Rangers v FC Motherwell 01/03/2025

[joewarkfanclub]

2 wins in 4 days has made us more or less safe. One more would seal it I think.

The bigger carrot is top 6.

If we can win our 2 home games v St Mirren and Hearts I think we are almost stick on to make it.

Hearts would need to beat Celtic at Parkhead and St Mirren win their remaining 3 games to pip us.

By the time we get to the Hearts game we will know exactly what we need to do though......

 

[grizzlyg]

20 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

We need three points from 9 games to be safe I think - we'll be fine 

As Michael Wimmer once said......calm down dear.......we will be fine 🤪

[twistandshout1983]

1 hour ago, grizzlyg said:

My dad was at ibrox back in 1961.....I love my mum......her reply to me yesterday.............And the boys in blue went down 1-2 to the boys in claret and Amber 🙂

Classic

Brilliant 👏 👏 👏 absolutely superb

[Happy Dosser]

Given that we have achieved back-to-back victories only once  at Ibrox in more than 60-odd years, it got me thinking why?

Surely the relative strengths of the two  teams can't suddenly have narrowed to explain our recent wins? We've had a lot of pretty decent teams (much better than the present one) which continually came up short in that period against Rangers teams of varied ability .

I always thought that even good managers like McGhee and McCall almost wrote off our matches against the OF and we just went through the motions in these fixtures.

I feel that psychology/attitude  must explain some of our abject performances at Ibrox: we were beaten before we started, irrespective of the relative strengths of the two teams.

Which brings me to Mr Wimmer. I can't imagine that a visit to Castle  Grayskull held many terrrors for a man who was used to playing away at Bayern Munich or Dortmund und so weiter in his spell at Stuttgart as assistant and then manager.

So is the psychological aspect of "beaten before we started" a possible explanation for that shocking six decade statistic? I remember when Ian St. John took over as manager  we immediately reversed a dire record at Celtic Park too because of his aggressive and positive mindset and it was great to see Pettigrew and Graham carve them up in away fixtures.

 

[twistandshout1983]

8 minutes ago, Happy Dosser said:

Given that we have achieved back-to-back victories only once  at Ibrox in more than 60-odd years, it got me thinking why?

Surely the relative strengths of the two  teams can't suddenly have narrowed to explain our recent wins? We've had a lot of pretty decent teams (much better than the present one) which continually came up short in that period against Rangers teams of varied ability .

I always thought that even good managers like McGhee and McCall almost wrote off our matches against the OF and we just went through the motions in these fixtures.

I feel that psychology/attitude  must explain some of our abject performances at Ibrox: we were beaten before we started, irrespective of the relative strengths of the two teams.

Which brings me to Mr Wimmer. I can't imagine that a visit to Castle  Grayskull held many terrrors for a man who was used to playing away at Bayern Munich or Dortmund und so weiter in his spell at Stuttgart as assistant and then manager.

So is the psychological aspect of "beaten before we started" a possible explanation for that shocking six decade statistic? I remember when Ian St. John took over as manager  we immediately reversed a dire record at Celtic Park too because of his aggressive and positive mindset and it was great to see Pettigrew and Graham carve them up in away fixtures.

 

Absolutely 💯 , having a positive outlook in these games definitely helps

Baraclough in the playoffs , Robinson in the semi final in 2017 are two examples

Really liked Stuart McCall but always felt he talked down our chances before a ball was kicked , 2012 cup game was a prime example when we were top of the league , and they were dropping points against the likes of Berwick and Peterhead , to be fair to Stuart he had a good record against Celtic 

 

[FirParkCornerExile]

13 minutes ago, Happy Dosser said:

Given that we have achieved back-to-back victories only once  at Ibrox in more than 60-odd years, it got me thinking why?

Surely the relative strengths of the two  teams can't suddenly have narrowed to explain our recent wins? We've had a lot of pretty decent teams (much better than the present one) which continually came up short in that period against Rangers teams of varied ability .

I always thought that even good managers like McGhee and McCall almost wrote off our matches against the OF and we just went through the motions in these fixtures.

I feel that psychology/attitude  must explain some of our abject performances at Ibrox: we were beaten before we started, irrespective of the relative strengths of the two teams.

Which brings me to Mr Wimmer. I can't imagine that a visit to Castle  Grayskull held many terrrors for a man who was used to playing away at Bayern Munich or Dortmund und so weiter in his spell at Stuttgart as assistant and then manager.

So is the psychological aspect of "beaten before we started" a possible explanation for that shocking six decade statistic? I remember when Ian St. John took over as manager  we immediately reversed a dire record at Celtic Park too because of his aggressive and positive mindset and it was great to see Pettigrew and Graham carve them up in away fixtures.

 

McGhee certainly did, he was shocking in his build up to the OF games. He spent the entire week before the games bigging them up in the media basically saying we should just be lucky to be on the same pitch as them. 

[twistandshout1983]

Just now, FirParkCornerExile said:

McGhee certainly did, he was shocking in his build up the OF games. He  spent the entire week before the games bigging them up in the media basically saying we should just be lucky to be on the same pitch as them. 

McGhee funnily enough overseen our last 2 league wins at Celtic Park

I don't ever want to see him back at Fir Park though , his attitude in his second spell was a joke , and not in a good way

[FirParkCornerExile]

11 minutes ago, twistandshout1983 said:

McGhee funnily enough overseen our last 2 league wins at Celtic Park

I don't ever want to see him back at Fir Park though , his attitude in his second spell was a joke , and not in a good way

He was excellent in his first period but he was still terrible for bumming up the Old Firm. Mind you I think had it not been for the tragic death of Phil O'Donnell he may have jumped ship to Hearts. He does deserve credit for the way he handled the tragic death of Phil O'Donnell.

[dennyc]

1 hour ago, twistandshout1983 said:

McGhee funnily enough overseen our last 2 league wins at Celtic Park

I don't ever want to see him back at Fir Park though , his attitude in his second spell was a joke , and not in a good way

McGhee and Strachan were sitting with the Dundee Directors last week at Fir Park.. Hopefully that's as close as either get to being involved at Fir Park.

[twistandshout1983]

1 hour ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

He was excellent in his first period but he was still terrible for bumming up the Old Firm. Mind you I think had it not been for the tragic death of Phil O'Donnell he may have jumped ship to Hearts. He does deserve credit for the way he handled the tragic death of Phil O'Donnell.

That is very true , the way he handled Uncle Phil's death he has my respect always for that . His silly comments in his second spell let him down. Definitely don't dislike him as a person

[grizzlyg]

42 minutes ago, twistandshout1983 said:

That is very true , the way he handled Uncle Phil's death he has my respect always for that . His silly comments in his second spell let him down. Definitely don't dislike him as a person

I agree, the way he handled the uncle Phil tragedy was class and I think a lot of fans forget that. 

[FirParkCornerExile]

Just watched the game again and noticeable when we won the ball from Butlands throw out we had 7 players in the Rangers half, and at the second goal 7 players again in the Rangers half , night and day from SKs tactics

[postiejim]

Going to be a great 4 games before the split. Come on ye Well

 

[joewarkfanclub]

9 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Just watched the game again and noticeable when we won the ball from Butlands throw out we had 7 players in the Rangers half, and at the second goal 7 players again in the Rangers half , night and day from SKs tactics

Not gonna go after Kettlewell on this one as our performances against Rangers and Celtic were generally pretty good. The 2 games at Ibrox last season in particular, were 2 of the best performances there in a long time.

However, the way we were set up this season there is no way we score the two goals we did as we wouldnt have been far enough up the park to take advantage of the mistakes. In fact, you could argue the mistakes would never have happened without the pressure on the ball.

Thats not to say we might not have created chances in a different way, but there is no denying, this getting after teams is eminently more enjoyable to watch. Be interesting to see if anyone is able to come up with a solution to beat the press.....

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 hour ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Not gonna go after Kettlewell on this one as our performances against Rangers and Celtic were generally pretty good. The 2 games at Ibrox last season in particular, were 2 of the best performances there in a long time.

However, the way we were set up this season there is no way we score the two goals we did as we wouldnt have been far enough up the park to take advantage of the mistakes. In fact, you could argue the mistakes would never have happened without the pressure on the ball.

Thats not to say we might not have created chances in a different way, but there is no denying, this getting after teams is eminently more enjoyable to watch. Be interesting to see if anyone is able to come up with a solution to beat the press.....

My reference to SK was the way we set up this season, however the two games last year were bit more smash n grab and hitting on the break. I thought we had far more control of the game on Saturday than we normally do. 

[FirParkCornerExile]

10 hours ago, postiejim said:

Going to be a great 4 games before the split. Come on ye Well

 

Id love the top 6 place to go down to the wire between us and Hearts and we have them at Fir Park last game before the split. As well as being a ding dong battle it would put some much needed money in the clubs coffers as that would attract a big crowd to make up for some of the poor attendances of late.

[grizzlyg]

Ohhhhhh Andy Andy....playing a blinder on Clyde 1 tonight. Putting gers fans in their place 

[Richie]

😂 'Halliday Man' has just been on SSB

[grizzlyg]

15 minutes ago, Richie said:

😂 'Halliday Man' has just been on SSB

He was really good,  totally sticking up for us against gers fan with sour grapes