Yassin Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 I miss Dan Twardzik and the way his height decreased every time we lost. Think he was about 5'6 by the time he was dropped. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 Samson would struggle to make my top 5 worst keepers I have seen at Fir Park. And there is such a gap between the top two and the rest of the field, he barely even registers. 1) John Gardiner 2) Howard Samaroff Several lightyears 3) The pack Weeyin, I think we're of a similar age, but my recollection of Sameroff is that he played in 6 or 7 games at the end of a season and had something like 5 clean sheets. have I got that wrong ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 Sameroff wasn't great but we've had worse, far worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brainier Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 Weeyin, I think we're of a similar age, but my recollection of Sameroff is that he played in 6 or 7 games at the end of a season and had something like 5 clean sheets. have I got that wrong ??? See my earlier posts, three clean sheets from four games, conceded one goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shire Greats Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 Why do you think he only played 4 games? Think he had a business outside football(still does?), played in the juniors for a long time. I don't recall him being that poor either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackscat Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Think he had a business outside football(still does?), played in the juniors for a long time. I don't recall him being that poor eitherKirkintilloch Rob Roy if I remember correctly Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 I Never had the joys of seeing John Gardiner in action as he was well before my time, was he really rank rotten? I do remember seeing some highlights on YouTube where he dashed out his area when under no pressure which gave away a ludicrous goal, I assume this was the norm from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Gardiner is defined by the Scottish Cup Quarter Final replay in 1987 against Hearts. It wasn't quite 'Names on the Cup' stuff but there was a really strong feeling this was going to be our year. We'd beaten Partick, Hamilton at Douglas Park (who had beaten Rangers at Ibrox) and had seemingly done the hard bit by getting Hearts (who had knocked out Celtic) back to Fir Park after drawing with them at Tynecastle. So no Old Firm, no Aberdeen, if we'd got through no Hearts or HIbs. Unfortunately for Gardiner he was at fault for the late loss in the replay. It was a defeat that really hurt and he was never really forgiven for it by either the support or Tommy McLean. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Mark Caughey in the late 80's, was brutal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshillWell Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 John Davies. Shocking signing on all sorts of levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Other than the obvious nepotism, John Davies was one of the "did well against us so let's sign him, even though he only looked good because we were shite" brigade, along with kampmann and Neil Tarrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 As another fan of "A certain age", I wouldn't have Howard Samaroff anywhere near my list of worst 'Well keepers, in fact, if he hadn't been immediately renamed Howard Smirnoff I would barely remember him. John Gardner, on the other hand, still causes me to wake up in a cold sweat on a regular basis. Michael Fraser and Cammy Duncan would be well up my list though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmostFrazzled Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 I'm much the same, tbh. I thought both Ripley and Long (Long in particular) got off very lightly. Long was very poor, 180 minutes against Rangers aside, somehow managing to concede from a ball that was pretty much out of play in Paisley. Ripley made numerous mistakes, but said nice things on social media, so got a pass, for some reason. Hollis couldn't kick a ball, and was shite, Neilsen put more balls into the six yard box than any member of our team has this year, Twardzik oversaw one of our worst defeats against the Icelanders, with the ball literally going over his head, and also had a starring role in our cuffing by Dundee at Dens, Fraser was just shite, in every respect. Samson compared to them? He's not a massive step up from any of them, I'd probably put him bang in the middle as shite, but not nearly as shite as the rest. I'd pretty much agree with that word for word. Samson's shite, but not even close to the worst. Ripley dropped a few clangers but he swung on the bar and tweeted nice things so he is apparently allowed to be a bit pish. Dan Twardzik. Dan played 5 good games in a massively in-form team on emergency loan and was fucking chronic after that. The others are just a load of absolute bombscares. Was it Michael Fraser who dropped in 2 at Parkhead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgey Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 Brian Wright. He was in the midfield when I first started coming to fir park and my auld man developed a really irrational dislike for the big man. He used to rant about how he didn't even look like a footballer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The African Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Wright was what might be called an honest toiler or a journeyman. Never going to be a world beater but was a first team regular who was not even the worst player in the team at the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeboy Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I actually rated Ripley quite highly, yeah he dropped a few clangers but show me a young keeper who hasn't. Generally speaking, he was assured in just about every aspect of the position. The flipside of us getting young keepers like that is that their loan spell with us is probably going to be where they make their mistakes and get them out of their system. We were obviously spoiled with goalkeepers in terms of Ruddy and Randolph, but if you look at what the rest of the keepers have achieved/are achieving since their departure (Hollis, Nielsen, Twardzik, Long, Samson) then it's fair to say he's doing much better. This season he's got in league one team of the year, looks set to win the golden glove (with 17 clean sheets) and even saved two penalties in a game at one point. I'd have him back in a heartbeat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I actually rated Ripley quite highly, yeah he dropped a few clangers but show me a young keeper who hasn't. Generally speaking, he was assured in just about every aspect of the position. The flipside of us getting young keepers like that is that their loan spell with us is probably going to be where they make their mistakes and get them out of their system. We were obviously spoiled with goalkeepers in terms of Ruddy and Randolph, but if you look at what the rest of the keepers have achieved/are achieving since their departure (Hollis, Nielsen, Twardzik, Long, Samson) then it's fair to say he's doing much better. This season he's got in league one team of the year, looks set to win the golden glove (with 17 clean sheets) and even saved two penalties in a game at one point. I'd have him back in a heartbeat. I would agree with all that on Ripley. I know he had a few clangers but it was the first team in years we had a solid keeper. Even the young John Ruddy had a few stinkers but for best part he was a quality keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Even the young John Ruddy had a few stinkers but for best part he was a quality keeper. Ruddy was the most brilliant keeper I've seen in my years of going to Fir Park. However he was a tad mercurial. He could also drop the odd clanger. Darren Randolph wasn't quite as brilliant and his best wasn't as good as Ruddy's but his worst was better. He dropped fewer clangers and overall achieved a consistently higher standard. At our level both very, very good keepers but different. Ripley and Long were both decent but inexperienced custodians. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I remember Ruddy rushing out to make a clearance at the edge of the box and missing the ball completely, leaving a striker with a tap-in. Not at all saying he wasn't quality, but some people would have you believe neither him nor Randolph made massive mistakes. That one was worse that Woods gifting it to Durie, which still gets cast up 20 years later. Yeah there's context and previous performance etc etc...but it seems context is often used pretty selectively when examples are used to back up a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezz Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Ruddy was the most brilliant keeper I've seen in my years of going to Fir Park. However he was a tad mercurial. He could also drop the odd clanger. Darren Randolph wasn't quite as brilliant and his best wasn't as good as Ruddy's but his worst was better. He dropped fewer clangers and overall achieved a consistently higher standard. At our level both very, very good keepers but different. Ripley and Long were both decent but inexperienced custodians. Me and a mate have regular debates over who was the better keeper for us, Ruddy or Randolph. I agree with your summation that some of the saves Ruddy made defied belief but he was definitely more prone to a total clanger. Randolph was less prone to error and was more consistent but perhaps didn't have the potential for the same 'wow' factor when it came to making saves. For me, I'd have Randolph over Ruddy any day but no denying we were absolutely spoiled for those 4-5 years. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 The others are just a load of absolute bombscares. Was it Michael Fraser who dropped in 2 at Parkhead? It was. Reynolds put us a goal up and Fraser fucked us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I would agree with all that on Ripley. I know he had a few clangers but it was the first team in years we had a solid keeper. Even the young John Ruddy had a few stinkers but for best part he was a quality keeper. This post kind of sums everything up. Some keepers are allowed to have a 'few clangers' (like losing to Celtic by letting the ball trickle between your legs), while other goalkeepers get absolutely barracked if they punch a cross. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 It was. Reynolds put us a goal up and Fraser fucked us. Josh Thompson double. The game was also noticeable for Jim O'Brien breaking the land speed record to get Robbie Keane's shirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Gardiner is defined by the Scottish Cup Quarter Final replay in 1987 against Hearts. It wasn't quite 'Names on the Cup' stuff but there was a really strong feeling this was going to be our year. We'd beaten Partick, Hamilton at Douglas Park (who had beaten Rangers at Ibrox) and had seemingly done the hard bit by getting Hearts (who had knocked out Celtic) back to Fir Park after drawing with them at Tynecastle. So no Old Firm, no Aberdeen, if we'd got through no Hearts or HIbs. Unfortunately for Gardiner he was at fault for the late loss in the replay. It was a defeat that really hurt and he was never really forgiven for it by either the support or Tommy McLean. God! Thirty years ago now and I can still see the ball come back off his crossbar and one of the Hearts microbes bundle it in. As I recall, McLean was just about to bring on a striker in preparation for extra time and righteous victory. Thought I'd consigned it to oblivion but now it's back. Doesn't affect me, affect me, affect me, affect me..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Weirdly I have no real memories of John Gardiner even though it was within my time frame. I remember Cammy Duncan..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.