El Grew Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 How do folks think we will fare in our 5 games after the split? Current stats don’t make great reading. BOTTOM 6 Hearts 40 -1 Motherwell 39 -19 Kilmarnock 35 -20 Ross County 35 -23 Dundee 34 -21 St. Johnstone 29 -25 BOTTOM 6 WINS IN LAST 10 Hearts 5 wins (3H,2A) St J’stone 4 wins (3H,1A) Kilmarnock 3 wins (3H) Ross County 3 wins (2H,1A) Dundee 3 wins (2H,1A) Motherwell 2 wins (1H,1A) OUR RECORD V BOTTOM 5 HOME AWAY PWLD PWLD Hearts 2 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 K’arnock 1 0 0 1 2 0 1 1 Ross Cty 2 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 Dundee 2 1 1 0 1 0 1 0 St.J’stone 1 1 0 0 2 1 1 0 TOTALS 8 3 2 3 7 1 5 1 OUR GAMES POST-SPLIT? HOME St. Johnstone Kilmarnock AWAY Hearts Ross County Dundee I think Hearts are safe and that St Johnstone now are too far adrift and will finish in the automatic relegation place. However, the play-off place is still up for grabs and any of the remaining 4 teams could still end up there. Everything being equal, I think we will need at least another 4 points to avoid it. Now where these will come from I’ve no idea but it would be best if we managed to get them as quickly as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 I have no idea why people are talking as if we're the worst team in the league. Where will the four points come from? Who would be all that surprised if we beat St Johnstone at home, drew with Killie at home (securing the four points needed) and then went on to draw away with a poor Hearts team who really have nothing left to play for, and grab another point or three against either County or Dundee away? We can get four points from that lot without much bother. I fully expect us to finish 8th or 9th. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 Why do we need 4 points if you say Hearts are safe on 40? We got 39 points. We may not need 4 if others draw most of Their matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 Hearts have the best individual players but they do look a gutless bunch very much like us. it would take quite a feat for us not to win at least one game against teams equally as poor as us in the bottom six but if any team can go 5 games without a win it’s definitely us. st Johnstone, Ross county and Dundee worry me the most, they really put up a fight and we are so weak it’s embarrassing. id be hopeful of a win (at fir park ) against Killie and a point against gutless hearts. But who knows what’ll happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 Was speaking to a Killie fan yesterday who thinks they are rank rotten at the minute Id take either them or St Johnstone at home first game after the split, but of course winning against either of them is not guaranteed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted April 13 Author Report Share Posted April 13 13 minutes ago, robsterwood said: Why do we need 4 points if you say Hearts are safe on 40? We got 39 points. Jeez, here we go again. Why so adversarial mate? I did not say Hearts were safe ON 40 points. I said I thought Hearts would be safe. It was implied they would gain more points which would make them so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted April 13 Author Report Share Posted April 13 5 minutes ago, twistandshout1983 said: Was speaking to a Killie fan yesterday who thinks they are rank rotten at the minute Id take either them or St Johnstone at home first game after the split, but of course winning against either of them is not guaranteed Agreed. And as far as Killie are concerned, their form away from their plastic pitch is dreadful. They’ve only won 2 games away from home playing on grass and oddly enough against Hearts and Dundee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 26 minutes ago, El Grew said: Agreed. And as far as Killie are concerned, their form away from their plastic pitch is dreadful. They’ve only won 2 games away from home playing on grass and oddly enough against Hearts and Dundee. Killie definitely strike me as being a very strong home team in the last couple of years , and very poor on the road. Plastic pitch to their advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 58 minutes ago, David said: I have no idea why people are talking as if we're the worst team in the league. Where will the four points come from? Who would be all that surprised if we beat St Johnstone at home, drew with Killie at home (securing the four points needed) and then went on to draw away with a poor Hearts team who really have nothing left to play for, and grab another point or three against either County or Dundee away? We can get four points from that lot without much bother. I fully expect us to finish 8th or 9th. I agree. We will not be getting relegated this season. The psychology is interesting. There is a rather natural assumption that we are the poorest of the 6 simply because of our natural angst of a worst case scenario. Hearts are probably the best of the six and they were rotten yesterday. They could not raise themselves to a performance despite all that was at stake. After Hearts, we are in the best place. The table does not lie. Draws work nicely for us. The teams below need wins. Again our natural irrational brains would tell us that St Johnstone will never make up 5 points on Dundee yet we have the fear about Dundee making up 5 points on us. We are rotten. Of that there is no doubt. The teams around us are as bad if not worse. If they were not, they would be further up the league table. I can't help but think of the Butland goal/ no goal against Rangers. Had that been given as it should we would be as good as home and dry right now. Yes there will be a few anguish moments but we will be safe this year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 St Johnstone seem to be suffering from a number of defensive injuries (not as bad as us though) and Dundee fans moaning about their chances after today's crushing defeat in Leith. The exact post split fixture list will be influential in results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 5 hours ago, star sail said: I agree. We will not be getting relegated this season. The psychology is interesting. There is a rather natural assumption that we are the poorest of the 6 simply because of our natural angst of a worst case scenario. Hearts are probably the best of the six and they were rotten yesterday. They could not raise themselves to a performance despite all that was at stake. After Hearts, we are in the best place. The table does not lie. Draws work nicely for us. The teams below need wins. Again our natural irrational brains would tell us that St Johnstone will never make up 5 points on Dundee yet we have the fear about Dundee making up 5 points on us. We are rotten. Of that there is no doubt. The teams around us are as bad if not worse. If they were not, they would be further up the league table. I can't help but think of the Butland goal/ no goal against Rangers. Had that been given as it should we would be as good as home and dry right now. Yes there will be a few anguish moments but we will be safe this year. I sincerely hope this is the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 Yes we are 4/5 points ahead of the three below us. They also have to play each other, Barring losing all 5 games, there are not many combinations of results that see us 11th and we are not going to lose all 5. Kilmarnock are dog shit away from home. I can see us beating them and St J. Quite likely only a point will be needed to be safe but would like it to be comfortable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Just watched highlights against Hearts and although we didn't have shot at goal we had a few chances and matched Hearts. Think we be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 I really cant see us winning any games so we shall set up for draws to get us over the line however i have no faith in the defence and the forward attacking options are never getting us the goals we need should the shit hit the fan. Least its going to be a bit interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Maybe if Wimmer and the players spent less time writing platitudes of pish on social media and more time on the training ground, we wouldn’t be in this current mess. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 21 hours ago, El Grew said: How do folks think we will fare in our 5 games after the split? Current stats don’t make great reading. BOTTOM 6 Hearts 40 -1 Motherwell 39 -19 Kilmarnock 35 -20 Ross County 35 -23 Dundee 34 -21 St. Johnstone 29 -25 BOTTOM 6 WINS IN LAST 10 Hearts 5 wins (3H,2A) St J’stone 4 wins (3H,1A) Kilmarnock 3 wins (3H) Ross County 3 wins (2H,1A) Dundee 3 wins (2H,1A) Motherwell 2 wins (1H,1A) OUR RECORD V BOTTOM 5 HOME AWAY PWLD PWLD Hearts 2 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 K’arnock 1 0 0 1 2 0 1 1 Ross Cty 2 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 Dundee 2 1 1 0 1 0 1 0 St.J’stone 1 1 0 0 2 1 1 0 TOTALS 8 3 2 3 7 1 5 1 OUR GAMES POST-SPLIT? HOME St. Johnstone Kilmarnock AWAY Hearts Ross County Dundee I think Hearts are safe and that St Johnstone now are too far adrift and will finish in the automatic relegation place. However, the play-off place is still up for grabs and any of the remaining 4 teams could still end up there. Everything being equal, I think we will need at least another 4 points to avoid it. Now where these will come from I’ve no idea but it would be best if we managed to get them as quickly as possible. If StJ face Dundee first game after the split and beat them then they are within 2 points of Dundee. Too early to write StJ off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelllfan Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Should we not get 3 home games as we've only had 16 home games so far this season? Also regarding relegation talk we need to win probably 2 out of 5 to come 7/8th and win 1 to avoid the play off. If anyone in the bottom 6 wins 5/5 of their games I'd be surprised, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 42 points should be enough. If we had a striker that could score goals it would be a comfortable target. But if we had a striker that could score goals we wouldn't be in the bottom 6. I'd take 4 away games and Killie at home if it meant not having to play on that joke of a pitch again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 19 minutes ago, thewelllfan said: Should we not get 3 home games as we've only had 16 home games so far this season? Also regarding relegation talk we need to win probably 2 out of 5 to come 7/8th and win 1 to avoid the play off. If anyone in the bottom 6 wins 5/5 of their games I'd be surprised, Normally we should get 19 homes games but I think Hearts being in the bottom 6 will have a knock on effect as they would not have been factored to be in the bottom six when the 33 game campaign was being drawn up. https://spfl.co.uk/news/post-split-qa-season-202324#:~:text=All clubs play 16 or,at home and 19 away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 36 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Normally we should get 19 homes games but I think Hearts being in the bottom 6 will have a knock on effect as they would not have been factored to be in the bottom six when the 33 game campaign was being drawn up. https://spfl.co.uk/news/post-split-qa-season-202324#:~:text=All clubs play 16 or,at home and 19 away. I’d expect the club to be demanding 19 home games at the expense of Hearts as if I recall correctly, previously we’ve been the ones to lose out when we weren’t factored in to made top six. That shit should cut both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 We've been shafted again. Our final five fixtures of the season have now been announced. We will kick off our post-split schedule with a home match against St Johnstone on Saturday 26 April. We’ll travel to Dundee on Saturday 3 May, before we travel to Hearts on 10 May. We then take on Kilmarnock on in our final home match of the season on Wednesday 14 May and we will finish the 2024/25 season at Ross County on Sunday 18 May. Ticket details for all fixtures will be revealed in due course. Fixtures in full Motherwell v St Johnstone Dundee v Motherwell Hearts v Motherwell Motherwell v Kilmarnock Ross County v Motherwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Tough run as expected and St.Johnstone at FP on the 26th is ‘must win’ imo other wise we will be in the playoffs. Don’t expect us to get anything at Dens or Tynecastle and then it all comes down to the last two. Trouble is though that this squad just doesn’t look like it’s got a meaningful shot on target in them never mind a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 2 hours ago, wellfan said: Maybe if Wimmer and the players spent less time writing platitudes of pish on social media and more time on the training ground, we wouldn’t be in this current mess. That’s a club wide issue and has been for too long now. Far too much emphasis on social media and meaningless internet chatter and nowhere near enough on actually doing the business on the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 16 minutes ago, MJC said: Tough run as expected and St.Johnstone at FP on the 26th is ‘must win’ imo other wise we will be in the playoffs. Don’t expect us to get anything at Dens or Tynecastle and then it all comes down to the last two. Trouble is though that this squad just doesn’t look like it’s got a meaningful shot on target in them never mind a win. Definitely need to get a win in that first game to steady the ship. Whilst a defeat or a draw doesn’t condemn us to the play off spot it would erode confidence and press the panic button. I’m also hoping Hearts beat Dundee in that first round of fixtures. We have two weeks to get players healthy and prepare for this game. what’s that you say? “We don’t play well after a break”. AWE FUK!! 🙁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Didn't want St J first but it's done now. A win would be massive and put us in a good spot. COYW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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