Motherwell Football Club Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 for me you either need a dominant goalie or 2 big centre halves that will be solid when the ball comes into the box.our defence isny the biggest so we definately need a big keeper for next season thats nothin against fraser who looks like a goalie that needs his centre halves to get the ball away rather than come for it himself.fraser was a bit shaky at times with cross balls and i thought he was a bit at fault for celtics second cause he sort of came for the cross and then stepped back.it was poor defending all round for both goals but you canny blame the keeper for defenders losing the guys they should be marking Hutchinson is a big defender surely? Jesus wisnae crucified on a corner. Thanks for clearing that up. Where have these other two goals from crosses come from then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan09 Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 depends, wat do you class as a big defender? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon_da_well Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 for me you either need a dominant goalie or 2 big centre halves that will be solid when the ball comes into the box.our defence isny the biggest so we definately need a big keeper for next season thats nothin against fraser who looks like a goalie that needs his centre halves to get the ball away rather than come for it himself.fraser was a bit shaky at times with cross balls and i thought he was a bit at fault for celtics second cause he sort of came for the cross and then stepped back.it was poor defending all round for both goals but you canny blame the keeper for defenders losing the guys they should be marking Why are you making a big deal over the size of the goalkeeper? Ruddy is 6'4. Casillas is 5'11. I know who I'd rather have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherwell Football Club Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 depends, wat do you class as a big defender? Someone who uses height and power to gain an advantage defensively as opposed to using speed an precise judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan09 Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Why are you making a big deal over the size of the goalkeeper? Ruddy is 6'4. Casillas is 5'11. I know who I'd rather have. ruddy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon_da_well Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 ruddy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherwell Football Club Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Implied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Why are you making a big deal over the size of the goalkeeper? Ruddy is 6'4. Casillas is 5'11. I know who I'd rather have. im no making a big deal about it mate i just think with the defence we have we would be better off having a goalkeeper thats about ruddys size.i still wouldny say no to casillas right enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherwell Football Club Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 im no making a big deal about it mate i just think with the defence we have we would be better off having a goalkeeper thats about ruddys size.i still wouldny say no to casillas right enough I don't even think it comes down to that mate. We just never seem organised at corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 I don't even think it comes down to that mate. We just never seem organised at corners. i agree with that mate weve always been pretty suspect at corners from as long as i can remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan09 Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Van Hout, Sign him up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon_da_well Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Yeah, I'd say the two keepers we have right now are very capable but for some reason our defence are shite at defending corners and freekicks. That's nothing new though, we were shite at it when Malpas was in charge and have been since. Bring back David Partridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturdaylover Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 i have to agree with the first post in this thread fraser cost us the game and it couldve been worse, every time the ball went high into the box he was flappin, smeltic saw his weakness and started just pumpin it in there every chance they got,anyone who doesnt agree should watch the replay of the game and the 2nd goal in particular and see him in no mans land it was shockin. that clown who scored 2 was a toss up with odea for the worst player on the park and hes made a c**t of us,granted the marking was pish but u need ur keeper from corners like that. the boys not bad at shot stoppin but a premier league goal keeper he aint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 He is murder. I don't think anything will convince me otherwise. The cross that he came for and punched almost leading to a goal would have been poor at any level. Guy is not good enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ankles Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 He was and is pish flaps like fuck at crosses,not solely to blame for goals but overall was all over the place when called into action.Just not good enough...simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 He was and is pish flaps like fuck at crosses,not solely to blame for goals but overall was all over the place when called into action.Just not good enough...simples Flaps like fuck? Here try these... Amateur punditry and those of the goalkeeping persuasion have a home here right enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturdaylover Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 i dont hate the guy or anythin just dont think he,s good enough for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroy Trusco Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 i dont hate the guy or anythin just dont think he,s good enough for us +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Ruddy would have come for both balls into the box that lead to goals and took them fairly easily, thats the difference. I was sitting in the Cock Stein Stand last night sticking out like a sore thumb amongst the odious cretins, absolutely bricking it every time they got a corner or got close to the bye-line because I had no faith what-so-ever in Fraser coming to take the cross. If/when Ruddy goes, we must get a new goalkeeper as a priority. The defence never covered themselves in glory at both goals but the goalkeeper was culpable to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturdaylover Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Ruddy would have come for both balls into the box that lead to goals and took them fairly easily, thats the difference. I was sitting in the Cock Stein Stand last night sticking out like a sore thumb amongst the odious cretins, absolutely bricking it every time they got a corner or got close to the bye-line because I had no faith what-so-ever in Fraser coming to take the cross. If/when Ruddy goes, we must get a new goalkeeper as a priority. The defence never covered themselves in glory at both goals but the goalkeeper was culpable to say the least. COULDNT AGREE MORE BROONY!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 While I've got to be honest and say that Fraser wouldn't have been anywhere near my first choice keeper at the time McGhee signed him - I don't think he let us down last night. yeah he's not as commanding as Ruddy - but he made some decent stops and is being blamed for goals that should have been prevented by outfield players (in typical steelmenonline - 'we all need a whipping boy and forbes & fitzpatrick wereny playin' stylee) Our wage structure, zero money and manager who may not be as good in the transfer market as the last yin mean that it's gonna be difficult to get another Ruddy. We might have to learn to get behind this guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottW1886 Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 There was a post some way back that stated that folk on here will defend a player no matter what, regardless of how that person performs. And likewise, those that will pillory a player no matter what their level of performance. That's spot on for me. Last night, Michael Fraser made a tremendous save from Robbie Keane. Credit to him. He then made a poor decision just seconds later which almost gifted Celtic a goal. Criticism for that is fair enough I reckon. Praise where it's due, and criticism where it's warranted. I thought he was poor for both of the goals last night to be honest, particularly the second, and looked suspect with the high balls coming his way for a spell. The defence must be aware of this though, and should be dealing with the high balls a lot better. But to say that he cost us the game is ludicrous. Our back five last night are what they are, none of them are particularly dominant at taking cross balls or dealing with them, and we'll always be under pressure from them. In that respect, I'd play Ruddy ahead of Fraser due to his physical presence. We'll never know if he'd have prevented either of the goals last night, but I suspect he would have. Conversely, Keane may have beaten Ruddy with that chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 He is murder. I don't think anything will convince me otherwise. The cross that he came for and punched almost leading to a goal would have been poor at any level. Guy is not good enough! +1. Anyone that rates Fraser knows fuck all about goalkeepers. Replacing Ruddy has to be the priority for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-pidge Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 i might be wrong here and apologies if i am wasesnt sieb good at both Sieb was 16 years ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 I see a couple of folk have praised him for the save against Robbie Keane. The truth is that the shot was pretty much at him and was as much down to poor finishing from Keane as it was a good save from Fraser. Having someone with the presence and physique of Ruddy this season has given us something which we've been lacking for a good couple of years. Fraser was signed as backup whenever Buzz hadn't confirmed if he was staying or not. He was signed as backup and I'm happy for him to stay at Fir Park in this capacity. Replacing Ruddy with a keeper of similar stature and presence as Ruddy isn't going to be an easy job but for me it has to be a priority during the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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