Ian-in-Oz Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 micheal kelly on newsnight :wank: celtic can't be allowed to win this, if they manage to get mcdonald or dallas sacked our game is fucked. McDonald should be sacked & nothing to do with Celtic. He's a lying Hibee twat & how he still gets to officiate at Easter Road is an absolute joke. Nothing wrong with making a mistake in a game coz i think he's still human but hold up your hands & say sorry guys my bad & move on. But not this twat he tried to weasel his way out by lying & blaming others & for that he should get fucked & then he can watch his beloved Hibs without worrying about pretending to be neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 i don't see the point in decisons being explained. you have to accept that a foul is given because a ref thinks it's a foul. if you go beyond that then you're just causing problems for no reason as the decision on the field is final. you'd also get arseholes trying to catch referees out and trick them into saying the wrong thing to cause controversy. why should dallas go? i also think mcdonald has been dealt with and that should be the end of it, i don't like the guy but he made one error which had zero consequences. was lennon kicked out of celtic for getting juanjo sent off? did reid resign for his lies about no shots fired, wmd's and dishonest expense claims?? did they fuck. celtic said they would ban the anti poppy protesters, what happened? fuck all. where's the honesty there. why should mcdonald be judged by a harsher standard than everyone else? scottish football is full of liars including our own manager. mcdonald and dallas have to be kept in place for reasons more important than either of them. celtic have to be shown that they are only one club and no more important than anyone else, if dallas and mcdonald are removed that will be a signal to them and the psycho's directing their fans online that intimidation works and they'll make life for anyone who doesn't bend over for them. the annoying thing here is that celtic have no power here. the other clubs in the spl could vote 11-1 against them to put tough new rules in place about the conduct of managers and officials. the sfa are the ultimate arbiters of football in this country and can do whatever they want, uefa will back them to the hilt and if celtic tried to go to a civil court they'd end up banned from european competition. there's nothing celtic can do apart from harass individuals via their phuppets in the media and by working their fans into a frenzy. instead of letting celtic away with constant insinuation they should be brought to hampden and ask to state any issues they have about conspiracies or whatever, after that they should be told tha they can abide by the rules or leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 McDonald should be sacked & nothing to do with Celtic. He's a lying Hibee twat & how he still gets to officiate at Easter Road is an absolute joke. Nothing wrong with making a mistake in a game coz i think he's still human but hold up your hands & say sorry guys my bad & move on. But not this twat he tried to weasel his way out by lying & blaming others & for that he should get fucked & then he can watch his beloved Hibs without worrying about pretending to be neutral. he didn't blame anyone else. in the lie version he got it wrong and craven corrected him. in the true version he got it wrong and corrected it himself and craven was going to allow the pen to be taken even although he knew it wasn't a foul. the only person who benefited from the lie was craven. i'm no fan of mcdonald but why should he be forced out for telling a lie that had zero consequences. during that game lennon stood on the touchline frothing at the mouth shouting "fucking cheat" and was running about like a maniac. is it any wonder mcdonald wanted to take the easy way out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-in-Oz Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 he didn't blame anyone else. in the lie version he got it wrong and craven corrected him. in the true version he got it wrong and corrected it himself and craven was going to allow the pen to be taken even although he knew it wasn't a foul. the only person who benefited from the lie was craven. i'm no fan of mcdonald but why should he be forced out for telling a lie that had zero consequences. during that game lennon stood on the touchline frothing at the mouth shouting "fucking cheat" and was running about like a maniac. is it any wonder mcdonald wanted to take the easy way out? If the lie had zero consequences then why is Craven out of a job? The bottom line is an official in a game of sport lied therefore bringing the game into disrepute and should therefore be shown the door. Too many people saying he shouldn't go because then Celtic win. It had nothing to do with Celtic it's about an official bringing the game into disrepute & there should be nowhere back from there. As for the Ginger tit he should be dragged to Siberia & told to cool his jets coz he's seriously lost the plot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Can the club and others who will be effected by the strike should it go ahead not sue the SFA AND the Refs Association for loss of earnings? I can see lawyers gathering here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 The begining of the end.... http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/ho...re-wipeout.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Former Hibernian and Falkirk boss John Hughes believes the credibility of Scottish football is at stake if referees carry through proposed strike action. Hughes, said: "I'm hoping it doesn't go as far as that because it will make us the laughing stock of world football and we have to be promoting the Scottish game. "It's about getting everyone together in the same room for the best of Scottish football, so you can see everyone's point of view." Hughes, who lost his job as Hibs boss last month, added: "The game is in a little bit of chaos. It needs bringing together and I sympathise with the referees because they do get a hard time. "But managers are also open to criticism, that is part and parcel of the job. "Referees need to be accountable and there has to be more transparency in what goes on behind the doors at Hampden. "But one thing I will say, if referees are getting phone calls to their home or work place, or their kids are getting a hard time at school, then that is not on, that is way below the belt. "After all, it is just a sport." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
another number Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Sorry if I've missed this but what is it the referees want to happen to call off the strike action? I think the chances of Celtic issuing an apology is slim but is that even what they're looking for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Sorry if I've missed this but what is it the referees want to happen to call off the strike action? I think the chances of Celtic issuing an apology is slim but is that even what they're looking for? Thats my question exactly. What exactly do they want? The SFA is in no position to guarantee club officials' actions or behaviour, and certainly not those from Celtic. If the stike does go ahead, attendances will also drop drastically I'd imagine. Many fans will not want to strike break, irrespective of whether the action is legal or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
another number Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 thanks - I was starting to think I'd just missed the point. No doubt attendances will be down. I wouldn't feel at all comfortable crossing a picket to get to the match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Thats my question exactly. What exactly do they want? The SFA is in no position to guarantee club officials' actions or behaviour, and certainly not those from Celtic. If the stike does go ahead, attendances will also drop drastically I'd imagine. Many fans will not want to strike break, irrespective of whether the action is legal or not. I think that the refs want the SFA to do what they should have done weeks ago and take a firm stance against clubs and players ( ie celtic ) who have been calling them cheats and biased etc. We have had no meaningful statements from any of the Fuds on the SFA executive or from the invisible man that is the chief executive. They had the power to resolve this issue and they have done nothing about it, they are Sh*t scared of upsetting Celtic, so they let them get away with doing what they like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Thats my question exactly. What exactly do they want? The SFA is in no position to guarantee club officials' actions or behaviour, and certainly not those from Celtic. If the stike does go ahead, attendances will also drop drastically I'd imagine. Many fans will not want to strike break, irrespective of whether the action is legal or not. Strike break you say? Much as I'm from a Labour background I'd happily break the fuckers strike, get a few lads down to the picket lines and sort the fuckers out. They'll happily to go back to idle threats from illiterate Rattlers once we're finished with them. Wee bit retribution for pissing us all off for so many years. :wank: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn_Broomfield Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Irish refs coming in to make sure the weekend fixtures go ahead. This could be an even bigger can of worms, just imagine what both sets of fans from the ugly sisters must be thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Is Maloney moaning that "the ref was dying to give a free kick to Dundee Utd"?!?!?! Surely he is having a laugh?!?!!?!? That should've been a booking aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Irish refs coming in to make sure the weekend fixtures go ahead. This could be an even bigger can of worms, just imagine what both sets of fans from the ugly sisters must be thinking. Wonder if John Reid is still looking for them to declare their allegiance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modernist Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Decent podcast fae Sportsound last night Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted November 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I'm getting a bit pissed of with the way this is becoming a battle between Celtic and ref's. Celtic may have made a lot of noise about it but so did a few other clubs and managers. Also John Reid has got a brass neck saying people who get caught lying should resign, found any WMD in Iraq John? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East_Stand_Al Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 It seems some people have a moral issue with going to the gameif it goes ahead ,viewing it as "Strike breaking". For clarity its not a strike in the way we view them such as the miners or the fire fighters strikes, these guys are self employed and have taken a collective decision to not be available for this weekend. On a normal weekend not every Ref or Assistant is available hence why they have such big pool of them, all thats happening is they have all agreed not to be available thus showing that "you can't have your game without us", however the SFA have a contract to provide referee cover to the SPL & SFL so therefore the SFA have to bring in outside refs. There won't be a picket line as the Referees Union thats being referred to was no more than a meeting of most of the category 1 refs. I'm a dyed in the wool socialist and if the game is on I'll be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 if they bring foriegn refs this weekend i hope every ref quits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 If the stike does go ahead, attendances will also drop drastically I'd imagine. Many fans will not want to strike break, irrespective of whether the action is legal or not. Personally I'd be making the extra effort to go along (if I could) for the novelty value! Couldn't really give a monkeys about their strike, as long as the games are still on and being refereed by somebody to an adequate standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East_Stand_Al Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Personally I'd be making the extra effort to go along (if I could) for the novelty value! Couldn't really give a monkeys about their strike, as long as the games are still on and being refereed by somebody to an adequate standard. Which would make a refreshing change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 If the lie had zero consequences then why is Craven out of a job? The bottom line is an official in a game of sport lied therefore bringing the game into disrepute and should therefore be shown the door. Too many people saying he shouldn't go because then Celtic win. It had nothing to do with Celtic it's about an official bringing the game into disrepute & there should be nowhere back from there. As for the Ginger tit he should be dragged to Siberia & told to cool his jets coz he's seriously lost the plot. If you don't think it has anything to do with Celtic then you need to catch up with the media frenzy Lennon and Reid have been stirring up. That is one of the reasons Craven quit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I'm getting a bit pissed of with the way this is becoming a battle between Celtic and ref's. Celtic may have made a lot of noise about it but so did a few other clubs and managers. Clubs and managers make noise about refs every week, it's part of the game and always will be. However, Lennon/Reid/Celtic have come out and actually questioned the refs integrity. They aren't just criticising their performances, they are calling them cheats. None of the other clubs in the SPL, to my knowledge, have made anything like those kinds of accusations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Clubs and managers make noise about refs every week, it's part of the game and always will be. However, Lennon/Reid/Celtic have come out and actually questioned the refs integrity. They aren't just criticising their performances, they are calling them cheats. None of the other clubs in the SPL, to my knowledge, have made anything like those kinds of accusations. romanov did but the difference is that the hearts fans had the intelligence to see him for the joker he is and no one took him seriously. celtic fans have a history of attacks on refs and players yet reid and lennon continue to whip them further into frenzy and give the professional agitators the ammunition they need. if the new guy at the sfa has any balls he should sit them down and tell them that mcdonald has been dealth with and the issue is dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 However, Lennon/Reid/Celtic have come out and actually questioned the refs integrity. They aren't just criticising their performances, they are calling them cheats. None of the other clubs in the SPL, to my knowledge, have made anything like those kinds of accusations. It wasn’t just Lennon and Reid, Peter Houston claimed after the game that Dougie McDonald was conspiring against his team. If that’s not questioning a referee’s integrity I don’t know what is. "Dougie couldn't get his finger to the spot quickly enough. It's not the first he has given against us," the manager told the BBC....Dougie McDonald conspires to try to give a penalty against us. Then it transpires that it is not a penalty. What has happened there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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