twistandshout1983 Posted Saturday at 10:46 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 10:46 PM 8 hours ago, mio said: If we finish second bottom…… which is looking more and more likely. There is no way on earth we are beating Livingston over two games…. Not a chance in hell. As poor as today was I am sure we are capable of beating Livingston if that was to happen In 2014-2015 I must admit I was convinced Rangers who were piss poor at the time would still beat us , and McCall would relegated us . It turned out good in the end 👍 Different season of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted Saturday at 10:54 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 10:54 PM Hard to fully judge today's performance because of the sending off. It was really harsh but Balmer does leave his foot in and it gives the ref the option to make the decision. Killie huffed and puffed against 10 men so I don't think we can assume that we would have lost the game if it had been 11 v 11. The teams are so closely matched that a sending off tips the balance. I don't think we will finish 11 th. We will pick up at least one win between now and the end of the season. I would be surprised if 41 points is not enough. No team has any consistency. St Mirren scored 5 last week and lost today. I think Dundee are the best footballing side in the bottom 6. I thought they were very unlucky to lose at FP and they played some nice football in spells. I think they may go on a run after today's result. The other teams are all poor and will trade results. It is sad to see the Wimmer revolution hit the buffers but it is proof for me that a new manager is rarely the solution to all problems. Rangers are proving the same at the moment. It is crazy to think that a victory next weekend could still result in us finishing top 6. It has been yet another weird season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted Saturday at 11:09 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 11:09 PM Red card an absolute farce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted Saturday at 11:41 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 11:41 PM The red card was a farce but I just watched nearly 3 mins of highlights and the Well highlights were the Balmer red card and the Thompson potential red card not one pathetic attempt at goal for us to view that itself is truly embarrassing. Two of the weakest goals we have let in all season so so poor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted Sunday at 01:05 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:05 AM The gaffer said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted Sunday at 06:23 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 06:23 AM Whe got gubbed by Aberdeen and needed a reaction yesterday . we didn’t get any reaction - we offered zero . Had a single shot on target . Talk of the sending off changing the game for me isn’t accurate ,we started badly and continued to play badly . We offered zero moving forward . The manager after a decent start has stopped getting a style of play that he’s asked for . we need a significant change in either approach , shape , personnel for next few games . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted Sunday at 08:03 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:03 AM Wimmer keeps talking about getting a ‘picture’ of the players to help him make decisions on tactics and formation. My question is how long will it take for him to get the required ‘picture’ that some of the players he continues to pick should be shown the door now?! Make no mistake, this squad in its current form will see him lose his job next season unless he eviscerates it. But right now, he needs to pick players willing to fight for survival, and there’s not many of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted Sunday at 08:19 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:19 AM 10 minutes ago, wellfan said: Wimmer keeps talking about getting a ‘picture’ of the players to help him make decisions on tactics and formation. My question is how long will it take for him to get the required ‘picture’ that some of the players he continues to pick should be shown the door now?! Make no mistake, this squad in its current form will see him lose his job next season unless he eviscerates it. But right now, he needs to pick players willing to fight for survival, and there’s not many of them. That’s my thoughts too. Clearly Wimmer was up against it from the off and the squad of utter shite that he inherited was not of his doing, but the players he is picking are simply not up to it and you don’t see things improving any time soon. Personally I’ll be amazed if we avoid the playoffs and you wouldn’t bank on this squad of dross having the ability and fight to win a two-legged tie against whatever Championship side we end up facing. And after that I’d expect us and Wimmer to part company whether that’s on his terms or ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted Sunday at 09:22 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:22 AM See with me there is nothing about this team to like any of them could leave tomorrow and I just wouldn't care one bit.We always had at least one player that could dig us out of a mess now we don't have that we that. I really don't want to hear a player coming out this week and we have let the fans down utter tripe blah blah blah we want to see some bloody actions on the pitch cause what we are witnessing is a team that's slipped back into old ways very very quickly after two decent performances. Wimmer needs to realise that they can't play how he wants them to play and go back to basics we need to grind out results do something else even draws cause this what we are doing the now with this group just is not happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couttsy Posted Sunday at 09:38 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:38 AM My god we were poor yesterday, but given we were down to 10 men after 26 mins it’s really hard to judge the players on that. I believe the club owe it to their supporters to make a stand this week on what when on with the officiating yesterday. Both red cards are ridiculous decisions. Anyone who’s played football knows the 1st ones not a red, added to that how did the Killie player get away without even a yellow for the 2 handed push into Balmer chest?! Did the ref just completely forget that happened after he went to the screen? The 2nd red is even more ridiculous, what the hell was the linesman doing/saying to the ref given he’s 2/3 yards away and looking right at it?! Thomson is actually pulled onto Armstrong. Then he goes to the screen and changes it from a red to a yellow. The only yellow that should have been given was to Armstrong for the initial foul and the shirt pull. Then we have the 4th official manhandling Thomson to try and get him away from the Killie sub/up the tunnel. Since when was it acceptable for officials to touch players?! Some of us will have spent a small fortune (£27 is mental) travelling down to that game yesterday, which was completely ruined by an incompetent official. Total waste of all our time and money. We’ve now had 3 red cards against Killie, one overturned by VAR, one overturned on appeal and one that should be overturned this week. Couldn’t make it up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted Sunday at 10:05 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 10:05 AM 23 minutes ago, couttsy said: My god we were poor yesterday, but given we were down to 10 men after 26 mins it’s really hard to judge the players on that. I believe the club owe it to their supporters to make a stand this week on what when on with the officiating yesterday. Both red cards are ridiculous decisions. Anyone who’s played football knows the 1st ones not a red, added to that how did the Killie player get away without even a yellow for the 2 handed push into Balmer chest?! Did the ref just completely forget that happened after he went to the screen? The 2nd red is even more ridiculous, what the hell was the linesman doing/saying to the ref given he’s 2/3 yards away and looking right at it?! Thomson is actually pulled onto Armstrong. Then he goes to the screen and changes it from a red to a yellow. The only yellow that should have been given was to Armstrong for the initial foul and the shirt pull. Then we have the 4th official manhandling Thomson to try and get him away from the Killie sub/up the tunnel. Since when was it acceptable for officials to touch players?! Some of us will have spent a small fortune (£27 is mental) travelling down to that game yesterday, which was completely ruined by an incompetent official. Total waste of all our time and money. We’ve now had 3 red cards against Killie, one overturned by VAR, one overturned on appeal and one that should be overturned this week. Couldn’t make it up! Agree. Officiating at so called top level in Scotland is crap. Var not making difference either apart from trying to re referee matches re 1st sending off. Looks like var actively looking to intervene just to prove it's worth and ends up getting it badly wrong. More money to pay these clowns. Some are absolute amateurs. Your right good money wasted. Zero entertainment. I won't be back untill I see big improvement. I actually enjoyed watching my teenage son's club match mutch more and seen more skill there too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted Sunday at 11:09 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 11:09 AM 12 hours ago, star sail said: Hard to fully judge today's performance because of the sending off. It was really harsh but Balmer does leave his foot in and it gives the ref the option to make the decision. Killie huffed and puffed against 10 men so I don't think we can assume that we would have lost the game if it had been 11 v 11. The teams are so closely matched that a sending off tips the balance. I don't think we will finish 11 th. We will pick up at least one win between now and the end of the season. I would be surprised if 41 points is not enough. No team has any consistency. St Mirren scored 5 last week and lost today. I think Dundee are the best footballing side in the bottom 6. I thought they were very unlucky to lose at FP and they played some nice football in spells. I think they may go on a run after today's result. The other teams are all poor and will trade results. It is sad to see the Wimmer revolution hit the buffers but it is proof for me that a new manager is rarely the solution to all problems. Rangers are proving the same at the moment. It is crazy to think that a victory next weekend could still result in us finishing top 6. It has been yet another weird season. Kilmarnock were piss poor but they were all over us when it was 11 v 11. We rarely got out our own half. Back pass boot long, rinse and repeat , that was all we did before and after the sending off. There is every chance they'd still have beaten us. We were absolutely abysmal before and after the sending off and using the sending off ass an excuse papers over an utterly shocking plays. Halliday at the first goal was utterly laughable. Thinking he is a player pissing about on the edge of the box leading to the chaos that resulted in the goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted Sunday at 11:25 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 11:25 AM 2 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Kilmarnock were piss poor but they were all over us when it was 11 v 11. We rarely got out our own half. Back pass boot long, rinse and repeat , that was all we did before and after the sending off. There is every chance they'd still have beaten us. We were absolutely abysmal before and after the sending off and using the sending off ass an excuse papers over an utterly shocking plays. Halliday at the first goal was utterly laughable. Thinking he is a player pissing about on the edge of the box leading to the chaos that resulted in the goal. Exactly,the sending off is way down the list of reasons why we lost that game yesterday,you could tell after 10 minutes exactly what kind of performance we were going to put in,even with 10 men there needs to be some kind of plan to get back into the game but yet even with a man less all we did was kick it away.we struggle everytime the opposition is a man down but yet don't have a clue when the shoe is on the other foot.im at the point now where I hate this current team and want the season done,it doesn't matter what 11 is on the park its same old same old,none of them take any responsibility,take the second goal yesterday as example as if the first wasn't bad enough,we let the cross ball come all the way to the back post and not one of our players even made an attempt to jump and challenge for it,then they all look about gormless at each other,the sooner the majority of them have all fucked off and doing that elsewhere the better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted Sunday at 12:55 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 12:55 PM Ok, now I am worried. Saints just beat sellik and had an outstanding goalie. We need Ox back asap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted Sunday at 12:57 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 12:57 PM 3 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Ok, now I am worried. Saints just beat sellik and had an outstanding goalie. We need Ox back asap That was a shocking result for us in our current form. We need a lot more than a decent goalkeeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted Sunday at 12:59 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 12:59 PM 2 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Ok, now I am worried. Saints just beat sellik and had an outstanding goalie. We need Ox back asap Aye there keeper had some game there,there two big centre halfs were impressive as well,they just cleared there lines at every opportunity unlike what we had on show yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted Sunday at 12:59 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 12:59 PM 2 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Ok, now I am worried. Saints just beat sellik and had an outstanding goalie. We need Ox back asap Yip, sickening to see St.Johnstone get a result that we could only dream of and more importantly it pulls them closer to us. Anyone who doesn’t think that relegation is a distinct possibility is dreaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted Sunday at 01:02 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:02 PM 2 minutes ago, MJC said: Yip, sickening to see St.Johnstone get a result that we could only dream of and more importantly it pulls them closer to us. Anyone who doesn’t think that relegation is a distinct possibility is dreaming. Of course it is but we still have the 9 point gap over them. It's the play off place that's more likely to be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted Sunday at 01:03 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:03 PM 4 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Ok, now I am worried. Saints just beat sellik and had an outstanding goalie. We need Ox back asap Happy for Simo took alot of flack but least they have a fight in them unlike us we have nothing in us just a media release how they have let down the fans. Ox won't save us sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted Sunday at 01:04 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:04 PM 6 minutes ago, MJC said: Yip, sickening to see St.Johnstone get a result that we could only dream of and more importantly it pulls them closer to us. Anyone who doesn’t think that relegation is a distinct possibility is dreaming. we need a win next week to ease relegation fears , fuck all about the top 6. Is it better that Hearts win today and secure top 6 meaning they have fuck all to play for next week ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted Sunday at 01:09 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:09 PM 2 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Of course it is but we still have the 9 point gap over them. It's the play off place that's more likely to be an issue. It’s unlikely that StJ will catch us but as I said they’ve just got a result that we absolutely would not have got. Had that been us playing Celtic at Fir Park today we would have lost by at least two goals. So they will gain some degree of confidence from that. The playoffs for us are most likely. We will lose to Hearts next week and then it will be all down to how many points we can pick up in the last five games. On current form and with the team we have it’s hard to see us picking up many, if any points. Bum status: squeaky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted Sunday at 01:12 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:12 PM 2 minutes ago, MJC said: It’s unlikely that StJ will catch us but as I said they’ve just got a result that we absolutely would not have got. Had that been us playing Celtic at Fir Park today we would have lost by at least two goals. So they will gain some degree of confidence from that. The playoffs for us are most likely. We will lose to Hearts next week and then it will be all down to how many points we can pick up in the last five games. On current form and with the team we have it’s hard to see us picking up many, if any points. Bum status: squeaky I agree. But it's pretty much like this every season isn't it? Not saying our luck won't run out this year. We never do things the easy way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted Sunday at 01:17 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:17 PM 6 minutes ago, MJC said: It’s unlikely that StJ will catch us but as I said they’ve just got a result that we absolutely would not have got. Had that been us playing Celtic at Fir Park today we would have lost by at least two goals. So they will gain some degree of confidence from that. The playoffs for us are most likely. We will lose to Hearts next week and then it will be all down to how many points we can pick up in the last five games. On current form and with the team we have it’s hard to see us picking up many, if any points. Bum status: squeaky Unlikely but most certainly not off the table, we are an absolutely turgid watch and frankly I have zero confidence in the shower of wasters who represent us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
si91 Posted Sunday at 01:18 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:18 PM 6 minutes ago, MJC said: It’s unlikely that StJ will catch us but as I said they’ve just got a result that we absolutely would not have got. Had that been us playing Celtic at Fir Park today we would have lost by at least two goals. So they will gain some degree of confidence from that. The playoffs for us are most likely. We will lose to Hearts next week and then it will be all down to how many points we can pick up in the last five games. On current form and with the team we have it’s hard to see us picking up many, if any points. Bum status: squeaky And yet, we went to Ibrox the other week and won; we are capable of beating teams at the top end of the league when things look grim. I do agree that things don’t look great but they could absolutely be worse. It won’t be pretty between now and the end of the season but I think we’ll have enough to fall over the right side of the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted Sunday at 01:19 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:19 PM 1 minute ago, si91 said: And yet, we went to Ibrox the other week and won; we are capable of beating teams at the top end of the league when things look grim. I do agree that things don’t look great but they could absolutely be worse. It won’t be pretty between now and the end of the season but I think we’ll have enough to fall over the right side of the line I hope so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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