceding goals aplenty and there's no reason why we can't pick up a point or even 3. 

Current form would tend to support your thinking:

Us at Home
P13 W5 D3 L5 F17 A22 Pts 18

Dundee Away   
P12 W3 D3 L6 F17 A22 Pts 12

Having watched us through the years, more times than not when we’ve been we involved in 6 pointer games we bottle it.

[Well Well]

Wonder if this manager will finally realise how absolutely useless O'Donnell is. 

[robsterwood]

12 minutes ago, El Grew said:

Current form would tend to support your thinking:

Us at Home
P13 W5 D3 L5 F17 A22 Pts 18

Dundee Away   
P12 W3 D3 L6 F17 A22 Pts 12

Having watched us through the years, more times than not when we’ve been we involved in 6 pointer games we bottle it.

 

 

Also we are good at gifting teams 3 points when they on bad run re st johnstone

[smiddy]

37 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

Great post. It was important that our new manager got to saw the team as it is. That's a huge positive. A great base from which  to move forward. We were never going to take anything from today's game and I wrote it off a few days ago. Wednesday is much more important. Dundee are also conceding goals aplenty and there's no reason why we can't pick up a point or even 3. 

Yes there is. That reason is

Simon murray we have nobody to mark him cause he always plays beetween 2 centre backs so they leave him to each other of he comes deeper for the ball then turns n runs at defences  but we will see 

[texanwellfan]

1 hour ago, MJC said:

Poor stuff but not unexpected. Wednesday night is huge for us.

That’s us in 9th spot and probably in 10th after tomorrow’s game when I expect Hearts to go above us. So our job now is to beat Dundee on Wednesday and then at least match them for points week by week

[SteelmaninOZ]

The gaffer said 

 

[MJC]

2 hours ago, grizzlyg said:

We all know who has left us in this mess. Wimmer needs time to assess everyone and what his best team will be.  We need to create a great atmosphere on wed night. If fans get unsettled it plays right into Dundee's hands

You’re not wrong but Wimmer doesn’t have much time to sort this mess out.
 

And if/wheh we fall behind against Dundee on Wednesday night then it’s going to get pretty ugly as the support are scunnered. Obviously on the flip side of that if we score early, play well and win then the picture changes but it’s hard to see that happening with the way things have been going. 
 

As I said earlier, Wednesday against Dundee is a huge game. 

[gaz7]

1 hour ago, El Grew said:

Current form would tend to support your thinking:

Us at Home
P13 W5 D3 L5 F17 A22 Pts 18

Dundee Away   
P12 W3 D3 L6 F17 A22 Pts 12

Having watched us through the years, more times than not when we’ve been we involved in 6 pointer games we bottle it.

 

 

Not been relegated in 40 years so I'd say when heat is really on we don't bottle it.

 

[Yabba's Turd]

3 minutes ago, gaz7 said:

Not been relegated in 40 years so I'd say when heat is really on we don't bottle it.

 

And we didn't shite the bed against Rangers despite the media gasbagging about the good of Scottish football

[grizzlyg]

11 minutes ago, gaz7 said:

Not been relegated in 40 years so I'd say when heat is really on we don't bottle it.

 

Positive attitude? How dare you!! 🤣🤣

[Motherwellfc1991]

Just back from game . Certainly more Possession today I think and created a few half chances and wee spell of pressure in 2nd half . No malice just an opinion but playing SODs will take us down . Midfield today was powder puff. Bossed , bullied and united fitter sharper and just better in the engine room player to player . Miller guilty a few times of drawing out of challenges as well
 

Feel sorry for Wilson out his depth and looks devoid of confidence . Keeper did well , Casey and right back ok and thought sparrow and two strikers tried hard. We just lack quality and fitness and strength all over the pitch . It is gonna be tough to stay in the league and that is on Kettlewell . We need the manager to work a miracle and quickly 

[stv]

2 hours ago, El Grew said:

Current form would tend to support your thinking:

Us at Home
P13 W5 D3 L5 F17 A22 Pts 18

Dundee Away   
P12 W3 D3 L6 F17 A22 Pts 12

Having watched us through the years, more times than not when we’ve been we involved in 6 pointer games we bottle it.

 

 

Unfortunate but true 

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 hour ago, MJC said:

You’re not wrong but Wimmer doesn’t have much time to sort this mess out.
 

And if/wheh we fall behind against Dundee on Wednesday night then it’s going to get pretty ugly as the support are scunnered. Obviously on the flip side of that if we score early, play well and win then the picture changes but it’s hard to see that happening with the way things have been going. 
 

As I said earlier, Wednesday against Dundee is a huge game. 

I keep saying it. The squad is piss poor and full of dross. We should have got a point today against a piss poor Dundee Utd team who hadn't won in 6 games but yet again we lost. We lost because we are garbage. Wimmer can try and change the style which we should support. We have handed every team that's struggling the lift they need because our passing is abysmal, our control and first touch woeful and positional play non existent. That ain't changing for the Dundee game. Dundee are on an horrendous run they've beaten us twice already this season without being good in either. Teams only need one chance against us and we are beat. There isn't a snowballs chance in hell we will beat Dundee. 

[Spit_It_Out]

Don't know why so much doom and gloom is about to be honest that 2nd half is probably the best 2nd half I have witnessed all season.

However today hopefully and more than likely is the eye opener for the new guy got to see them in action I suspect a few changes for the Dundee game.

Also for this to work Daws needs to leave we need a new recruitment process in place.I take it before he presses search button on the pc creativity isn't an option we need some quality on that front we have next to zero.

Onwards and upwards!

 

[FirParkCornerExile]

4 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said:

Don't know why so much doom and gloom is about to be honest that 2nd half is probably the best 2nd half I have witnessed all season.

However today hopefully and more than likely is the eye opener for the new guy got to see them in action I suspect a few changes for the Dundee game.

Also for this to work Daws needs to leave we need a new recruitment process in place.I take it before he presses search button on the pc creativity isn't an option we need some quality on that front we have next to zero.

Onwards and upwards!

 

You dont understand the doom and gloom ? seriously .. one win in 11 , DU honking have pretty much 1 or 2 chances and they still beat us. Yeah we were better today but that in no way means we were good. First touch still abysmal,  set pieces amateurish , passing wayward. 

[wellgirl]

2 hours ago, Motherwellfc1991 said:

Just back from game . Certainly more Possession today I think and created a few half chances and wee spell of pressure in 2nd half . No malice just an opinion but playing SODs will take us down . Midfield today was powder puff. Bossed , bullied and united fitter sharper and just better in the engine room player to player . Miller guilty a few times of drawing out of challenges as well
 

Feel sorry for Wilson out his depth and looks devoid of confidence . Keeper did well , Casey and right back ok and thought sparrow and two strikers tried hard. We just lack quality and fitness and strength all over the pitch . It is gonna be tough to stay in the league and that is on Kettlewell . We need the manager to work a miracle and quickly 

I don't think this is all on SK. We have been very unlucky with injuries: Stam, Seddon, Ox, Nicolson, and Miller's injury, which he's still recovering from. I agree that Wilson is out of his depth, and I think he should be benched. This isn't all on the manager; the players need to step up soon. 

The issue is that we are shit in defence and we aren't scoring either. At least in previous seasons when we were leaking goals we had players scoring at the other end

 

 

[wellgirl]

2 hours ago, Motherwellfc1991 said:

Just back from game . Certainly more Possession today I think and created a few half chances and wee spell of pressure in 2nd half . No malice just an opinion but playing SODs will take us down . Midfield today was powder puff. Bossed , bullied and united fitter sharper and just better in the engine room player to player . Miller guilty a few times of drawing out of challenges as well
 

Feel sorry for Wilson out his depth and looks devoid of confidence . Keeper did well , Casey and right back ok and thought sparrow and two strikers tried hard. We just lack quality and fitness and strength all over the pitch . It is gonna be tough to stay in the league and that is on Kettlewell . We need the manager to work a miracle and quickly 

There is no reason for players to be lacking fitness. If they are something is really wrong

[joewarkfanclub]

5 hours ago, santheman said:

If we somehow avoid that, major squad rebuild in the summer required and I just hope the WS have all this inward investment  lined up to attract a better quality player otherwise its rinse and repeat next season. 

Not picking on you individually, but this thought process rips ma knitting.

It doesnt matter whether the Well Society own the club or a multi billionaire.

We still have to live within our means.

Billionaires dont become billionaires by giving away their money. They only lend it to football clubs in the form of loans that require to be paid back.

Kettlewell had plenty of money to spend, regardless of how he made out that he didnt. He just didnt spend it as wisely as he might have. Thats why we are running a 34 man squad.

Obviously, if the Society can bring in more outside investment, that will be welcome. But we still have to spend it properly.

Same with any money we make off Lennon Miller.

There are ways to grow a football club even at our level. If we start by not pissing it up a wall it will be a good start!

[star sail]

3 hours ago, MJC said:

You’re not wrong but Wimmer doesn’t have much time to sort this mess out.
 

And if/wheh we fall behind against Dundee on Wednesday night then it’s going to get pretty ugly as the support are scunnered. Obviously on the flip side of that if we score early, play well and win then the picture changes but it’s hard to see that happening with the way things have been going. 
 

As I said earlier, Wednesday against Dundee is a huge game. 

So your saying that it is reasonable to expect that, in the new managers second game in charge, having been in the door just over a week, if the team don't get a result, it will turn ugly? 

What would ugly look like? Sack the board? Sack the manager? Shout abuse at the players? 

I know I am a happy clapper and all but even with the most pessimistic of outlooks surely you don't withdraw support after two games?

I agree Wednesday is now a massive  game but win or lose we have no option but to back the manager and the players to the end of the season.

[joewarkfanclub]

Im guessing the majority of posters on here werent at the game today as I feel I was watching something totally different from everyone else.

First half I thought we competed well enough and were much less passive than under Kettlewell. We werent as composed on the ball as we might have been but we still created a few chances with Maswanhise in particular coming very close. United had more possession but the goal apart, which could have been defended better, they didnt threaten us that much.

Second half was much better. We controlled the ball more and put pressure on the United defence and they had to put bodies on the line to keep us out.

United did create some chances on the break but Balcombe and our defence dealt with it for the most part.

Yes we lost the game today, but it was far more entertaining to watch and I left with a hope and a belief that things are going ro get better.

Thats lightyears ahead of the way Ive felt for most of the season.

The performance was far from perfect and all our weaknesses and deficiencies are still there for all to see. But if folks dont think that was an improvement today? I dont know what to say.

PS Lennon Miller maybe wasnt great today in a creative sense. But he worked his socks off and his interceptions were absolutely vital at times. He dealt with Alan Campbell physically to the extent Campbell wa substituted. Maybe cut the boy some slack and appreciate what he does bring instead of what he didnt today.

[Stuwell2]

This game is winnable and (although I’m not saying we will) with a bit of luck we could also win another two or three before the split.

I don’t know about any of you folks but I saw an improvement today by the fact that we closed down their defender’s, tried to protect the defence and although we didn’t make any clear cut chances on another day we could have got something out of the game. 

Onwards and hopefully upwards, keep the faith, glass half full and all that folks. 

[Spit_It_Out]

One thing I hope Wimmer sees is SOD is shouldn't be playing anywhere in a back three.

Having witnessed the highlights now that effort to try head the ball for the goal is shocking my 5ft grandad couldn't have jumped higher than him.

Nah I think teams are seeing this as a weak point in our three at the back and abusing it with good results.

 

[wellgirl]

53 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Not picking on you individually, but this thought process rips ma knitting.

It doesnt matter whether the Well Society own the club or a multi billionaire.

We still have to live within our means.

Billionaires dont become billionaires by giving away their money. They only lend it to football clubs in the form of loans that require to be paid back.

Kettlewell had plenty of money to spend, regardless of how he made out that he didnt. He just didnt spend it as wisely as he might have. Thats why we are running a 34 man squad.

Obviously, if the Society can bring in more outside investment, that will be welcome. But we still have to spend it properly.

Same with any money we make off Lennon Miller.

There are ways to grow a football club even at our level. If we start by not pissing it up a wall it will be a good start!

Surely its easier to be in a club that has lots of money at its disposal. We are in a league where we are supposed to compete with clubs that have millions to spend and we dont

Kettlewell also didnt sign these players on his own  - other people were involved 

I am honestly at the point where I am almost done. I will always support Motherwell but I am sick of seeing us scrape along the bottom again

[wellgirl]

It also rankles that some of our players dont seem to give a **** when there are fans who scrape together money to watch them. I dont believe this is all on Kettlewell. These are professional players who need to get their finger out and soon. We are garbage from the front to the back and this isnt all on the defence. Other teams can score and we cant for some reason

[Spit_It_Out]

10 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Surely its easier to be in a club that has lots of money at its disposal. We are in a league where we are supposed to compete with clubs that have millions to spend and we dont

Kettlewell also didnt sign these players on his own  - other people were involved 

I am honestly at the point where I am almost done. I will always support Motherwell but I am sick of seeing us scrape along the bottom again

When you sign players like AP for a six figure sum to basically destroy his confidence playing with tactics that is not even close to use the player properly that in itself is all on Kettlewell.

A total waste of club funds of the highest order.I really don't get what Kettlewell done in the Summer transfer window other than set every penny we had on fire signing players like Watt and Taveras from rival teams freeing up a wage for them is a total joke and look what returns we have got for that......Zero!

Kettlewell has the final say mind don't forget that so really it was all on him to say no or yes.

 

As for the club and funds the Lennon Miller money is the Investment let's be honest here I don't see the Well Society coming up with anything on that front.