Yabba's Turd Posted Thursday at 09:36 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 09:36 PM 19 minutes ago, star sail said: We always seemed more successful with recruitment when the manager himself had a list of players he wanted. Jim Gannon is possibly the most obvious example of this. Baraclough also brought with him a portfolio of players he wanted to sign that included Louis Moult. I thought MW's interview was very interesting today. He admitted that he does not have the players to play the style he wants. Does he have a list of players that he does want to sign to play his style or does he ask Dawes to find him players with a certain skill set? I wonder sometimes if the obsession with data analysis comes at the expense of a managers natural feel for the game and for a good player. They are supposed to compliment each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted Thursday at 10:03 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 10:03 PM Data analysis is obviously important. But it should only be part of the picture. We should still be having a scout getting eyes on anyone identified to see how they actually perform in the flesh. Maybe thats too labour intensive for the the world we now live in, but it doesnt feel right to be signing players we have never actually seen play. Obviously, we arent flying anyone out to Australia, but we should be using contacts to do some of our business for us. There was a reason that managers signed players they knew. They trusted them to be able to do a job. Can you really trust data? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted Friday at 05:12 AM Report Share Posted Friday at 05:12 AM 8 hours ago, wellsince75 said: What concerns me isn't about any individual who's recruiting , more the general direction we've gotten into. Over the last decade we've transitioned from bringing in 7-8 new players and regularly brining in 16-20. There's a lot less of the younger crew coming through on a regular basis and we're going from full overhaul one season to a next. We've always had budget constraints , for me we're being really wasteful and the approach needs to change. Fair points, well made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted Friday at 10:04 AM Report Share Posted Friday at 10:04 AM On a serious note out with Miller who in our team would command a decent fee? Clearly AS was brought in in the hope he would do us a turn get good and sell on but that's looking like 50/50 for me still time to shine. Slattery might get us a low 6 figure fee decent enough player. We really need quality and let's be honest it doesn't take that much quality to look fantastic in Scottish football I hope Wimmer is backed ten fold to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted Friday at 12:35 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 12:35 PM 2 hours ago, Spit_It_Out said: On a serious note out with Miller who in our team would command a decent fee? Clearly AS was brought in in the hope he would do us a turn get good and sell on but that's looking like 50/50 for me still time to shine. Slattery might get us a low 6 figure fee decent enough player. We really need quality and let's be honest it doesn't take that much quality to look fantastic in Scottish football I hope Wimmer is backed ten fold to do so. If ox and maswanhise can improve a tad then possible fee for them and Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted Friday at 01:10 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:10 PM 3 hours ago, Spit_It_Out said: Clearly AS was brought in in the hope he would do us a turn get good and sell on but that's looking like 50/50 for me still time to shine. Stama has 2 years left on his contract so he does still have ‘time to shine’. However, given he’s made of tissue paper and is 10,000 miles from home, I think the best we can hope to get from our investment is a few more goals and assists. He certainly hasn’t put himself in the shop window this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted Friday at 01:33 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:33 PM 20 minutes ago, wellfan said: Stama has 2 years left on his contract so he does still have ‘time to shine’. However, given he’s made of tissue paper and is 10,000 miles from home, I think the best we can hope to get from our investment is a few more goals and assists. He certainly hasn’t put himself in the shop window this season. I'd happily move him on - ideally for some cash He averages 12-17 games per season, this season isn't unsusal for him. We can't afford this type of player on our books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted Friday at 01:36 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:36 PM 1 minute ago, wellsince75 said: I'd happily move him on - ideally for some cash He averages 12-17 games per season, this season isn't unsusal for him. We can't afford this type of player on our books. Aye, we have several of these types on our books, hence the tissue paper comment. We’ve amassed a bloated squad littered with crocks and duds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted Friday at 01:54 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:54 PM I would give Stama a pre season and until the January transfer window 2026 if we don't see anything by then maybe best to part ways if we can but I have the feeling he might be off this summer. Seen glimpses of something but he needs to stay fit as a fiddle week in week out and I don't think that part is achievable sadly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted Friday at 02:26 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 02:26 PM 30 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said: I would give Stama a pre season and until the January transfer window 2026 if we don't see anything by then maybe best to part ways if we can but I have the feeling he might be off this summer. Seen glimpses of something but he needs to stay fit as a fiddle week in week out and I don't think that part is achievable sadly. He shouldn’t be going anywhere this summer unless another club offers us some decent money for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted Friday at 03:56 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 03:56 PM Stama wasn't played properly by Kettlewell at first, was playing the lone striker role. When we went 2 up top with Stama and Maswanhise they were looking a good partnership. I am not writing Stama off yet , a full pre season and hopefully wimmer can get best out him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted Friday at 04:09 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 04:09 PM 2 hours ago, wellfan said: Stama has 2 years left on his contract so he does still have ‘time to shine’. However, given he’s made of tissue paper and is 10,000 miles from home, I think the best we can hope to get from our investment is a few more goals and assists. He certainly hasn’t put himself in the shop window this season. I still have my suspicions he wont play for us again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted Friday at 04:24 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 04:24 PM 13 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: I still have my suspicions he wont play for us again. Me too, I think he does not want to be here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted Friday at 06:12 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 06:12 PM 1 hour ago, Spiderpig said: Me too, I think he does not want to be here Based on what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mccus28 Posted Friday at 06:22 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 06:22 PM https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/25112414.return-king-louis-moult-motherwell-make-sense/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 22 hours ago, Yabba's Turd said: Based on what? Nothing more than ever since his new baby arrived he's been permanently injured and unavailable, very little mention of him from Fir Park, so just an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 22 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: Nothing more than ever since his new baby arrived he's been permanently injured and unavailable, very little mention of him from Fir Park, so just an opinion. Except he became a father prior to arriving at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 25 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: Nothing more than ever since his new baby arrived he's been permanently injured and unavailable, very little mention of him from Fir Park, so just an opinion. Did he break his arm to spend more time with the baby? I don't know how unsettled he is, but I also don't see this as an Ian Vigurs "sore back" situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 3 minutes ago, fizoxy said: Did he break his arm to spend more time with the baby? I don't know how unsettled he is, but I also don't see this as an Ian Vigurs "sore back" situation. I don't think anyone would break their arm to the point where it required surgery to spend more time with their kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 32 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: Nothing more than ever since his new baby arrived he's been permanently injured and unavailable, very little mention of him from Fir Park, so just an opinion. The club put out a statement after he broke his arm - one that required surgery. He also posted on his socials saying he was gutted and looking forward to next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted 16 hours ago Report Share Posted 16 hours ago 4 hours ago, wellgirl said: I don't think anyone would break their arm to the point where it required surgery to spend more time with their kid. I know people who would break their own arm to AVOID spending more time with their kids 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 14 hours ago, wellgirl said: The club put out a statement after he broke his arm - one that required surgery. He also posted on his socials saying he was gutted and looking forward to next season Time will tell if he's part of MW's plans come the summer rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, Spiderpig said: Time will tell if he's part of MW's plans come the summer rebuild. He's still our player for another two years though and we actually paid a fee for him, so I hope that he proves his worth next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 56 minutes ago, Mad Dog said: He's still our player for another two years though and we actually paid a fee for him, so I hope that he proves his worth next season. So do I, we've had enough injuries and unavailable players this season to last a lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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