LadywellToi Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 There has been an undercurrent of malaise and apathy from many in the appointment of our new boss, I feel some wouldn't have been happy unless Gus Hiddink or Mourinho stepped into the breach. We have Stuart McCall, he ticked all the boxes (or at least most of them), he is now at his second club since hanging up his boots, God knows how many managers started off with us, had indifferent spells and now are considered hot property (Davies, McLeish). Just to put things in perspective, here is how Stuart has performed in his first month compared with others: McGhee St Mirren 0-1 Motherwell - WIN Motherwell 2-1 Inverness CT - WIN Motherwell 1-2 Kilmarnock - LOSS Gretna 1-2 Motherwell - WIN Motherwell 3-1 Raith - WIN Motherwell 0-2 Hearts - LOSS 9 points in the league from the bottom 3 sides (one game being away but actually at home), progression to CIS next round. Brown and Knox Kilmarnock 0-3 Motherwell - WIN Inverness CT 2-0 Motherwell - LOSS Motherwell 2-0 St Mirren - WIN Falkirk 0-0 Motherwell - DRAW Aberdeen 0-3 Motherwell - WIN Motherwell 1-0 Hamilton - WIN 13 points in the league, out the Scottish Cup at first hurdle. No players leaving in Jan other than McGarry who was a fringe player. McCall Hamilton 0-0 Motherwell - DRAW Dundee 0-4 Motherwell - WIN Dundee Utd 2-0 Motherwell - LOSS Motherwell 0-0 Inverness CT - DRAW Motherwell 2-0 Hibernian - WIN St Johnstone 1-0 Motherwell - LOSS 5 points in the league, good chance of Scottish Cup quarter final (granted we've had a favourable draw), 3 starters and 1 fringe player leave the team. At present I see us taking 5th from Inverness in the next game or so but overtaken by Dundee as they have 4 or so on us, which retains 6th and the extra revenues. This doesn't take account of the resurgence or other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 So you're asking for a bit of balance by showing us how demonstrably bad his early record is compared to that of our last two managers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadywellToi Posted January 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Aye that's it, you hit the nail on the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottW1886 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 And missing out the record of a manager between McGhee and Brown altogether?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadywellToi Posted January 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I just selected a few, I could of course listed Malpas, Black, Gannon and Butcher but time is precious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Also worth noting that the Kilmarnock result in McGhee's first six is a bit of a red herring as well, we played pretty well but got absolutely mugged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Cluching at straws with this. The omission of Gannon's statistics from the list above suggests you are spinning the figures a bit ( I know that is not what you were trying to do). I think it is good to see someone trying to rally the troops in this way but even if the figures were good (which they are not) the standard of performance at these times would have to be concidered. Under McGhee, Gannon and Brown you could see their influence on the park. But for the Dundee game, the standard under McCall has been terrible and there is no real sign of this changing. We can only hope that a performance tomorrow might spark the team back into life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Cluching at straws with this. The omission of Gannon's statistics from the list above suggests you are spinning the figures a bit ( I know that is not what you were trying to do). I think it is good to see someone trying to rally the troops in this way but even if the figures were good (which they are not) the standard of performance at these times would have to be concidered. Under McGhee, Gannon and Brown you could see their influence on the park. But for the Dundee game, the standard under McCall has been terrible and there is no real sign of this changing. We can only hope that a performance tomorrow might spark the team back into life. Gannon won 3 out of this first 12 games, and that's if you include a extra time victory over then first division ICT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLip69 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I'm not quite sure what you are trying to do here, at first I thought you were offering some support for McCall but by the end I wasn't certain that was the case. McCall's record may not be as favourable as the ones you used in comparison but he has had much less to work with than either McGhee or the other twats. Can you please stop from classing him in with Davies and McLeish who got their first starts in management at Fir Park, this is not McCall's first foray into management, he has a track record and it's abysmal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 this is not McCall's first foray into management, he has a track record and it's abysmal. You seem to be in a minority of one with the abysmal chat. Many doubters certainly but none so set that we're doomed just hours into his reign. Not the first time you've come away with abysmal track record though. Fair enough you clearly hold McCall in much the same esteem as Canterbury and Leeann Dempster - not sure if there any other apparent irrational dislikes going on, but I'm curious to see you expand in a little depth as to how you've formed that conclusion. Granted he didn't get Bradford promoted in his time there, but no relegations or no Alex Smith Stirling Albion style fourteen games without a game etc. Just curious to see what your first hand experience is of McCall and what constitutes abysmal in your eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEWELL Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Im not making any judgement on McCall yet lets see if he can get one or two front players in tommorow's window cos we're seriously lacking up front. In our last 3 games not one of our forwards has scored which is a worry and Murphy didn't touch that Hammell free kick against Hibs i was in line with it in the POD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcol Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Fair enough you clearly hold McCall in as much esteem as Canterbury and Leeann Dempster Don't see the relevance in comparing the 2 with Leeann Dempster. I think she does the job she is paid to do, well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 A typo on my part bigcol. The Lip69 has been a big critic of Leeann Dempster and Canterbury in the past and seems like McCall is viewed in much the same bracket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claretbandonambershirt Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Let's be realistic. McCall was not the first choice and his track record isn't very good, which doesn't really auger well in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky79 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I'm not quite sure what you are trying to do here, at first I thought you were offering some support for McCall but by the end I wasn't certain that was the case. McCall's record may not be as favourable as the ones you used in comparison but he has had much less to work with than either McGhee or the other twats. Can you please stop from classing him in with Davies and McLeish who got their first starts in management at Fir Park, this is not McCall's first foray into management, he has a track record and it's abysmal. Sorry but they are perfectly valid comparisons, managers who's first foray were largely abysmal. Just so happens McCall was abysmal elsewhere so I hope to fuck he can copy those two and do a better job for us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLip69 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 You seem to be in a minority of one with the abysmal chat. Many doubters certainly but none so set that we're doomed just hours into his reign. Not the first time you've come away with abysmal track record though. Fair enough you clearly hold McCall in much the same esteem as Canterbury and Leeann Dempster - not sure if there any other apparent irrational dislikes going on, but I'm curious to see you expand in a little depth as to how you've formed that conclusion. Granted he didn't get Bradford promoted in his time there, but no relegations or no Alex Smith Stirling Albion style fourteen games without a game etc. Just curious to see what your first hand experience is of McCall and what constitutes abysmal in your eyes. I dont have much time for people who plaster themselves all over this board shouting the odds about sponsorship deals making us the envy of supporters all over Scotland, then when the deal falls through disappears and fails to give any explanations. I said the minute we signed with Canterbury that I wopuldn't have touched them with a barge pole and that the product, from experience, was shit. Within days there were complaints about the jerseys and within months they'd went under. If I remember correctly McCall took over Bradford just before they got relegated to Division two. he spent two seasons with them in Division two and they finished in mid table in both of his seasons there. Bradford are, arguably, the biggest club in that division, they get two or three times the crowd of most of the other clubs, there is scope there but McCall didn't make a difference. He never stamped his mark on the side, he never had them play in any certain way, he never improved the side either by his tactics or his signings. HE DIDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. So why, for the love of God, does anyone think he will with us? I dont go along with this Powerpoint presentation pish about ticking all the boxes, give me somebody with a track record for galvanising players and revitalising a team over a box ticker any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLip69 Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Sorry but they are perfectly valid comparisons, managers who's first foray were largely abysmal. Just so happens McCall was abysmal elsewhere so I hope to fuck he can copy those two and do a better job for us! I yeild to no-one in my dislike of McLeish but the fact is Motherwell acheived their highest league position (2nd) since Sailor Hunter was manager. Granted the wheels came off the barrow the following season when he broke up McLeans side and started to rebuild, but he was headhunted by Hibs not sacked. There were still some people at Fir Park who believed he could turn it round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Gannon won 3 out of this first 12 games, and that's if you include a extra time victory over then first division ICT. Again that is not painting the full picture. I don't have the stats but from memory many of those 12 games were draws, Motherwell were aiming to play football from the back, some of the young players were playing their best spells in Well jerseys to date and one of those draws was against Rangers when but for a late penatly miss, the team would have won. The Gannon argument has been flogged to death but when commenting on any of our previous managers it would be nice if people did not cherry pick statistics. Actually, now I think about it, what were the three, I remember Llannelli, Flamurtari, Kilmarnock, Dundee Utd and ICT. Is that 3 games stat even right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddmustgo Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 If I remember correctly McCall took over Bradford just before they got relegated to Division two. he spent two seasons with them in Division two and they finished in mid table in both of his seasons there. Bradford are, arguably, the biggest club in that division, they get two or three times the crowd of most of the other clubs, there is scope there but McCall didn't make a difference. He never stamped his mark on the side, he never had them play in any certain way, he never improved the side either by his tactics or his signings. HE DIDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. So why, for the love of God, does anyone think he will with us? Hi all Bradford fan here in peace, McCall wasn't in charge when we dropped into Division 2, Colin Todd was sacked after 2 wins in something like 18 games & replaced by caretaker manager David Wetherall who couldn't halt the slide. The crowds are impressive for 4th Division football but one of the main reasons is the season tickets are/were dirt cheap (You could buy an adult season ticket for £100 ish). In his first season in charge we finished a dissappointing 10th (big spenders MK Dons & Peterboro filled the top 2 positions), his 2nd season started very very well playing some great football with 2 out & out wingers on top of their game, a run of 9 games without a win in March/April saw us drop out of the play-off places in the end finishing 2 points off 7th. McCall had threatened to quit if we did not make the play-offs but supporter power made him stay on, however failure to make the play-offs cost the club £250k and the budget was slashed by 40%, McCall took the same pay cut. All the high earners were released & unsurprisingly last season was a struggle (it was rumoured that a joint chairman didn't speak to SMc for weeks), bad refereeing decisions and down right bad luck took there toll and Stuart walked away. Just look at the job Peter Taylor is doing this season with the same budget & you'll see what a tough job Bradford City manager really is. Having watched the game today I think if Stuart can get the same level of performance out of the players every week you'll finish in the top six for sure but every manager needs time to bring in the right players and impose his playing style on the side, next season will be the time to judge not after 6/7 games. I notice he's signed Steve Jones for you, he had some good games for us & can play up front or wide right, he's not going to score loads of goals but he always gave 100%. Good luck for the rest of the season, I'm still hoping to visit Fir Park before the season ends to take in a game, All the Best. D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEWELL Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Im starting to go off Stuart McCall now and not getting a striker on loan during the last day of the window has fecked our chances of a top 6 spot. I reckon our goals for tally between now and May will be crap. I dont think he did well at all at Bradford and frankly he's a coach and not a manager and his appointment of Kenny Black as his number 2 is pants. So we've now got a poor management team at the helm. 10th place in the SPL beckons and im just glad that Hibs and Accies are crap or we'd be in bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Im starting to go off Stuart McCall now and not getting a striker on loan during the last day of the window has fecked our chances of a top 6 spot. I reckon our goals for tally between now and May will be crap. I dont think he did well at all at Bradford and frankly he's a coach and not a manager and his appointment of Kenny Black as his number 2 is pants. So we've now got a poor management team at the helm. 10th place in the SPL beckons and im just glad that Hibs and Accies are crap or we'd be in bother. This is getting boring now. Who would you have signed? Anyone just for the sake of pleasing the fans ? Like another Casagolda fraud? Plucking strikers out of the air anytime is difficult never mind in the middle of January when you have fuck all money available. If you want big strikers go to Stamford Bridge and Anfield. We are bloody skint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEWELL Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 £100000 for Reynolds £175000 for the league cup semi and £60000 for the Dundee cup game and hopefully if we get past Stranraer another cup payday and freeing up the wages of Reynolds. Blackman. Gow and Fitzpatrick SURELY we had the means to get ONE striker in . The boring thing now is the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 £100000 for Reynolds £175000 for the league cup semi and £60000 for the Dundee cup game and hopefully if we get past Stranraer another cup payday and freeing up the wages of Reynolds. Blackman. Gow and Fitzpatrick SURELY we had the means to get ONE striker in . The boring thing now is the rest of the season. That money is fuck all when trying to sign a decent striker in this window. Nobody is going to sell a decent striker for 100000 quid. We tried and for a stupid 30 odd minutes the deal fell through because it is a stupid rule. I like the fact that he didn't panic. And by the way how many threads do you need to slate McCall? We get that you don't like him and will never accept him but can you limit it to 1 thread please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 £100000 for Reynolds £175000 for the league cup semi and £60000 for the Dundee cup game and hopefully if we get past Stranraer another cup payday and freeing up the wages of Reynolds. Blackman. Gow and Fitzpatrick SURELY we had the means to get ONE striker in . The boring thing now is the rest of the season. Which striker, for how long, and for how much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 That money is fuck all when trying to sign a decent striker in this window. Nobody is going to sell a decent striker for 100000 quid. We tried and for a stupid 30 odd minutes the deal fell through because it is a stupid rule. I like the fact that he didn't panic. And by the way how many threads do you need to slate McCall? We get that you don't like him and will never accept him but can you limit it to 1 thread please? Thing is, if we did sign a striker last minute half the people on here would have said it was a "panic buy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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