clembo Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I've been hearing that some club reps have been in talks with the council about getting a new stadium built on the old Ravenscraig site. McGhee was talking about it in the Wishaw Press, but there's comments due from the council leaders tomorrow at 9am. They're saying it's all early doors yet, but there have been some meetings about it. www.wishawpress.co.uk/wishaw-sport/football/motherwell-fc/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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du_du_dubordeaux Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Just read the whole thread there and am interested in many of the points which have been brought up. I have a bad feeling that the college will be the only thing up at RC for a long while to come. I remember hearing not that long back that corus (one of the main bodies pumping money into this) are facing financial hardship (as are many companies at this point in time) and obv this will lead to cost cutting and possibly even a stalling of the development. This, paired with the fact that NLC are useless when it comes to initiative (as can be seen from our surrounding councils) doesnt make good reading. 10 - 12 years ago the motherwell times had the new motherwell shopping centre plastered on the front of its pages. Scottish Labour were going to see us ok, we'd have the ravenscraig finished by 2008, and a eurostar service from... eurocentral Where are we now? still in the same place we were ten fucking years ago I am in favour of a move to ravenscraig, however, I am only in favour of a move to "the ravenscraig masterplan complete with railways, shopping centres, rollercoasters and honeymoon breaks with a sea view" and no the craigneuk annex. If we move up there in the next 3 years and theres still fuck all built (which I wouldnt be surprised at) then we end up with a stadium in the middle ae a desert with no transport, no houses, no pubs/restraunts, no people, nothing. So maybe the time is not right to move, unless somewhere else in motherwell can be flattened. This has become more a thread about the mystery that is "ravenscraig" rather than the facilities we would want, but a few interesting points made. Also to the poster who mentioned about the dual carriageway being built over the west coast main line. I heard about this a good few years back and tried to find documentation on it but couldnt. It makes sense, but i'd be interested to see the plans for this if you know where a could find them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Also to the poster who mentioned about the dual carriageway being built over the west coast main line. I heard about this a good few years back and tried to find documentation on it but couldnt. It makes sense, but i'd be interested to see the plans for this if you know where a could find them. I kid you not. I'm sure it was from a handout given to residents in that locale, I'd have to check back though. Have seen similar drawings and railway plans (where I come in) to verify also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 I have a bad feeling that the college will be the only thing up at RC for a long while to come. I remember hearing not that long back that corus (one of the main bodies pumping money into this) are facing financial hardship (as are many companies at this point in time) and obv this will lead to cost cutting and possibly even a stalling of the development. There are 2 main bodies providing the funding for Ravenscraig - NLC and Scottish Enterprise. There are a number of other private developers for various parts of the Craig. The main public sector funding for projects will happen in the next 3-4 years and will involve a number of community facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 I have a bad feeling that the college will be the only thing up at RC for a long while to come. I think work on the new sports facility will commence this year, as will the BRE housng development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special aka Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 The largest brownfield site of its kind in Europe, embrace it, and please, please let the board tap into its resources. Well said that man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special aka Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Motherwell's from Roman Road to Fir Park pre 1932? Celtic from the first Celtic Park to Parkhead in 1892? Dundee's gravitation from Carolina Park towards Dens Park pre 1962? Hearts' move from Powburn to Powderhall then the first Tynecastle before becoming Scottish Champions on several occasions at the present Tynecastle? Hibs' move from Bothwell Street to Easter Road in 1893 a decade before they first won the championship in 1903. Indeed only Dundee Utd would support your comment that successful clubs have not moved grounds. good points mate, and to further substantiate your counterstatement to Ya Beezer's claims; Dundee Utd moved from Clepington Park to Tannadice Park then became part of the New Firm winning the League Cup twice, League Championship, UEFA Cup runners-up, European Cup semi-finalists and Scottish Cup winners ................... very unsuccessful eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 How many of them moved to a new town though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special aka Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 I kid you not. I'm sure it was from a handout given to residents in that locale, I'd have to check back though. Have seen similar drawings and railway plans (where I come in) to verify also. Remember seeing it on plans also. Over the Railway behind South Dalzell church, (which will be demolished to make way for connection with road at Halfords roundabout). + just look how close FP is to a potential site just behind the Dalziel Plate Mill A new home approx 1/2 mile from our old one in the shadow of a steelworks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambo97 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 I think work on the new sports facility will commence this year, as will the BRE housng development. What is BRE housing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niall Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 behind South Dalzell church, (which will be demolished to make way for connection with road at Halfords roundabout). It won't, South Dalziel (which technically should be referred to as the Orbiston Street Buildings of Motherwell south...) is a listed building. Part of Ian Skelly's will be demolished and the roundabout shifted east slightly.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWilson (Anchorman) Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Remember seeing it on plans also. Over the Railway behind South Dalzell church, (which will be demolished to make way for connection with road at Halfords roundabout). + just look how close FP is to a potential site just behind the Dalziel Plate Mill A new home approx 1/2 mile from our old one in the shadow of a steelworks There's already a railway bridge there. Don't know if it's visible from Orbiston St, but it is from the other side. Would obviously require a fair bit of work though. Yer bang on big man... Would be a great location, and there's enough Well fans in Dalzell to fill the whole of the south roof of the Mill! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishyWell Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 I think work on the new sports facility will commence this year, as will the BRE housng development. I know the talks about a stadium move are at an early stage, but there is a big push at the club to relocate the youth facilities to Ravenscraig. The new signings for the youth system were told at the start of the season that the intention was to move to a youth academy, including a full-size indoor pitch, within two years. I also heard that the land has been agreed and they are just waiting for the funding to be in place. If we had won through against Nancy, the money we would have been guaranteed for that was earmarked for the Youth Academy and work would have started the day after the game. Although it in no way is certain that one would follow the other, if there is a Youth Academy there, it's not too hard to imagine that it would be a first step towards a stadium move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
du_du_dubordeaux Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 where abouts do the current youth set up train? Also, how much do new training facilities cost these days? Think st mirren will benefit a great deal from having their own place to train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special aka Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 How many of them moved to a new town though Och MJ, I love you dearly (and we do go back a hell of long way), but it's time you changed the record please. The politicians may have craved the New Town status to ensure euro funding, but Ravenscraig lay within the old Burgh of Motherwell & Wishaw and always will be considered Motherwell IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 What is BRE housing? Building Research Establishment. Its a pilot "Green" housing project with features such as solar heating etc incorporated into the designs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special aka Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 ....... housing project with features such as solar heating etc incorporated into the designs. as should all new builds IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishyWell Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 where abouts do the current youth set up train? Also, how much do new training facilities cost these days? Think st mirren will benefit a great deal from having their own place to train. The younger age groups train on the astroturf at Fir Park, where the specialist goalkeeper-, defender-, midfielder- and striker-training is held also. I think the older age groups train there, too, or they may train on the grass at Dalziel Park. Home games are played at Fir Park astro, Wishaw Sports Centre and Dalziel Park. I suppose the cost of new training facilities depends on their scale and what they include, and they vary enormously from club to club, eg Rangers and Hearts youngsters train and play at the same facility as the first teams, Murray Park and Riccarton, whereas Celtic's still train at Barrowfield rather than Lennoxtown. I had heard that we would have been guaranteed £2m if we got through to the group stage of the UEFA Cup, and that this was earmarked for the new Youth Academy, but I don't know for sure if that is true or not or, indeed, if the whole £2m would have been used on the facility. Having said that, I can't imagine a full-sized indoor astrograss pitch would come cheap, and that's before you add in at least one grass pitch and changing facilities etc. The astroturf at Fir Park is getting fairly threadbare so, similar to the main stadium, the move to decent 21st Century facilities can't come quickly enough IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Och MJ, I love you dearly (and we do go back a hell of long way), but it's time you changed the record please. The politicians may have craved the New Town status to ensure euro funding, but Ravenscraig lay within the old Burgh of Motherwell & Wishaw and always will be considered Motherwell IMHO. Dress it up however you like but if we move to Ravenscraig we are effectively creating a franchise, the kind of which I've argued against countless times. It is going to be a new town, taking much needed investment away from my town, taking my fitba' cub with it will merely add salt to the wound as I see my town die through negligence of a council which is supposed to look after the interests of all it's citizens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuwell Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 ..............as I see my town die through negligence of a council which is supposed to look after the interests of all it's citizens. Did you have this same civic sense of right and wrong as you watched money being poured into Motherwell in the early 70's (new civic centre, new town centre and new road layout) at the expence of Wishaw, Carluke, Shotts etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Did you have this same civic sense of right and wrong as you watched money being poured into Motherwell in the early 70's (new civic centre, new town centre and new road layout) at the expence of Wishaw, Carluke, Shotts etc? I saw our town centre being destroyed if that's what you mean, kinda liked the old layout, certainly better than what we have now. If I had been old enough yes I probably would have been against it whilst others suffered if that's what happened, considering what we ended up with definitely so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special aka Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 But it's the long term future of MFC at stake MJ, and that don't look too rosey at a crumbling Ark. The state of Motherwell towncentre and lack of inward investment has been an issue for decades as politicians squandered £'s on jollies all over the place and paying folk for 25hr days................... yet they continue to get re-elected, so blame the electorate not the football club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 But it's the long term future of MFC at stake MJ, and that don't look too rosey at a crumbling Ark. The state of Motherwell towncentre and lack of inward investment has been an issue for decades as politicians squandered £'s on jollies all over the place and paying folk for 25hr days................... yet they continue to get re-elected, so blame the electorate not the football club. Well we're hardly likely to elect the Tories are we? Zero choice means we get monkeys continually voted in. Gave up on them fuckers yonks ago although good to see a couple of SNP cooncillors there now who I reckon nay know, can be trusted to do their best. Long term future of the club lies outwith the town? Not much of a choice there then either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky79 Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 I daresay no one is gonna change your mind re merits of moving to Ravenscraig. My own first choice would be a redeveloped Fir Park if it was at all possible. That doesn't seem to be the way the wind is blowing. Still when push comes to shove if and when Motherwell hitch a few hundred yard up the road to Ravenscraig will you not be following? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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