postiejim Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Celtic's performance was a joy to behold today and typified everything about what makes that football club so special in the world of football. They play football, that's the Celtic way and do it in the way it should be done. The Brazil of Scottish Football and that's why I have always had a soft spot for them. It was absolutely no shame to lose to them today. I smell shite Celtic shite at that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trafficlight Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 the urge is too great must not mention Man.Utd Absolutely. It's always been so, and England is no different. If Motherwell ever play at Old Trafford, you just try getting a penalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky79 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 I am seriously concerned about loss of ruddy and juskiewicz in january. The honeymoon is over I thought we were basically terrible yesterday and have doubts over Gannon's temprement and ability to manage professional footballers. Hoping this sticky patch is just that and things will pick up again soon. there were some positives yesterday but greatly outnumbered by factors concerning me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trafficlight Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 It's early days for a very young team, Malky, and there will be days when they come up against more experienced professionals and better players. Yesterday was such a day, but the team will grow together and improve together. Gannon has them playing good, passing football - no route one nonsesne - and knows where he wants to get to. It won't happen overnight and this is the beginning of the project, but the signs are good and the team is in the top half of the table. Yes, he'll need to hang on to his better players, yet every game is a learning process for such a young side. There are some promising players in that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 How are they going to do that? Today was one of our biggest home games of the season and there was just over 7,000 at the match. The corresponding fixture 5 years ago had 11,000. Both OF games have failed to clear the 10,000 mark and other than that we've only had ONE 5,000+ attendance against Hibs (5,221) all season. That's 12 home matches this season and THREE 5,000+ crowds. Our crowds have been dire this season. Here's the 8 home league match attendance aggregates and a comparison with the corresponding 8 fixtures from the last two seasons... 09/10 - 45,903 08/09 - 47,038 07/08 - 52,711 We could probably bring two players on that lost revenue of about £150,000. If the trend continues we might be £300,000 down on turnstile money over the season. You are quite right Ya Bezzer, but in truth it is not just a Motherwell problem. A combination of crap weather, televised game, state of the economy and time of year all played it's part. Aberdeen had under 10,000 for yesterday's game and there were 44,000 at Ibrox when normally there would be 50,000. Even a Parkhead recently there were 42,000 for a league game when they used to get 58,000+. Looking at those figures I actually thought our attendances would have shown a greater decline on 07/08. Of course it will be hurting us as will the decline in corporate hospitality, although I do believe bar takings/profitability are up substantially since they brought Doogie back into the fold. It is maybe just as well we have taken in £1.5- £2m since this time last year - £400k for Porter, £800k+ for Quinn and Clarkson, £250k compo for McGhee and Leitch and approx £250K for Uefa cup run. Without that I don't doubt we would be struggling big time. As it is, it probably means we are probably just keeping our head above water. Just wish a few more fans would turn up to cheer the boys on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky79 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 <br />It's early days for a very young team, Malky, and there will be days when they come up against more experienced professionals and better players. Yesterday was such a day, but the team will grow together and improve together. Gannon has them playing good, passing football - no route one nonsesne - and knows where he wants to get to. It won't happen overnight and this is the beginning of the project, but the signs are good and the team is in the top half of the table. Yes, he'll need to hang on to his better players, yet every game is a learning process for such a young side. There are some promising players in that team.<br /><br /><br /><br /> Don't have time to go into detail but I'm watching a team going backwards rather than progressing. Ups and downs I expect but come january we could be having to adapt to likely loss of likes of Ruddy and Juskiewicz and I get the feeling that Gannon's man management and handling of senior players is questionable at best, on top of aggravating the referees when we largely been getting rub of the green(albeit he isn't wrong about how bad they are) I'm seeing a difficult 2nd half of season that isn't goingto build on what seemed a highly promising start. And in a season of arguably seriously mediocre quality it is looking like a big opportunity lost. Could well be wrong and things will turn again but I'm sceptical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Reading the posts on here always seems to be one extreme to another. How anyone can say we are in a terrible state on and off the pitch beggars belief. We are going through a tough run of fixtures right now against the top half of the table and DDee, Hibs, Celtic and Gers all have much stronger squads than we have. Time to judge is when we have played a full second round of fixtures. We will not finish in the top 4 but if we are still in the top 6 of the SPL and in the Sc Cup I will be more than satisfied. Funny how at the start of the season most if not all fans would have been happy with a top 6 finish and avoiding a battle against relegation. Not saying that will happen but we are still 5th in the SPL. That said I was puzzled with the subs yesterday - I now know that jennings had cramp - as I would have taken meechan off and then put on Sutton and NOT Pollok, just as he would have given us an aerial threat if nothing else. As for O'Brien not even being on the bench. I would like to know what is going on........it certainly looks as if he is off at Xmas. As long as we get a decent wedge and it is not a fire sale....just a shame as when on form he si the one player that can open up a defence and create huge problems. Celtic won comfortably at the end of the day and the scoreline perhaps flattered us a little, but you cannot ignore the fact that Celtic are still oen of the biggest clubs in world football and can bring on a £4m striker when we bring on a 17 year old. It is not all doom and gloom - A reality check is what is needed here!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 As for O'Brien not even being on the bench. I would like to know what is going on........it certainly looks as if he is off at Xmas. As long as we get a decent wedge and it is not a fire sale....just a shame as when on form he si the one player that can open up a defence and create huge problems. ? One and the same? I'd love to see this Jim O'Brien playing in claret and amber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Don't have time to go into detail but I'm watching a team going backwards rather than progressing. Ups and downs I expect but come january we could be having to adapt to likely loss of likes of Ruddy and Juskiewicz Glenn Roeder was in the main stand yesterday and he mentioned that he knew Big Lukas well and that Lukas was more than happy to stay at Motherwell till the end of the season. As for Ruddy. I believe he will stay unless someone comes in with a cash bid to Everton during the January transfer window. The problem with that is that with each passing week this looks a more likely scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trafficlight Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 <br /><br /><br /> Don't have time to go into detail but I'm watching a team going backwards rather than progressing. Ups and downs I expect but come january we could be having to adapt to likely loss of likes of Ruddy and Juskiewicz and I get the feeling that Gannon's man management and handling of senior players is questionable at best, on top of aggravating the referees when we largely been getting rub of the green(albeit he isn't wrong about how bad they are) I'm seeing a difficult 2nd half of season that isn't goingto build on what seemed a highly promising start. And in a season of arguably seriously mediocre quality it is looking like a big opportunity lost. Could well be wrong and things will turn again but I'm sceptical. You know much more about your team than I do, and I'm not qualified to question anybody who sees what's happening week in and week out. I can only comment on what I see personally, what I read, and from the league table. I would say Gannon is in the very early days of his tenure with a very young team, and that he's been brave with his selections and philosophy. Look at the state the squad was in when he arrived. It might be two steps forward and one step back at times, but from my own limited knowledge I rate Gannon highly. A top six finish is realistic and if he can keep his team together and improve it with new signings, the future looks good. The best is yet to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 ? One and the same? I'd love to see this Jim O'Brien playing in claret and amber. You have........... Penalty at Dundee Utd, Penalty at Hamilton - many players sent off (not that this has a positive impact!!) for persistent fouling of him. I am not saying he has done this week in week out, but if you seriously believe losing O'Brien will not weaken the team..mmmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 You know much more about your team than I do, and I'm not qualified to question anybody who sees what's happening week in and week out. I can only comment on what I see personally, what I read, and from the league table. I would say Gannon is in the very early days of his tenure with a very young team, and that he's been brave with his selections and philosophy. Look at the state the squad was in when he arrived. It might be two steps forward and one step back at times, but from my own limited knowledge I rate Gannon highly. A top six finish is realistic and if he can keep his team together and improve it with new signings, the future looks good. The best is yet to come. TBH Trafficlight I think that is how most semi optimistic Well fans would summarise the season so far. But there are those on this board who would moan were we top of the SPL table and in the last 16 of the champions league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trafficlight Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 TBH Trafficlight I think that is how most semi optimistic Well fans would summarise the season so far. But there are those on this board who would moan were we top of the SPL table and in the last 16 of the champions league I don't think Malky was moaning, mate, just expressing his fears of what may happen if some of the key loan signings leave. But they are Gannon's loan signings and he's shown he can spot a player by taking them. If they leave, I think he has the ability to replace them. The squad he inherited was tiny and many were tipping Motherwell for a relegation fight. We're now almost at Christmas and that looks very remote. Gannon has dropped some long established players for youngsters he has faith in. He has a vision, and on balance and from my own limited perspective , I think he's on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEWELL Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Yes our manager's a unique character his interviews are something else. . I like him and what he's trying to do at he Ark why not give the young un's a chance and i think he could've unearthed 2 diamonds in McHugh and Meehan. On the negative side i have to say we took a bigger pummelling that 2nd half than one of Tiger Wood's women. . This'll be an interesting season for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightdodgyman Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 What was the boy in the east going off his nut at Fox for? Christ, calm doon mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky79 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 <br />TBH Trafficlight I think that is how most semi optimistic Well fans would summarise the season so far. But there are those on this board who would moan were we top of the SPL table and in the last 16 of the champions league <img src="style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Can guarantee I wouldn't be having a moan if that were the case, well unless we'd resigned Bob Malcolm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellarmy Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 What was the boy in the east going off his nut at Fox for? Christ, calm doon mate. Dunno if its the same the guy but there was a guy referring to Boruc as a "polish bastard". Think he was forgetting our best striker at the moment is also Polish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Dunno if its the same the guy but there was a guy referring to Boruc as a "polish bastard". Think he was forgetting our best striker at the moment is also Polish Aye but he's no a bastard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Aye but he's no a bastard And he's not polish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Onthefringes Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 You have........... Penalty at Dundee Utd, Penalty at Hamilton - many players sent off (not that this has a positive impact!!) for persistent fouling of him. I am not saying he has done this week in week out, but if you seriously believe losing O'Brien will not weaken the team..mmmmmmmm Again ? So by your reckoning he's contributed to the winning of two spot kicks, one securing points at Tannadice and the other missed (you can get your hand on the dummy with another at St Midden). His wing wizardry has opposing players sent off which you agree we then fail to capitalise on. So where does he had the strength to our team? Vivid dreams, the Jim O'Brien that you and others get all misty eyed over is a MYTH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 I think Jim O'Briens good form at the start of the season was the main reason for our early success. IMO he was by far our most dangerous player in many a match and contributed directly to many of our goals. Everything good usually went through him. I think his form, like many in the team,h as dipped badly but who knows he may have returned to his best given the opportunity. Looks like that's no gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Again ? So by your reckoning he's contributed to the winning of two spot kicks, one securing points at Tannadice and the other missed (you can get your hand on the dummy with another at St Midden). His wing wizardry has opposing players sent off which you agree we then fail to capitalise on. So where does he had the strength to our team? Vivid dreams, the Jim O'Brien that you and others get all misty eyed over is a MYTH. So what exactly is your point.......... It is hardly his (individual) fault that the team were not able to capitalise on the occasions that the opposing team were a man or two down or because Forbes missed a penalty v Hamilton - all of these key turning points you seem to agree were down to Jim O'Brien. Were he not in the team we would not have had all these opportunities. END OF. I do not have him down as some magician that is the saviour of the team, merely as a decent, creative player who will be a loss should he leave at Xmas. And it is my opinion that that is closer to the belief of most Well fans. Or perhaps they share your views that he is largely a waste of space and will not be missed at all. Time will tell who is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 i'd still have him in the team or at least the squad because we've got so little depth and he's the only real option at left mid in a 4-4-2. however when a players best quality is that he gets fouled a lot then he's hardly going to be difficult to replace. we might not be able to find a more skillful replacement but it won't be difficult to find someone who's better at defending, shooting and crossing. having said that i don't think i'd ever fault his effort when he's been on the park for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 So what exactly is your point.......... It is hardly his (individual) fault that the team were not able to capitalise on the occasions that the opposing team were a man or two down or because Forbes missed a penalty v Hamilton - all of these key turning points you seem to agree were down to Jim O'Brien. Were he not in the team we would not have had all these opportunities. END OF. I do not have him down as some magician that is the saviour of the team, merely as a decent, creative player who will be a loss should he leave at Xmas. And it is my opinion that that is closer to the belief of most Well fans. Or perhaps they share your views that he is largely a waste of space and will not be missed at all. Time will tell who is right. And for a third time ? My point? Shamelessly taking an odd quote from this and another thread... We're now approximately 18 months into his contract, he barely featured in his first six as the then manager had him down as a chump. Much lauded performances by the usual suspects, when in reality a good game is hitting a shot within a foot past the post or winning a foul speaks volumes. Decent creative player? As steelboy posted above "when a players best quality is that he gets fouled a lot then he's hardly going to be difficult to replace". Goal scoring and assist records are there for all to see (entire career if you need further convincing) Stands up against these mythical matches where he's been terrorising opposition defences. FACT. Recent team formations - Was he missed? Doubt it! Jamie Murphy has offered a lot, lot more going forward. As for your closing statements... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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