numpty Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Yup. Hard to disagree with anything he's written. Perhaps could have mentioned in passing that we were told it would suffer a bit in its first winter, but that surely doesn't account for the mess it's in now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Official Statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postiejim Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 What's wrong with that article? It is 100% correct as far as I can see. Did you write it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Yup. Hard to disagree with anything he's written. Perhaps could have mentioned in passing that we were told it would suffer a bit in its first winter, but that surely doesn't account for the mess it's in now. I disagree. I think we all know this winter was an exception to the norm and it's clearly had a major impact on the pitch. The fact this guy can say "This time there can be no excuses." in one paragraph and "Perhaps they are blameless and circumstances were out of their control" in another makes me think it's not exactly the most informed article and rather just another chance for someone to jump on the bandwagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 I still don't understand why St Mirren aren't having the same problems we are. Different location, different type of grass, different drainage system, could be any number of reasons. The club doubtless deserves a lot of the criticism they're getting over this, but just making direct comparisons to other pitches is rather over-simplifying things, I suspect. If a pitch identical to St.Mirren's had been identically laid and looked after at Fir Park, I'm sure you would still see differences between the two at this stage of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Different location, different type of grass, different drainage system, could be any number of reasons. The club doubtless deserves a lot of the criticism they're getting over this, but just making direct comparisons to other pitches is rather over-simplifying things, I suspect. If a pitch identical to St.Mirren's had been identically laid and looked after at Fir Park, I'm sure you would still see differences between the two at this stage of the season. It could be, but is it? The club are drawing comparisons to other clubs in their official statement. So we can only do that if it suits us? The main reasons I have seen for our pitch being dreadful is because it is new and the weather has been terrible. Weather in Paisley hasn't been great either and they PLAYED matches on the park throughout the bad spell. Furthermore their pitch is only about 6/7 months older than ours. They should, by the criteria I listed above, have been experiencing similar issues surely? Also exactly how many different ways is there to lay and look after a football pitch which is used at a pro level? If we aren't doing the same thing that St Mirren is doing we bloody well better start now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Also exactly how many different ways is there to lay and look after a football pitch which is used at a pro level? If we aren't doing the same thing that St Mirren is doing we bloody well better start now.Different soil, different weather, different starting point (St. Mirren started from scratch). EDIT: Mind you, not driving a tractor over it might have made a wee bit of difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decorator Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 we are taking 3 points on it so what seem's to be the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Different soil, different weather, different starting point (St. Mirren started from scratch). EDIT: Mind you, not driving a tractor over it might have made a wee bit of difference. I don't think we've go many outs and I'm really fed up with us playing the 'poor us' card. We've got to be more in control of our own destiny However in defence vs St Mirren - their pitch was in place way before they started playing on it - it was in place while they we're fitting out the stands - so they have more than a few months on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherwell Football Club Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Its funny how amateur and junior teams manage to play good football on shite pitches rather consistantly and professionals become shite as soon as theres a lump out the grass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East_Stand_Al Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Well done to the club for finally putting out a statement loving the comment from Leeanne “We completely understand the criticism of our pitch and share the frustration. However I hope that all fair-minded people can see we have taken every possible action to solve the problems of last year. (Translation We know it looks shit but really its fixed ) “The reality of our climate and the time of year we play the games has made it impossible for our new pitch to bed down. We are consulting with Greentech about what actions we, and they, should now undertake. We will keep the Scottish Premier League fully updated on our situation. “Given the facts and the reality of our efforts I would appeal to fans of all clubs to bear with us and for commentators who lead public opinion to contact us to understand the situation so that their comments may be informed.” (To the Daily Ranger and the H*n so called newspapers gie it a rest if you have issues talk to us first why dont you all just shut the fuck up about the pitch we need to play on it too) You can bet yer arse that the tabloid press will either ignore this totally or twist it to suit their own ends. As someone as pointed out earlier we're getting results on it so GIRFUY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 I don't think we've go many outs and I'm really fed up with us playing the 'poor us' card. We've got to be more in control of our own destiny However in defence vs St Mirren - their pitch was in place way before they started playing on it - it was in place while they we're fitting out the stands - so they have more than a few months on us. To paraphrase the GM, I try to stay "fair minded" in these circumstances and I agree that is a very valid point to counter my argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Its funny how amateur and junior teams manage to play good football on shite pitches rather consistantly and professionals become shite as soon as theres a lump out the grass. I've yet to see a Junior team play good football let alone an amateur one. Entertaining definitely, but good? no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc123 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Watching the match on ESPN just now ....... wonder if the media will focus on the state of the pitch the same way that they did at Fir Park. Pittodrie is as bad if not worse than Fir Park .... it appears to be cutting up a lot more....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghorn Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Just beat me to it 123 wait until the end but the area on tha camera side in front of where we usually are based looks shite. Not much grass on it. Bet Ewan Cameron misses this on his show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 i always thought be against a plastic pitch but after watching red bull salzburg vs lazio i think they could the way forward. if we could get something equivalent to that i'd be quite happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geedub Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Ours is way worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East_Stand_Al Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Are Sheep not meant to be good for the grass ? Maybe they could spread some of the shite mutley has been spouting to help it grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deaddogman Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Statement now on official site. Had to happen and probably timed just right as there will be major comments on it tomorrow. "Given the facts and the reality of our efforts I would appeal to fans of all clubs to bear with us and for commentators who lead public opinion to contact us to understand the situation so that their comments may be informed." That sadly isn't going to happen. I still don't understand why St Mirren aren't having the same problems we are. Ours is way worse Have you all not paid attention to the fact that we totally renewed the pitch in the summer,new grass and all, then we have the severest winter in years, ush working perfectly, drainage working perfectly, snow covers absulutely necessary unfortunately, the length of time the covers lay on the grass all but killed the new grass. Our pitch was laid in the summer and the winter hit just 5 months later! Other pitches have suffered a modicum of damage but none as severe as ours. If our pitch was renewed two years or so ago and the SPL clubs renewed theirs in the summer then ours would be in a far superior state. I'm willing to wager that we will have the best surface in Scotland. St Mirrens pitch is now in it's 2nd or 3rd year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siebsbarmyarmy Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Have you all not paid attention to the fact that we totally renewed the pitch in the summer,new grass and all, then we have the severest winter in years, ush working perfectly, drainage working perfectly, snow covers absulutely necessary unfortunately, the length of time the covers lay on the grass all but killed the new grass. Our pitch was laid in the summer and the winter hit just 5 months later! Other pitches have suffered a modicum of damage but none as severe as ours. If our pitch was renewed two years or so ago and the SPL clubs renewed theirs in the summer then ours would be in a far superior state. I'm willing to wager that we will have the best surface in Scotland. St Mirrens pitch is now in it's 2nd or 3rd year! Plus the difference with St Mirren is that they grew their pitch. It wasnt laid turf, it was a grown grass pitch. Big massive difference. The grass is knit when growing and not having to knit together like ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Correct me if I'm wrong or have missed something, but ours was also grown from seed until the horrendous patch up job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 You are deluding yourself if you think Aberdeen's pitch is anywhere near as bad as ours. Plus they do not have the previous we do. We deserve all the criticism we get about the pitch. Just cos we were forced to spend a few bob on it in the summer does not make up for years of neglect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Correct me if I'm wrong or have missed something, but ours was also grown from seed until the horrendous patch up job? Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Random caller hammering us again on the Radio Scotland phone in. Traynor wants Neil Doncaster to sort us out once and for all. He also suggested that we play all our games away from home until our pitch is sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siebsbarmyarmy Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Your right lads, I'm wrong, thought ours was laid turf. St Mirren grew there pitch from the moment they started building there stadium think it had over a year to grow and knit together. Ours had what, 2/3 months tops. Not enough time at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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