grumpy Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 5 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: Who was keeper when we got beat 4-0 by accies with Lesley as interim coach. He’s hard to beat a worst keeper surely?? Dan Twardzik. I still think Gardner was worse, probably because he played more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 17 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: He was only in job for 7 months. Plus remember some of his signings? Kampman was a ‘strange’one. He wasn’t the worst but certainly wasn’t the best either. He was brought in on the back of McLeish bailing on us out of the blue and oversaw an entire clear out that summer. I’m sure Brian Martin, one of the players let go, was quite scathing of him after his departure, perhaps understandably, but was angry about how Kampman handled telling him that he wasn’t being kept on. He signed a lot of players in the summer of 98 and very few lasted the season but that also coincided with John Boyle coming in with Nevin as has already been said. It wasn’t a surprise when he left in the October of that season as it was clear that Boyle had his own ideas and vision for where he wanted the club to go and certainly came across ‘full on’ looking back. That a relatively unknown foreign manager who’d only been here a few months left pretty quickly wasn’t a huge shock, in my opinion. Plus the football we had been playing from the start of the season until Kampman’s departure was pretty awful and there were certainly doubts about where we were headed as a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 minute ago, AllyMax said: Yes, and he kept us up the season McLiesh left to go to Hibs when we were in danger of relegation. Not arguing that he signed some crap players, but probably no more than most other motherwell managers. He inherited a team containing some of the trash from the back end of McLiesh's tenure. He did also sign guys like Doesburg, who stayed with us long after Kampmann left. Not arguing he was a great manager for us, but he was a long way from being the worst. Can name at least 5 in my lifetime who were a lot worse. Fair do's bud,all about opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 15 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: Who was keeper when we got beat 4-0 by accies with Lesley as interim coach. He’s hard to beat a worst keeper surely?? Aaron Chapman? 😭 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 9 minutes ago, Mad Dog said: It was the Czech / German lad Dan Twardzik wasn't it? He actually wasn't a bad keeper, just only tall enough for 5-a-side goals. Actually I think his name was Chapman. twardzik was against the Iceland mob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, weeyin said: Watson's team was terrible - played 36, won 4... and I'm not sure how we managed that many wins. Although, to be fair, the slide started when Wallace was in charge. It did lead to wee Tommy taking over too, so it ended well. Yes, it ended well eventually but we struggled for quite a time before TM gradually sorted things out on a shoestring budget. IIRC there was one game in particular when ageing warhorse Andy Harrow was paired up front with baby-faced Andy Walker, so short we were of suitable players. There was a lot of discontent from the fans at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: Aaron Chapman? 😭 He was full of mince!! 😜😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: Aaron Chapman? 😭 He was offal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 4 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: He was offal Take a bow sir..... classic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, grumpy said: John Gardner is the worst keeper in Motherwell history. Fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 minute ago, weeyin said: Fact Said it before but Scottish cup replay 1987.......nuff said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 6 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Said it before but Scottish cup replay 1987.......nuff said Still having flashbacks about that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 minute ago, weeyin said: Still having flashbacks about that one Sorry pal..,..I probably haven't helped 😜😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, grumpy said: I still think Gardner was worse, probably because he played more. Agreed Sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 It be easy to say Malpas but to add a bit of debate I will say McLeish. Some fantastic football in the season after Tommy Mclean left but bit by bit he managed to destroy that team. Also wasted monies others did not have on Roddie, McSkimming. etc. Ultimately he destroyed Tommys team. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 4 minutes ago, wunderwell said: It be easy to say Malpas but to add a bit of debate I will say McLeish. Some fantastic football in the season after Tommy Mclean left but bit by bit he managed to destroy that team. Also wasted monies others did not have on Roddie, McSkimming. etc. Ultimately he destroyed Tommys team. Agree 100% Malpas was awful to watch but your right McLeish systemically ruined what took years to build Before doing the same at a host of other clubs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, wunderwell said: It be easy to say Malpas but to add a bit of debate I will say McLeish. Some fantastic football in the season after Tommy Mclean left but bit by bit he managed to destroy that team. Also wasted monies others did not have on Roddie, McSkimming. etc. Ultimately he destroyed Tommys team. 100% Agree mate. McLiesh bought Roddie (a left winger) before he'd even put his foot in the door. Why do that when you have the best attacking left back in Scotland at the time ? First mistake and he only went downhill from there. Bought some amount of shite and made some terrible deals along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, wunderwell said: It be easy to say Malpas but to add a bit of debate I will say McLeish. Some fantastic football in the season after Tommy Mclean left but bit by bit he managed to destroy that team. Also wasted monies others did not have on Roddie, McSkimming. etc. Ultimately he destroyed Tommys team. Unfortunately, the record books show McLeish's team finished 2nd and McLean's 3rd. Doesn't begin to tell the real story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambo97 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, bobbybingo said: Unfortunately, the record books show McLeish's team finished 2nd and McLean's 3rd. Doesn't begin to tell the real story. The thing is if they had changed from 2 points for a win to 3 points a year earlier, McLean would also have been second. A year later and McLeish's team would have been 3rd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 9 hours ago, bobbybingo said: Unfortunately, the record books show McLeish's team finished 2nd and McLean's 3rd. Doesn't begin to tell the real story. We certainly came closer to winning the league under Wee Tommy than we did with McLeish regardless of the final positions. Probably the closest we will ever come in my lifetime. But some of the football we played under McLeish that first season was exceptional. Dortmund away was different class. Crazy to see how trajectories have changed since then. He was a good coach / man manager but by god he wasted a shit load of money tearing up a very good team. Not the worst manager, but nowhere near the best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 17 hours ago, Yoshi-1991 said: Its quite mad that not only is he getting away with that stat, but there's folk that actually think it's OK. Feels like an episode of the twilight zone. The only stats that matter are those that show we've won four, and drawn nine in 22 games, and sit 9th in the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 13 hours ago, grizzlyg said: Said it before but Scottish cup replay 1987.......nuff said I assume the confused remark was from someone who wasn't at that game. Believe you me it was a howler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan91 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Malpas and Aaron Chapman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellup83 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 13 hours ago, wellsince75 said: McLeish systemically ruined what took years to build He did sign cult hero Shivute. Give the guy some credit. 😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 11 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: I assume the confused remark was from someone who wasn't at that game. Believe you me it was a howler Far from the worst result I've ever seen, but could well have been the angriest I've ever felt at the end of a game. Probably just put the tin lid on his list of cock-ups for me - obviously did for McLean. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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