Special aka Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 ................Who is the preferred candidate now? McCall? Please God no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 You good at the revisionism yourself, exactly what do you base your faith in Gannon on? A few mouthy statements from Gannon and not a whole lot else. Barring the general lack of home support and money we are in better shape now than when Gannon walked out. Still fairly perilous but turn aroundable. Any issues over youth development should be laid at Youngs door not Broons! Unlike most on here. Football on the deck Absolute faith on youth A long term strategy - which included generating money from sale of players. development of young players through first team experience. Absolutely ruthless handling of old fuds who coundnae pass a ball on the deck if their life depended on it. Challenging bad ref decisions - instead of patting the c***s on the back The improvement in reynolds, hutchison, forbes, mchugh, (slane), saunders, hateley - all have by and large stalled under brown Craig Brown inherited a decent situation from Gannon - only problem was the unrest caused by the auld fuds / houswives favourites. Which in his defence he turned round quickly. However in terms of long term strategy he set about the foundations with a sledgehammer from the inside. The job that Gannon did following McGhee's mess was astonishing. Some folk at the club should be ashamed of theirselves for the 'revisionism' about Gannon's term in charge. thankfully a few of us on here can generally see through the bullshit - we were heading somewhere (if we'd have had the stomach for it). Now we need someone to come in and do exactly what Gannon did. Exactly what Gannon did Hopefully the first thing any new guy does is carry out what he was trying to do and weed out the folk that are causing us to tread water. onwards and upwards cmon the Well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky79 Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 -A team that were trying to play the ball on the ground from the back forward.-The young players Forbes, Saunders, Hutchison, Murphy showing promise and in some cases having the best spells of their careers to date -some really strong signings tha has seen us through 2010 (do you remember the summer 0f 09). - A reasonably strong league position that but for a poor December would have been much stronger (pretty much exactly where we are now) - A vision of how teams like Motherwell should move forward in the future - A team riding top of the fair play league. Apart from that, you are right, not a whole lot else. How are we in a stronger position now btw? A team that couldn't play the ball on the ground from back to forward regardless of unwanted senior players playing or not that was gifting cheap goals as soon as opponents sussed out we wouldn't compromise. We have young players like Murphy and Saunders playing regular and arguably playing as well as they ever have. though in Saunders case as before very up and down. Forbes was playing terrible before Gannon moved on and Hutchison has had injury problems. A reasonable start but what was it 10 games without a win? Currently we've had 4 and 2 of them have been without a manager. A vision we would have to realise from the first division most likely. A manager that wanted to chuck the baby out with the bathwater. For a good look at a how a good manager can have a vision but has the sense to work at it bit by bit look at Owen Coyle and Bolton. Hasn't binned every experienced pro but has gradually changed Bolton into quite an attractive team and is currently doing rather well. A team that won the fair play league the season before! I have no objection to Gannon wanting to be imaginative and trynew things but every tangible pieve of evidence suggests despite a decent eye for a player he was a bit of a dick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 A vision we would have to realise from the first division most likely. Relegation? You've bought the bullshit totally then. We lost a few games and slipped to 5th, hardly relegation material, don't forget the run of defeats we had included only 1 to a team below us in the league. Stats can be dressed any way you like but we were nowhere near relegation candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 How many fanny's basiclly run out of anything decent to counter the argument with and end with - he was a bit of a dick, he was an arsehole. Excellent stuff lads - how many football managers could you NOT level that at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Excellent stuff lads - how many football managers could you NOT level that at? True. One of the greats Brian Clough was not universally liked by all the players and directors but he got the job done. “If a player disagrees with me, I talk to him for 20 minutes, then we agree that I was right.”Brian Clough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Does it really matter who we get as the new manager, you could find a fault with every single applicant for the job, and judging by the responses on this thread most of them have been slated in one form or another. The club needs stabillity, and organisation, the new manager needs to develop the resources we have and forget about having any cash to spend, in that respect he will be no different from the majority of the other SPL clubs. I really think that John Boyle should be going for a safe pair of hands midway through a season, and forget about trying to appoint a "surprise candidate" or unearth the next Jose Mourhino. Would it really be so bad to get A jimmy Calderwood, John Hughes, Gus McPherson or even the "son of Satan " himself McGhee. Their previous records are irrelevant, its how they develop the team and where we finish up at the end of the season that counts. If we can have another good season finishing top 6, and maybe challenging for 3rd or 4th and a European place, then we can move forward from there, thats when the new man will be judged. I would rather have someone in the job who wants it and will put in the hard work and stay long term rather than a manager who's only qualification is their name on the CV and who will jump ship the next time a bigger job comes up. IMHO get the 2 jimmy's in and lets start stabilising the team and getting back to winning ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 IMHO get the 2 jimmy's in and lets start stabilising the team and getting back to winning ways. That would be my choice, at least you would know what to expect and in my opinion our top six place would be all but secured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 In his first years at Motherwell McLean had no cash whatsoever e.g selling Mauchlin and McAllister just to keep the club afloat. Anyway its not going to happen weeyin .He still had more of a budget to spend when he was boss than he would see a second time around -both for wages on guys like Cooper, Russell etc. and on transfers. The reason he left, as I recall, was at least partially due to board not wishing to finance his plans to enhance the squad. Not a great indicator of someone who wants to work with no funds. I agree though - he won't be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 To be fair if we had to get someone from the merry-go-round then Calderwood would be my pick too. However, the board prefer an unknown (to the SPL) with contacts/knowledge that the rest of the SPL managers don't have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modernist Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Unlike most on here. Football on the deck Absolute faith on youth A long term strategy - which included generating money from sale of players. development of young players through first team experience. Absolutely ruthless handling of old fuds who coundnae pass a ball on the deck if their life depended on it. Challenging bad ref decisions - instead of patting the c***s on the back The improvement in reynolds, hutchison, forbes, mchugh, (slane), saunders, hateley - all have by and large stalled under brown Craig Brown inherited a decent situation from Gannon - only problem was the unrest caused by the auld fuds / houswives favourites. Which in his defence he turned round quickly. However in terms of long term strategy he set about the foundations with a sledgehammer from the inside. The job that Gannon did following McGhee's mess was astonishing. Some folk at the club should be ashamed of theirselves for the 'revisionism' about Gannon's term in charge. thankfully a few of us on here can generally see through the bullshit - we were heading somewhere (if we'd have had the stomach for it). Now we need someone to come in and do exactly what Gannon did. Exactly what Gannon did Hopefully the first thing any new guy does is carry out what he was trying to do and weed out the folk that are causing us to tread water. onwards and upwards cmon the Well Plus 1 or 2 or 3 ect........ Good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postiejim Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Perhaps some of the footballing gurus could enlighten me ,what club is the visionary Gannon plying his trade with at present ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_nuts Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 hes not in a job at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim64 Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Given our recent history of managers whoorin themselves around could we maybe just get one who,ll stay and not disappear at the first show of some cash! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modernist Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Perhaps some of the footballing gurus could enlighten me ,what club is the visionary Gannon plying his trade with at present ? No one at present. Why ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modernist Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Given our recent history of managers whoorin themselves around could we maybe just get one who,ll stay and not disappear at the first show of some cash! Take it you'll be speaking about McGhee & Liar Liar then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 The job that Gannon did following McGhee's mess was astonishing. Some folk at the club should be ashamed of theirselves for the 'revisionism' about Gannon's term in charge. 110% agree with you! I would have the great man back right now! Anyone who thinks we were ready for relegation with Gannon is out of their mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 For those that would take Jimmy Calderwood, bear in mind that Sandy Clark would more than likely be his number 2. Jimmy Nicholl is at Cowdenbeath these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 I bet the Aberdeen board cannae wait to see who we appoint, as he’ll be the next in line when Broon gets the tin tack. We need to remember this is an important decision for us and Aberdeen. Is Stewart Milne overseeing the interviews? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastStandWellFan Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Latest from Scott Burns is that Scott Leitch has spoken to John Boyle, but not about the manager's position. According to Burns, Leitch would jump at the chance to take over from Brown but the club need to make the approach. Watch this space? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Woah there. Don't even start that rumour. I'd HATE, absolutely DETEST seeing him back as a number 2 nevermind as gaffer. I'd imagine (although I'm convinced it won't happen) that such an appointment would have some people refusing to go back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 I've never understood the Leitch wankfest. I thought he was shite as a player when he was here too. Very good at the Craigan-esque passion, but I always felt it covered for the fact that he was a bit crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickoza Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 We cannot afford an untried man at the helm. Made that mistake big-time in the past, cannot afford to do it again under any circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk2205 Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Woah there. Don't even start that rumour. I'd HATE, absolutely DETEST seeing him back as a number 2 nevermind as gaffer. I'd imagine (although I'm convinced it won't happen) that such an appointment would have some people refusing to go back. Yip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaag Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 i disagree entirely. I like Leitch and he was a wonderful servant for this club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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