Special aka Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Are MFC off to Austria again this year ? If yes, would this be affected by euro qualification ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 'Flow Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Do the SFA/SPL tell the clubs after each game what the Fair Play table currently is? Frustratingly enough, no, they don't... Which is why Mark McGhee and Co. are in the dark as much as the fans about our chances. We're only going on the whispers we've been told! Apparently we'll know on the Tuesday / Wednesday after the Killie game! 'Flow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Are MFC off to Austria again this year ? If yes, would this be affected by euro qualification ?I read an interview with McGhee a few days ago where he said they were looking at various options in Germany and Austria for pre-season, but they would have to rethink those plans if they do get into Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweed Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Make that seven (yes, Seven) booked Ricky! 'Flow BBC and Sporting Life both say five (yes only five) guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_nuts Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Sky has them at 5 yellows today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Frustratingly enough, no, they don't... Which is why Mark McGhee and Co. are in the dark as much as the fans about our chances. We're only going on the whispers we've been told! I find it absolutely incredible (though sadly, not surprising) that the SFA can't make it clear to clubs what the situation is. Fair enough if they don't want to make it public, but why keep it secret from the participants themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postiejim Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I'm not to sure about this guys i wouldn't be surprised if they gave the spot to a big city club ,lets say perhaps Hibs .Hope I'm wrong but this is the S.F.A remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC'd Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 BBC and Sporting Life both say five (yes only five) guys. Everywhere it seems have claimed it to be 5. But, Crocker claimed that it was 6 booked for Hibs, just prior to Riordan getting booked in the last minute for kicking the ball away. So, if he was originally right then it would indeed be 7 carded. Either way, I am sure the SFA/SPL issue fines for clubs that receive 5+ bookings in a match. So, either way this would ensure harm to their Fair Play bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I find it absolutely incredible (though sadly, not surprising) that the SFA can't make it clear to clubs what the situation is. Fair enough if they don't want to make it public, but why keep it secret from the participants themselves?Because in end of the season situations like this it could affect the way teams play to the disadvantage of others directly involved in the relegation and title battles. Imagine the outcry if Hibs had gone out today and not tackled anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I'm not to sure about this guys i wouldn't be surprised if they gave the spot to a big city club ,lets say perhaps Hibs .Hope I'm wrong but this is the S.F.A remember. Totally agree Jim. It wouldn't surprise me if the eventual recipients of the place were "outsiders". The scoring system is very subjective and very much a black box process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 What benefit would be gained by the SFA for 'choosing' Hibs in front of us? If the answer is 'none' then why do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postiejim Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Hope yir right weeyin but as i say its the S.F.A. who knows why they do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweed Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 UEFA rules say it must be tracable how marks are given for all the different criteria so while I'm not saying Hibs won't beat us to it, I'm pretty sure if they do they will have met the criteria more than us and not because of some whim that they would rather have Hibs in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yir Elder Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 ....Mark McGhee and Co. are in the dark as much as the fans about our chances. We're only going on the whispers we've been told! Apparently we'll know on the Tuesday / Wednesday after the Killie game! 'Flow That will allow the powers that be to select who they want to represent Scotland in Europe, rather than who actually deserves it. Why else would it be kept secret from the clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLip69 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 What benefit would be gained by the SFA for 'choosing' Hibs in front of us? If the answer is 'none' then why do it? Apparently it is up to the League who they award the extra place to, and with the Fair Play league winners, Celtic, having already qualified they may choose to give it to the highest placed League club not qualified for Europe and ignore the runners up in the Fair Play League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I must be the only one who isn't excited about the prospect of Europe this way. Fair enough if the lure of Europe would be a way of attracting a better calibre of player, but that didn't happen last year. Any money that will be made (which probably won't be much) from a two legged tie against a team from the back of beyond won't be invested in the squad. I also worry a lack of pre-season will hamper the long term league aspirations. We did very well to get ourselves out the shite we were in at Christmas. If 99% of fans who are excited about Europe via this route are being honest with themselves, they're only interested in a swally in a foreign land. Nothing more. For the sake of that, I'd rather we were better prepared and focused for the season ahead. Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickoza Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Surely this would be mentioned in the rules? Besides, we will perhaps end up with more points than Hibs anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Apparently it is up to the League who they award the extra place to, and with the Fair Play league winners, Celtic, having already qualified they may choose to give it to the highest placed League club not qualified for Europe and ignore the runners up in the Fair Play League. How are Celtic the fair Play winners? They may well be - but the fact is that they now have more disciplinary points than the Well based on cards issued. I am not sure the SPL can award the place to anyone other than winners or runners up. In short their will be an audit trail. If we don't get the place now - it will stink to high heaven. Short of Motherwell fans invading the pitch and attacking killie players or getting 2 players sent off and 8 booked - I fail to see how we can miss out now without it being a fix. We were in pole position and Hibs have an extra 20+ yellow cards on us, yet have less points. St Mirren are our nearest challeners in the card stakes, but how with 12 less points and a shit load less goals scored could they have outscored us based on attacking play etc. Nah if we don't get it now - it must be a fix and I would expect a legal challenge to investigate why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaag Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 i would quite like a tie against an irish or welsh team, would take a good support and the travel wouldn't be so bad for fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Nah if we don't get it now - it must be a fix and I would expect a legal challenge to investigate why. I can't remember Scotland ever winning the Fair Play League before so I don't know but I would be shocked if the SFA were not forced to come out and show everyone why and how the club that gets the slot wins the Fair Play League. I am also sure, there might be a few challenges if certain things look amiss. Saying that, one month is not very long to challenge any decision made by the SFA. It is weird though Man City had a rough idea where they stood going into the last game of last season, yet Motherwell don't know where they stand going into our last game this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaag Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 killie got in through the fair play league did they not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweed Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 It is weird though Man City had a rough idea where they stood going into the last game of last season, yet Motherwell don't know where they stand going into our last game this season. I think Man CIty's performance in that game is reason enough for nobody to know. If Killie could still go down and we knew a yellow could cost us Europe then Killie would be seriously advantaged. As I said earlier it is in the rules that I may have read on this thread what needs to be considered and that any club can follow how the points are allocated at the end of the season. And if we don't get and put in a legal challenge I will be raging - I'd much rather we spent our time and money improving thesquad for net season. THe more I think of it our piss up is the main benefit of this damn thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deaddogman Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 That will allow the powers that be to select who they want to represent Scotland in Europe, rather than who actually deserves it. Why else would it be kept secret from the clubs? but UEFA state we ( Scotland) have a Fair Play Place so their rules state it must but the Highest placed team in the Fair Play league not already qualified for European Comps., so as we are (or were) 1st equal with Celtic in the last known table then the place will be ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deaddogman Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Apparently it is up to the League who they award the extra place to, and with the Fair Play league winners, Celtic, having already qualified they may choose to give it to the highest placed League club not qualified for Europe and ignore the runners up in the Fair Play League. As i said in my last post, UEFA have designated a place to Scotland as a Fair play entrant so only the best team in the fair play league not already qualified for Euro comps., will get the place and not the domestic league highest placed club not in Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I must be the only one who isn't excited about the prospect of Europe this way. If 99% of fans who are excited about Europe via this route are being honest with themselves, they're only interested in a swally in a foreign land. Nothing more. For the sake of that, I'd rather we were better prepared and focused for the season ahead. Personally I'm not fussed either way if I'm honest but that sums up Europe my friend, why else would anyone want to travel 4 or 5 hours for an away game when most can't be bothered with trips to Inverness or Aberdeen. The lure of somewhere new to get pished is for me the only attraction of Europe, not like we're going to win it is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.